Intel Whiskey Lake: Are you kidding me?

[Arya]

As title.

It's become clear that Intel's launch for Q3 2018 will be Whiskey Lake, a "new" 14Nm +++ "generation" and direct follow-on(read: exact the same as) to Coffeelake with only minor design changes.

And that leads me to wonder whether we're seeing the slow demise of Intel as a corporation. Cannonlake(10Nm) is now confirmed three years behind schedule. We don't know why, but insiders say there's a terrible problem with Yields, and the fact Intel hasn't managed to solve this within two years of work implies it's a fundamental design flaw and extremely difficult if not impossible to fix.

More worryingly for investors, Intel now seems to be getting desperate. Their press releases have become more and more vague and they've started deliberately trying to obfuscate the financial health of the company as a whole.

Given that and the fact they're limited to 14Nm for at least another 18 months, given Spectre, Meltdown and the terrible problems caused by Intel's response, I'm forced to question the company's financial future.

Obviously it won't disappear, it's much too big and much to important to the American government for that. But I"m left wondering who might buy a struggling Intel, if my predictions follow through and four-five years from now with 10Nm stillborn and 14Nm overtaken by AMD for gaming and work purposes.

[Monk]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hare+Guu!:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Monk:

the fixs for meltdown were largely blown out of proportion by people who didn't have the full facts as us usual.

The fix for spectre did more or less brick haswell and older systems. So it's actually worse. Can't run pc = 100% performance decrease.

Odd my 3570k and 4790k seem to be running just as good as always, after the windows patch to fix the issue, also, isn't spectre for AMD mostly and needs direct contact with the pc?

[ER]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Monk:

Diposting pertama kali oleh John Doe:

It might be the same process size without shrinking, but better performance and more cores will ultimately deliver more. I'm happy with my 7820, granted that I paid quite a bit for it, but it does show its brute force over my old 6800K when it comes to benchmarks.

Yeah,if Intel start soldering their heat-spreaders again their x299 chips have clearly proven you can run high core count chips at crazy speeds, adding cores is easier and cheaper than shrinking anyway and has much better prospects for added performance once utilised over a die shrink and a tiny bit higher clock speeds.

Once things like does 7820x and my 7900x become mainstream at clocks of 5GHz, well all be better served by 10 core + choosing the of 6 cores at 200MHz increase with a 10% IPC gain.

Today delidding can be done somewhat safely even on the beast 7980XE and achive somewhat better thermals as in 5-15 c lower or better temps if you use liquid metal under the IHS. Better yet go oldschool(for us that was around in that time when youy could crush a cpu) and not use the IHS at all with the brackets by debauer for the X299 platform that make the cooler sit at the correct height. Sadly it today dont support monoblocks to get best performance of CPU and VRM. I expect at least 4.5GHz of my new 7900X, 5GHz would be to mutch to ask for some time with or without IHS. Perhaps going chilled water or subzero colling will do it but not for 24/7 use on air/water.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wolfie:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Big Boom Boom:

Whiskey lake is for mobile, coffee lake is still on table.

Coffee...table?

Well, I guess now I just wait for Volta to launch and tape a 2080Ti to a Coffeelake i7K. Clearly not going to be obsolete for a while.

We will know in March at GTC if rumor of no Volta is true or not. Rumor is Ampere replace Pascal at consumercards as Volta is to expensive.

[DonJuanDoja]

Yea it's just more media sensationalism. Anything for a story.

Intel and their investors are not worried at all. They are winning. Are you?

[Monk]

ER, 4.5 is pretty average if your under water and delidding the 7900x, mine is normally running at 4.8GHz no issues at all at 1.29v, currently it's sitting at 5GHz at 1.37v both with the cache OCD to 3200 and the cores usually sit around 70-90 during stress testing (with the odd spike only noticeable if you are actively monitoring max reached to 100 ish on one or two cores but it's never anywhere near that in actual use)

[John Doe]

Yeah, the max temp limit you can set is around 105 I believe. It might throttle or shutdown when it hits that number. Thankfully I've never seen 100 on mine, even on Prime95. But then again, I'm not pushing mine that much.

[Monk]

Yeah I only know due to monitoring it on hardware monitor, it seems to occasionally spike for a millisecond during initial loading, not enough to throttle, interestingly it shows it's hit a max speed of 5.1GHz heh, though I'm not sure if I am brave enough to try and dial that in as an actual clock, I will probably drop the clocks back to 4.8 once I am done with my bench marking, it doesn't really need to be at 5GHz and in actual use has pretty much no impact, but, for benching, it finally got me into the fire strike hall of fame top 100 (92nd place at the time), but the temps under a monoblock are at a level I would be fine with running 24/7 to be honest, but the power draw at this level of overclocking is getting a little silly at around 1000w, the 700-800 it normally pulls is much nicer lol

[Viper]

Sorry but Intel is doing just fine. Intel is still the favored CPU. As far as what people are purchsing nowadays for example I7 -8700k is on the top of the list for perfomance.

[igloosfolly]

Intel showed 4% growth last year . In the real world that means time to work on resume. The average consumer could care less if it is blue or red as long as it is on sale at a big box store. For the stock market buyer more money was made on red futures than blue last year. If you dont care about 10 more FPS AMD has always been the better deal a lot better deal.

[Monk]

Apart from when AMD shares plummeted from $15 to $10 ... But yes overall AMD showed some great growth over the past year, it paid for my 1080ti's :)

[Bad 💀 Motha]

It's why I went with AMD for CPUs.
There is nothing wrong with Ryzen or ThreadRipper.
This CPU bug will never get fixed, and force folks who want a better base-line of performance to have to go with a better CPU that they probably needed to. You all can keep throwing your money at Intel, I'm not going to.

[John Doe]

I have Windows and BIOS updated my machine, and Gibson's attack checking tool says I'm protected against both attacks. I haven't seen slower performance either. In the higher end market, my 7820K at 4.4 destroys the AMD chips, and it's not even the Intel CPU with the best price / performance out there.

[pasa]

Yeah, it is sad that Cofee lake is pushed back again, but the rest of the speculation holds no water at all. And as others mentioned there is no market disadvantage until someone else releases 10nm stuff that is not expected, others don't even have something on the map to push back.

About class action lawsuits, can someone point to an actual one and quote what claim they presented? Sounds like FUD.

[Kaihekoa]

Market leaders are always going to have less growth than underdogs slashing prices to gain market share, but they can afford to pay out dividends. Not trying to rag on AMD, I have used their products in the past due to their value and made a bit of money on their stock last year. If AMD investors cashed out at the right time, $15/share, they made a healthy profit. Not too long after that, it crashed back to $10ish and is now in the $12 range buoyed by Meltdown/Spectre, volatility reflected in their 2.96 beta. Ryzen was a revolutionary jump for which they should be lauded, but long-term, I think they will remain the underdog due to Intel's enormous resources.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

There will always be something new around the corner. If you're already on a decent CPU based on 6th/7th/8th Gen Intel, chances are you won't need to upgrade that anytime soon.

[igloosfolly]

^agree^