Rx 580 reference high temps

[misterboss]

So I got this prebuilt pc right and since the case is smaller than a mid tower and has only one rear fan, it has really bad cooling. That doesn’t help that my rx 580 4gb is a reference card. Some games it hits like 70-75c (rainbow six, gtav) but on more intensive games it hits like 80-89°c. When it gets to 89 the fans get faster to cool it down and if I set the fans to 48% on msi afterbuer then it usually stays around 78c. I just don’t know the long term effects of having my fan that fast or having my gpu that hot. I haven’t had any problems with thermal throttling, all the games run smooth. The ambient temperature of the room is a bit under 60° Fahrenheit. So is all of this okay? I don’t want anything detrimental happening to my hardware or performance

[Shynobye]

If the temperature keeps increasing, you know you have a problem, check every now and often about your hardware about damage. You will notice detrimental effects if you start having problems. I recommend adding another fan either on front or near the area of most heat.

[misterboss]

Originally posted by Shynobye:

If the temperature keeps increasing, you know you have a problem, check every now and often about your hardware about damage. You will notice detrimental effects if you start having problems. I recommend adding another fan either on front or near the area of most heat.

The problem is that my case is pretttty small, smaller than a mid tower and I have no idea if I’ll be able to fit another fan. I’m thinking of setting a custom fan curve using afterburner

[Satoru]

Heat is fundamentally a cooling problem not a card issue

Check your GPU fans for dust and increase the fan speed in the AMD Catalyst Control Panel when the temps reach specific poinys

[Satoru]

Originally posted by fauxtronic:

God knows why AMD don't publish the TjMax in the specs. Nvidia do it and it's really helpful with common issues like this. Regardless, I think the max is close to a 100C for a rx 580 (based on memory of prevoius posts) so I doubt anything will go bang, although of course, cooler is always better. I generally avoid CPUs and GPUs with a TjMax over 90C because I hate chips that might run so hot.

I imagine it’s because it makes them look bad compared to Nvidias cooler chipsets so why publish it

[misterboss]

As long as nothing breaks or wears down or gives my performance a hit im good

[misterboss]

Originally posted by fauxtronic:

God knows why AMD don't publish the TjMax in the specs. Nvidia do it and it's really helpful with common issues like this. Regardless, I think the max is close to a 100C for a rx 580 (based on memory of prevoius posts) so I doubt anything will go bang, although of course, cooler is always better. I generally avoid CPUs and GPUs with a TjMax over 90C because I hate chips that might run so hot.

I set my fan speed to 50% and I’m getting 75-79c on rust never above so does that sound like a solution?

[[☥] - CJ -]

GPU Temp = Ambient room temp, Case airflow, GPU cooling capability and last but not least the thermal paste used on the GPU.

I redid the paste on my 1060 SSC 6GB a few weeks ago and it dropped the temps UP TO 30c depending on the game and allows a MUCH higher OC due to the much lower temps as a whole.

So might be something to look into

[misterboss]

Originally posted by ☥ - CJ -:

GPU Temp = Ambient room temp, Case airflow, GPU cooling capability and last but not least the thermal paste used on the GPU.

I redid the paste on my 1060 SSC 6GB a few weeks ago and it dropped the temps UP TO 30c depending on the game and allows a MUCH higher OC due to the much lower temps as a whole.

So might be something to look into

I'm honestly a bit surprised since I just bought this pc 2 weeks ago right from the store but now im not even touching 80 on some pretty demanding games

[[☥] - CJ -]

Thats around what i was originally getting with a small overclock, even when i first got the GPU the temps were no where near what i'm currently getting after i redid the paste

And thats with a LARGE airflow set up

The paste jobs just tend to be sucky at the factory, but up to a 30C difference just from changing the paste is something else entirely. AND its not even using any of the high end pastes out there, cooler master paste that comes with a Hyper 212 EVO is all i used.

To put it into perspective
The OC i originally had for my card that i was reaching Near 80C in heavy games was like +90 Core and +125 or there abouts for Memory

I'm now able to do 95 Core and 325 Memory with Max temps getting No higher than 64/65C and thats with demanding games, with Non demanding games it lands between 40 and 50C, the fans dont kick in until 60C so thats pretty sweet in itself.

Now granted its a 1060 and not a RX580, but id be surprised if redoing the paste wouldnt knock off 10C or so at the least.

[Autumn_]

As someone said before, see if you can add an intake fan or two.

You could redo the thermal paste, but i wouldnt yet.

