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I understnad completely, and that is infact what the Scarlet gets used for. Its not mine, belongs to a friend who uses it with Pro-Tools for audio creation.
But, it is a decent option for a no-frills sub-$200 hardware level DAC and ADC, and it does do both roles to a great degree for what it is desiged and ratted to do.
I would even go so far as to admit that the noise floor is a bit better than on any of my hardware level cards, buyt only just bareley...
Meanwhile, there is, as you say, nothing ogin on behind the hood. You get very accurate sound and nothing more. Great for creation/consumtion if you are a pureist, but horible for games when comapred to a Soundblaster with CMSS-3D or Pro Studio Surround...
Sound Blasters are pretty much all crap except for the ZXR, which uses Nichicon gold audio caps and comes with a decent processor. Even that is kind of bogged down by EMR (the shielding doesn't do as much as you think it does) and couple other things.
A DAC IS superior to sound cards, you can get great stereo out of it. I can hear where the enemies are in the games I play very well, and I don't have a 5.1 setup. Just stereo. The fact of sound cards being able to offer 5.1 / 7.1 and such doesn't really hold its ground, because actual hi-fi and studio setups are generally stereo (that includes even headsets obviously).
Yes, it definitely can do the job, but it wasn't intended for it. It was intended to be used for a mobile audio interface. It is a good one, I'll say that. Which is why I have one. I wouldn't rely on one, but it is good to have one. But the fact is that it still wasn't the best choice for your DAC test, as it isn't a DAC.
As far as the whole simulated surround craze goes... I think it is silly. I've used many of these sound cards and I think they are a waste of PCI-E lanes. Doesn't really sound much different than the simulated surround that you can get via software, or even the built in spatial sound in Windows.
I guess to each their own. I can definantly notice a difference in 3D games, like to the point of being able to aim shots using nothing but sound. I dont play competitivly anymore, but I used to get accused regularly of wall hacks etc. just because I could hear the smallest details that people miss.
Once hip-fired on a guy who had me dead to rights in a blind spot, simply because he aimed his gun before shooting and I heard the sound of the riffle moving against his shirt as he shouldered it. Instinctivly turned and shot before he could kill me. He gave himself away by the sound of him aiming his gun... lol
Its a bit of a long video, so skip around a bit in it, but this is a great vid that shows the difference in brands of 3D audio, works best (read works at all) when using headphones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BxO9cd-sYA
Personally I think CMSS-3D was the best. SBX on my Z is nice, but I still wish I had a single PCI slot on my Z97 board just so I could keep rocking my X-Fi card... :(
Dont even get me started on missing the days of EAX....
Power up any EAX 5.0 HD game on Windows XP and prepare to be amazed. Game audio has gone backwards since the early 2000's. Hardware level EAX titles sound like 4K in comparison to todays games :(
You can go beyond that and say Aureal sound cards rocked in older games because there was Aureal3D before the newer iterations of EAX.
Heck, why not go back more and say 45 rpm records are the best thing ever? See where I'm heading? X-Fi cards are dead, I had an Auzen HT (best EAX card out there) and I sold it couple years ago. Not missing it either, drivers aren't there and my current DAC is nice.
Considering you are talking to someone who actualy has boxes of 45's and a vinyl archiver on my desk....
Also, X-Fi is far from dead. I have my Titanium card in my girlfriend PC (still had a PCI slot on the MB) and it works just fine. Has full windows 10 64 bit support and drivers, and as I already said, CMSS-3D is better, so in terms of sound, her PC still beats mine m(despite having a Z in there).
Old does not by any means equate to dead. And Aurreal was OK, but I always felt that EAX was prefferable, even if it meant the hassle of dealing with Creative drivers and support which have historically been crap.
X-Fi is far from dead? Take out your Creative mask, the chip hasn't been produced in ages and drivers were made by Daniel K for many of those cards, so official support hasn't been there.
I wasn't saying that simulated surround wasn't useful, but rather that the craze for it was silly.
All the simulations are basically the same. Making 6-8 channels into 2. That is about it. Anything else is merely simulated, and can be to the point of inaccuracy.
The only thing that should handle audio channel seperation is the audio engine in game or in source. If not, it is merely simulated. So, a simulated 3D sound in simulated 8 channels. You can just see where this can lead.. audio being filtered and filtered, again and again..
Dead?...
You can still buy them new (including on PCI-e)...
You can download official Creative drivers that are fully 64bit, Windows 10 compliant...
You can use them with full CMSS 3D and Driver support for any modern game on windows 10...
You can use DD-Live and DTS-Neo on them via TOSLINK, or do multichanel output...
From a usability standpoint, the only reason I am not still rocking my X-Fi card was that it was on PCI and my newer motherboard didnt have one, so after 1.5 years of hating my onboard I droped the cash on a PCI-e Z card ahd have been very happy. Both cards get used daily and the X-Fi is just as usbale now, and performs just as well as the Z card in every task I ask it to.
