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Shodan Apr 23, 2019 @ 5:27am

Would an i5-4690K hold back a GTX 1660 Ti?

I'm aiming for 1080p 60fps at as high settings as possible. I already have the whole PC, but I just need to swap my GTX 970 because it doesn't work anymore, so please don't suggest me to get a different CPU or anything else because I don't have money for that at the moment and it's not worth it, I'd rather just get a whole new PC if I could.

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Originally posted by r.linder:

It should be alright in the vast majority of games, but there's always the possibility of some bottlenecking, even in current generation hardware, like when pairing a 2700X with a 2080 Ti. In both that case and yours, the bottleneck should be very minor, however.
If you're using 1080p, it's more likely to happen as the CPU is pushed with lower resolutions due to higher frame rates being pushed as a result from the lower resolution.

I know you don't want to hear it, but you're going to want to upgrade the entire system within 2 years anyway because past generations of Intel CPUs are starting to struggle as games start to improve when it comes to using more threads. It's a side effect of the core wars between Intel and AMD and it's rendering older generations obsolete quicker than before because Intel had no reason to boost IPC and core count before Ryzen 1st gen hit the market in 2017 and improved in 2018. 4th gen has not aged well as a result. By the end of 2020, seriously consider it because you're reaching the end of that CPU's lifespan. By then, you might notice issues with games.

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_I_ Apr 23, 2019 @ 7:48am

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/2432vs3958

single and quad oc are very close
if the 4690k will bottleneck a game that uses 4 cores so will the ryzen 2700x

as for its ipc, they are close
ryzen clocked slightly higher gives a higher single core performance score
peak oc is close too

Last edited by _I_; Apr 23, 2019 @ 7:51am

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r.linder Apr 23, 2019 @ 7:52am

Originally posted by 123:
Originally posted by Escorve:

What are you even talking about? You don't disable any of the core features of a CPU just to "make things fair."
That's shady Intel plotting.

thats just embarrassing and i will not continue this as op's question was answered...

You can't use the same hardware because of the gap, and disabling cores and threads to make it have the same counts is just stupid. Games being released are making better use of the 2600 than the 4790K; 4/8 isn't enough anymore.

DDR3 vs DDR4, and Ryzen needs 3000 MHz to perform well enough.

Originally posted by _I_:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/2432vs3958

single and quad oc are very close
if the 4690k will bottleneck a game that uses 4 cores so will the ryzen 2700x

as for its ipc, they are close
ryzen clocked slightly higher gives a higher single core performance score
peak oc is close too

You are aware that cpuuserbenchmark is a flawed test to mesure single and quadcore speeds because it accounts for everyone with different clockspeeds and throws them into the mix (example; if someone overclocked the intel cpu to 5 ghz, it would atifically boost the score of all of the intel cpus, because its done on averages), if you want actual perferfomance difference, find a video/benchmark where theyre stock so you can compare them.

At 1080p, Intel reigns, but above that, the 2700X ties with or wins up until Coffee Lake generation Intel chips.

Last edited by rotNdude; Apr 23, 2019 @ 8:57am

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_I_ Apr 23, 2019 @ 8:29am

yes, but avg is avg
not all same model cpus overclock the same

Last edited by _I_; Apr 23, 2019 @ 8:30am

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Cloudy Apr 23, 2019 @ 8:56am

Yes it should be fine, but eventually you may want to get a powerful CPU cooler to hit a higher overclock. Plus even when you do upgrade you CPU someday you can still use that same CPU cooler so it should be considered.

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r.linder Apr 23, 2019 @ 9:48am

Originally posted by _I_:
yes, but avg is avg
not all same model cpus overclock the same

Binning will not do what you claim. The 2700X is far superior to the i5-4690K. Try using the 4690K at 4K or 1440p 144 Hz+ with a 2080 or 2080 Ti and see what happens.

Last edited by r.linder; Apr 23, 2019 @ 9:48am

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_I_ Apr 23, 2019 @ 9:49am

Originally posted by Escorve:
Originally posted by _I_:
yes, but avg is avg
not all same model cpus overclock the same

Binning will not do what you claim. The 2700X is far superior to the i5-4690K. Try using the 4690K at 4K or 1440p 144 Hz+ with a 2080 or 2080 Ti and see what happens.

higher res is more load on gpu not cpu

they have the same performance for 4 cores
if the game does not need more than 4 cores they will perform exactly the same

Last edited by _I_; Apr 23, 2019 @ 9:50am

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r.linder Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:03am

Originally posted by _I_:
they have the same performance for 4 cores
if the game does not need more than 4 cores they will perform exactly the same

You think so? Check out the 4690K against the Ryzen 5 2600X:
Because it's weaker than the 2700X, the 4690K should perform better in games, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMxpxVW-RLI

Wrong.