And its blower style right? ( i dont recall what the reference card was )
So thermals are going to be hotter than your average dual or tripple fan card.

Either way, 75 is acceptable, its not going to cause hardly any damage (maybe running it at 75 degrees for 5 years will do something, but i doubt it.)
If you want lower temps, you could try undervolting the gpu, or increasing the fan speeds.
So long as you can handle the sound, its fine ( you wear the fan out either, since theyre rated to run at their full speed, at least until warranty is over. Or however long the fan is rated for. Which will be a long time.)

[[☥] - CJ -]

Good point
If its a blower style, highish temps are to be expected

[UTFapolloMarine]

i own both the 1060 ti and the rx580, my rx580 is flashed as well from a 480 and its a blower but not loud at all for me, its actually quiet, but since the latest AMD drivers, its idle at 70c while gaming not increasing i can play fh4 high settings all day with no problems, dont know man my rx580 only pulls 90w from the rail which is great note,

i have a fan pulling air from the bottom to bring air into the case, while my side case fan blows the air right back out, i could have both fans blowing right at my gpu, but i even took off my brackets and its stays cool enough but then again my cpu is AMD as well dont know if that has anything to do with it, every build acts different to hardware

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by POUusnavy:

i own both the 1060 ti and the rx580, my rx580 is flashed as well from a 480 and its a blower but not loud at all for me, its actually quiet, but since the latest AMD drivers, its idle at 70c while gaming not increasing i can play fh4 high settings all day with no problems, dont know man my rx580 only pulls 90w from the rail which is great note,

i have a fan pulling air from the bottom to bring air into the case, while my side case fan blows the air right back out, i could have both fans blowing right at my gpu, but i even took off my brackets and its stays cool enough but then again my cpu is AMD as well dont know if that has anything to do with it, every build acts different to hardware

There is no such card as the 1060ti, you mean the 1060 6GB, which can be considered a ti card in a sense i guess. Since the 3gb is a cut down version of the gpu.

You cant just make a 580 by flashing a 580 bios onto a 480, thats not how it works. (Regardless of the 580 being an 'overclocked' 480.)
And it doesnt magically give you 6gb more vram.
And doesnt make you draw less power. It would make you draw more.
Also, if your card is idle at 70c, youve got a problem. I'd sort that ♥♥♥♥ out lmao.
You can also play games at max settings on almost any card, doesnt mean its going to be playable :).

So your fam setup is blowing air at the gpu, and then pulling it away from it right before it its it?
Pointless even having a fan pointed at it, at that point.

Your CPU would have very little affect on the gpu so long as you didnt have an AIO on intake (because youre pulling hot air over the gpu.)


Lastly, to get back on topic.
Blower fans are relitively quiet at slower speeds ( 1 - 50% ), beyond that it becomes quite loud. Past 70% its annoying in most cases, and 90%+ is very very loud, so loud you can hear it several rooms away.

You could get about 50-70% out of it easy with little issue so long as you had headset on.

Its just the inefficent design of it in normal use cases.
It does much better in racks of multiple gpus, or cases where the gpu would be starved of air, because it directs the little airflow it has over an area.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by POUusnavy:

i own both the 1060 ti and the rx580, my rx580 is flashed as well from a 480 and its a blower but not loud at all for me, its actually quiet, but since the latest AMD drivers, its idle at 70c while gaming not increasing i can play fh4 high settings all day with no problems, dont know man my rx580 only pulls 90w from the rail which is great note,

i have a fan pulling air from the bottom to bring air into the case, while my side case fan blows the air right back out, i could have both fans blowing right at my gpu, but i even took off my brackets and its stays cool enough but then again my cpu is AMD as well dont know if that has anything to do with it, every build acts different to hardware

1. There is no such thing as a 1060 Ti. Are you sure you didn't mix up the 1060 3G vs 6G, or a 1660 Ti?

2. Flashing an RX 480 with an RX 580 BIOS does not make it an RX 580. Stop bragging about flashing the BIOS because it does literally nothing. Any effect you see is a placebo effect as the hardware remains the same. We've told you this, so stop bringing it up like you're some kind of computer wizard, because you're not.

3. Noise levels can be taken differently from person to person, not everyone will have the same experience. Case also can affect it, as some cases like be quiet's cases are a little bit better at dulling out the sounds emitted by the hardware inside. Blowers are also almost silent at lower fan speeds.

4. "idles at 70c while gaming"
That's not idling, that's still gaming under load. Being idle means the system is not doing anything at all, just sitting at the desktop screen with nothing running aside from background apps/programs.