Arguably, the Titanium is a bit better, the sound recording software included with the X-Fi line is far supperior to the included software with the Z line (though both are infeior compared to third party).
Sadly dont have them anymore, but this is the solution to that....
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826502011
lolz
They were pretty damn decent...
EDIT: Incase you miss it by just reading the product title without checking specs, thats a full 5.1 surround sound headset, with seperate drivers for each chanel and a full anolouge 3.5mm plug set... lol
Tiny little speakers with no impact. I never like the idea of craming so many small speakers into such a small enclosure. Yes, true surround as far as speaker count, but it didn't quite work out that way. Exactly the reason why that trend came and gone very quickly.
If you believe that sounded good... I'm sorry, but I doubt everything that you believe to sound "good". Seriously, all of them true surround headsets were notorious for being very tinny. The 7.1 ones were usually even worse, since they had to have even smaller speakers to fit in the cups.
The Auzentech Home Theater HD I had, no longer had drivers available officially for it, for Windows 10. I needed the Daniel K set and they had issues.
I moved away from it to a Xonar card and wasn't let down by it. However, the current DAC I have has to be the best sound processor I have with its Wolfson chip (if I don't count my hi-fi CD player maybe).
That why I also suggest one with a built in Equalizer.
Yes, in general, the 5.1 headset market died specifically because of what you mention, the HPA2's were not part of that stereo type trend, and were infact one of the best options for a product of this kind.
Tiny speakers?...
How about 40mm front/back drivers and 30mm center/sub drivers. Sounds about right sized for cans. Most all cans on the market are in the 30-60mm range with 40mm being the most common and considered by many to be more than enough...
32 Ohms on the 40mm drivers and 16ohms on the 30mm drivers.
Heck, even if we jump up to Senheisers, they are still often in the 40-60mm range, with the HD 800's offering a 56mm driver and 40mm voice coil. Granted there is alont more to a senheiser than just paper specs, but lets be clear that the drivers in the HPA
No Impact?.. The Bass driver was specifically designed to provide punch, and did so though a novel feature of aucoustic vibrations. It was a weird effect. They did not have the best low frequency bass responce in the world, but you could litterally *feel* the bass, even if it was not very loud at all. One of the most awkward, but still imersive experiances I have had with a headset. Did it lack a heavy bass punch? yeh, but did I ever feel like I was lacking in bass? no. It was just an odd experiance, and not one I have found again with other headsets.
As to your final comment about "good" and how subjective it can be...
I never said they were good, I said they were decent, damn decent. And they were.
Did I have other headsets I preffered to use for Movies or Music, you bet I did. But for gaming, specifically and only, which is the sole purpose I purchased them, they were fantastic, and offered positional audio hands down better than anything I have ever gotten from a 2 chanel option.
I've tried a few pairs of these surround headsets. Many other reviews out there to match. Even physics is on my side... small speakers yield small output. When you push them, they get tinny.
Impact was meaning the overall sound, but yeah, bass was lacking on all the ones I tried. Not sure if I tried this exact model, but I tried a few of these kind of headsets, 5.1 and 7.1, and they all had the same story. I doubt this one pair was the one to change the game, especially considering that they still all died off.
Perhaps tiny was not the right word, but small is appropriate. 30mm is small, in comparison to the standard 40mm on lower end headsets/headphones, with 50mm or more being standard in higher end headphones. Regardless, they still all sounded tinny. Not enought power for all them speakers? Maybe. If so, a big design flaw.
The amount of ohms is merely the resistance. It isn't a measure of performance. It is sensitivity to power. The more ohms, the more power you need to run them. You can have more quality with higher ohms, but it is not a given, as it is more complex than that. In fact, lower ohms can be better for bass, as it is more sensitive to power and will hit harder. Everything with audio is a balancing act, with all specs being important. Not just specs, but also how they are implemented.
And considering that it is a Turtle Beach headset, they more than likely use some cheapo drivers and called it a day. I've never heard a good sounding anything from Turtle Beach. As far as I'm concerned, that is a toy brand for the children.
As far as for the positional stance, that could be debateable... but even then, the speakers in the cups are mere mm away from each other. Slightly better than simulation, at best, and far from a real surround configuration.
Well, it is nice to have an ASIO driver to help with latency when needed, but yeah even the good DAC/Amps have this as optional.
Yeah, a hardware (on device, external, can be digital or analog) EQ is at least better than a software (Windows, application) EQ.
Personally, I don't use any EQ ever. To change the quality of my listening, I change my listening hardware. EQ can introduce clipping (more than there already is in modern music) and can mess with the overall tone of speakers.
OK can you explain this part to me?
WTF is it and why do I need it?
I've never needed it before, ever. Unless that is something my audio driver has always just already had and I never knew about it.