And the R5 1400 and 1600 vs the i5-4690K and i7-4790 (Non-K):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jwTVbKgTbY

As you can see, the R5 1400 performs worse than the 4690K but it's only by a few FPS, even though the site you claim to be accurate shows a 21% difference in favor of the i5-4690K.
Similarly, the R5 1600 is slightly behind the 4790, but the site says the 1600 is better except in single-core performance, but it's within 5% according to the averages. (NOTE: AVERAGES bunch up all of the numbers it's not an actual representation and requires tens of thousands of submissions to get anywhere near remotely accurate data.)

Originally posted by _I_:
higher res is more load on gpu not cpu

At 4K it can still bottleneck a 2080 and 2080 Ti. The bottleneck for the 2700X is barely noticeable, even with the 2080 Ti.

Last edited by r.linder; Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:06am

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Cloudy Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:06am

Originally posted by Escorve:
Originally posted by _I_:
they have the same performance for 4 cores
if the game does not need more than 4 cores they will perform exactly the same

You think so? Check out the 4690K against the Ryzen 5 2600X:
Because it's weaker than the 2700X, the 4690K should perform better in games, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMxpxVW-RLI

Wrong.

And the R5 1400 and 1600 vs the i5-4690K and i7-4790 (Non-K):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jwTVbKgTbY

As you can see, the R5 1400 performs worse than the 4690K but it's only by a few FPS, even though the site you claim to be accurate shows a 21% difference in favor of the i5-4690K.
Similarly, the R5 1600 is slightly behind the 4790, but the site says the 1600 is better except in single-core performance, but it's within 5% according to the averages. (NOTE: AVERAGES bunch up all of the numbers it's not an actual representation and requires tens of thousands of submissions to get anywhere near remotely accurate data.)

Neither of those videos show what clock speed the CPUs are set to...

Last edited by Cloudy; Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:06am

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tacoshy Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:06am

assasins creed utilize more then 4 cores because of the DRM - on top of that, Odyssey even required AVX.

Last edited by tacoshy; Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:06am

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r.linder Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:09am

Originally posted by Cloudy Canadian:
Originally posted by Escorve:

You think so? Check out the 4690K against the Ryzen 5 2600X:
Because it's weaker than the 2700X, the 4690K should perform better in games, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMxpxVW-RLI

Wrong.

And the R5 1400 and 1600 vs the i5-4690K and i7-4790 (Non-K):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jwTVbKgTbY

As you can see, the R5 1400 performs worse than the 4690K but it's only by a few FPS, even though the site you claim to be accurate shows a 21% difference in favor of the i5-4690K.
Similarly, the R5 1600 is slightly behind the 4790, but the site says the 1600 is better except in single-core performance, but it's within 5% according to the averages. (NOTE: AVERAGES bunch up all of the numbers it's not an actual representation and requires tens of thousands of submissions to get anywhere near remotely accurate data.)
Neither of those videos who what clock speed the CPUs are set to...

Nobody really manually overclocks Ryzen chips because XFR and PB typically outperform the clock speed you can get across all cores with a manual OC because of the temperature drawback. For that reason, the i5 probably is overclocked to the limit.

Originally posted by tacoshy:
assasins creed utilize more then 4 cores because of the DRM - on top of that, Odyssey even required AVX.

Then Haswell isn't as viable anymore. More games being released now are benefiting from more cores than they did before, so there's no point in having a 4/4 or 4/8 unless you're on a tight budget, period. You can't test only games using 4 just because the vast majority of past releases use 1~4, you have to test a wider array that includes games like AC:O that can use more than 4 to see how it fairs now.

Last edited by r.linder; Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:15am

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Cloudy Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:19am

Originally posted by Escorve:
Originally posted by Cloudy Canadian:
Neither of those videos who what clock speed the CPUs are set to...

Originally posted by Escorve:
the i5 probably is overclocked to the limit.

"Probably"

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r.linder Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:23am

Originally posted by Cloudy Canadian:
"Probably"

Again, doesn't really matter because it's still a 4C+4T CPU that falls behind in modern releases like AC:O that can benefit from extra cores from Ryzen 5 and 7, as well as newer Intel i5 and i7s.
4C4T and 4C8T is in the lower end budget range now, and it's not going to hold up as long as what some people claim to be of equal IPC, even when overclocked to the point of becoming a space heater like AMD in previous years.

Besides, it's either going to be both set to stock with no overclocking whatsoever beyond turbo, or both overclocked one way or another.

Last edited by r.linder; Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:26am

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Alexalmighty Apr 23, 2019 @ 10:26am

I used to use 2 970s and a 1080 with my old 4690k at 4.2ghz if you plan to only game you'll be fine but having many chrome tabs a YouTube vid running and other programs you might hit a bottleneck

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