5. Your RX 480 can run high settings at 1080p because that's exactly what it's designed to do. It's not special or noteworthy. There was very few games that my own RX 580 was capable of running at ultra or maximum settings at 1080p.

6. Any GPU will not use it's maximum rated TDP constantly. 90W is normal under average loads for the reference style RX 480 that you own.

7. Obstructions like brackets for mounting storage drives do almost nothing unless they're so poorly designed that they block airflow entirely. Again, not special.

8. Whether or not you're using an AMD or Intel platform will not influence GPU temperature. That is completely up to the GPU and its cooler, and don't say you know because you literally said in your last sentence that you didn't know if it had anything to do with using an AMD CPU.

9. What you're referring to, with every build acting differently to hardware, is not true. If they are the same build by parts, they will perform very similarly, but not exactly the same only because of binning; no CPU, RAM module, GPU, etc performs perfectly equal.
When it comes to CPUs, for example, the 2600 and 2600X are the same CPU, with 2600Xs being better binned 2600s, meaning they can run at higher clock rates, overclock better, etc.
With GPUs, it's a fairly similar process, and if you buy 2 of the exact same model, like 2 Radeon VIIs, one will almost always perform better than the other as the chance of getting 2 "equally binned" GPUs that get the exact same results separately is pretty slim.

10. You're derailing again by bringing up topics not actually related to the topic of this thread. Go ahead and blame us, because it won't go anywhere.

11. https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/248044-flashing-rx-480-gpu-rx-580-bios-really-really-bad-idea
Flashing a 580 BIOS onto a 480 actually uses more wattage than a 480 normally would, and with the reference style cards from AMD directly, it can damage the card in the long term because you're pushing more wattage into it because it THINKS that it's a 580 that uses more wattage than the 480 is supposed to.
I would flash back to the original BIOS before you destroy your 480's VRMs.

Originally posted by MisterBoss:

So I got this prebuilt pc right and since the case is smaller than a mid tower and has only one rear fan, it has really bad cooling. That doesn’t help that my rx 580 4gb is a reference card. Some games it hits like 70-75c (rainbow six, gtav) but on more intensive games it hits like 80-89°c. When it gets to 89 the fans get faster to cool it down and if I set the fans to 48% on msi afterbuer then it usually stays around 78c. I just don’t know the long term effects of having my fan that fast or having my gpu that hot. I haven’t had any problems with thermal throttling, all the games run smooth. The ambient temperature of the room is a bit under 60° Fahrenheit. So is all of this okay? I don’t want anything detrimental happening to my hardware or performance

The temperatures you are experiencing are pretty normal for an AMD GPU with a blower style cooler because blowers are extremely inefficient. If you want to lower temperatures so it doesn't throttle, run the fan speed at 100%. You can also remove the side panel when temperatures get too hot and direct a desk or standing fan towards the open case to help get airflow to the GPU, something that quite a few people do.
Heat will do more damage to the GPU than fan speed would to the fan, and it would take longer for the fan to break than it would for the 480 to become obsolete. You're fine. You have to decide if you want performance or silence.

As a side note, smaller cases with little flow benefit more than blower style coolers than open air coolers with more fans because blowers are designed to expel hot air outside the back of the case while open air custom coolers just dump the hot air back inside the case and recirculate it.

[Talby]

Originally posted by MisterBoss:

...I set my fan speed to 50% and I’m getting 75-79c on rust never above so does that sound like a solution?

Did you set your fan to 50% manually? Personally I would setup a curve so it hits 100% around 90c, something similar to this post[forums.tomshardware.com].

Originally posted by Escorve:

...As a side note, smaller cases with little flow benefit more than blower style coolers than open air coolers with more fans because blowers are designed to expel hot air outside the back of the case while open air custom coolers just dump the hot air back inside the case and recirculate it.

Fully agree, so again best to have a more aggressive fan curve like above, you are trading cool for quiet and for a game rig that's an optimal setup.

One quick and dirty cooling mod, just remove the side panel, and optionally if you have a box or table fan have it blast air in and see how much a difference it makes in temps - if a lot consider just leaving the panel off and cleaning more often, or maybe some cooling mods to help out:

If your prebuilt has a metal side panel, consider a side intake fan mod[mnpctech.com] and/or a blowhole (top exhaust) fan mod[www.overclockers.com] (also works for a bottom intake) that will give it some needed breathing that pre-builts lack.