Nvidia I was a "fan" but after this video. Never again.

[iceman1980]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os

You dirty, evil and corrupt company. I am more convinced to go to AMD everyday.

[TheRandomGuy]

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Escrito originalmente por TheRandomGuy:

Just make sure you install Windows BEFORE Linux, most Linux distributions recognize Windows and will install along-side it no problem, but Windows doesn't recognize Linux and will be difficult to install alongside a currently existing Linux install.

And prevent Windows from doing major updates. Windows likes to delete GRUB and install it's own bootloader making Linux unbootable with nearly every major update.

As I understand it, doesn't placing the EFI Grub Bootloader on a separate disk prevent Windows from deleting it?

[iceman1980]

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Escrito originalmente por Omega:

And prevent Windows from doing major updates. Windows likes to delete GRUB and install it's own bootloader making Linux unbootable with nearly every major update.

As I understand it, doesn't placing the EFI Grub Bootloader on a separate disk prevent Windows from deleting it?

Guess I'll just buy another HDD. Probably a WD Gold. If you think that's overkill not really WD Golds are quieter than WD Black and higher endurance

[tacoshy]

Escrito originalmente por Dr Doom:

Escrito originalmente por TheRandomGuy:

As I understand it, doesn't placing the EFI Grub Bootloader on a separate disk prevent Windows from deleting it?

Guess I'll just buy another HDD. Probably a WD Gold. If you think that's overkill not really WD Golds are quieter than WD Black and higher endurance

and often even cheaper, twice the cache on the smaller ones, longer warranty, lifteime 24/7 Premium Customer Support, better RAID and 24/7 working support and last but not least also faster. No reason to go for a WD Black these days anymore.

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AMD Already did put pressure on Intel, they released Ryzen as a budget alternative to Intel's cards. This applies mainly for PC Builders, but also means manufacturers may end up putting more Ryzen chips into prebuilt PCs too, which can also mean more business and consumer PCs out there with Ryzen chips.

As for AMD's GPU side, they make decent Budget chips (RX 580 / 590), but their more expensive offerings, the Vega 56 and Vega 64 can't really trade blows well with the GTX 1070 and 1080. The newest one, the Radeon VIII, isn't even marketed for gaming but instead for business / rendering applications. Hopefully their upcoming Navi GPUs can offer some competition at an affordable price range, while also being able to trade blows with the NVIDIA RTX Series.

NO Becuase the consumer market brings less then 10% of the money. Intel always was in for the big professional and Server market. Also the reason why Intel can spend more in the research department then AMD has income.

[Omega]

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Linux lacks a big range of software. And WINE kind of defeats to purpose of using Linux to not need windows. No the thing that amazes me in that video is Nvidia basically created defeat devices.

Linux has a ton of sofware, even more then Windows does. You just have to learn how to use Libre Office instead of Microsoft Office, GIMP instead of Photoshop etc..

WINE doesn't defeat the purpose of using Linux to not need Windows. You use Linux to stay away from Windows not Windows apps. WINE will make sure the Windows software you really can't live without will run on Linux. And WINE is to make sure you can still play your Windows games long after modern versions of Windows are no longer able to.

I only use WINE for games and a few game launchers, all the other software I need runs natively. Steam has a custom version of WINE build-in now called Proton to run Windows games. Many "native" Linux game ports also run using WINE.

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Escrito originalmente por Omega:

And prevent Windows from doing major updates. Windows likes to delete GRUB and install it's own bootloader making Linux unbootable with nearly every major update.

As I understand it, doesn't placing the EFI Grub Bootloader on a separate disk prevent Windows from deleting it?

I think Windows looks at the boot order, it will put it's bootloader on the first partition of the first disk in the boot order. I myself had Windows wipe the bootloader on other disks and have heard many people compain about the same thing. "What a nice 550MiB partition you have there, would be a shame if someone where to install his bootloader on it"

[TheRandomGuy]

Escrito originalmente por Omega:

Escrito originalmente por TheRandomGuy:

As I understand it, doesn't placing the EFI Grub Bootloader on a separate disk prevent Windows from deleting it?

I think Windows looks at the boot order, it will put it's bootloader on the first partition of the first disk in the boot order. I myself had Windows wipe the bootloader on other disks and have heard many people compain about the same thing. "What a nice 550MiB partition you have there, would be a shame if someone where to install his bootloader on it"

I thought Windows also couldn't read Linux partitions if they're formatted in EXT4, which isn't the same filesystem Windows uses (NTFS) ?

[Omega]

Escrito originalmente por TheRandomGuy:

Escrito originalmente por Omega:

I think Windows looks at the boot order, it will put it's bootloader on the first partition of the first disk in the boot order. I myself had Windows wipe the bootloader on other disks and have heard many people compain about the same thing. "What a nice 550MiB partition you have there, would be a shame if someone where to install his bootloader on it"

I thought Windows also couldn't read Linux partitions if they're formatted in EXT4, which isn't the same filesystem Windows uses (NTFS) ?

These bootloader partitions are FAT. Because the UEFI needs to read them.

[iceman1980]

Yeah but you can easily get a package to read NTFS. If it is an issue.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions

[[☥] - CJ -]

Ah yes
because i'm sure AMD has been soooooo perfect over the years

It took how many years for AMD to actually have anything good/worth having?

So wheres AMD's video?
NO Large company is perfect

[iceman1980]

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Ah yes
because i'm sure AMD has been soooooo perfect over the years

It took how many years for AMD to actually have anything good/worth having?

So wheres AMD's video?
NO Large company is perfect

Not denying AMD of any wrong doing. But that video has certainly made me even more picky about computer components. As I said I am NOT A FANBOY

[Cyber2B]

Escrito originalmente por Dr Doom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os

You dirty, evil and corrupt company. I am more convinced to go to AMD everyday.

Why are you soley blaming Nvidia? Blame AMD for not being able to pull their weight.

Nvidia is a company, duopoly turned monopoly in a span of a few years.

[TheRandomGuy]

Escrito originalmente por EpicFace™:

Escrito originalmente por Dr Doom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os

You dirty, evil and corrupt company. I am more convinced to go to AMD everyday.

Why are you soley blaming Nvidia? Blame AMD for not being able to pull their weight.

Nvidia is a company, duopoly turned monopoly in a span of a few years.

AMD Does make good CPUs now though. Took em forever to get there, but they're trading blows with Intel now, finally. For all we know, Navi may very well be the "Ryzen" of GPUs, and blindside NVIDIA this year, or next.

Not trying to fanboy over either side here, just saying that I wouldn't call out AMD for not trying hard enough until Navi gets here.

[Cyber2B]

Escrito originalmente por TheRandomGuy:

Escrito originalmente por EpicFace™:

Why are you soley blaming Nvidia? Blame AMD for not being able to pull their weight.

Nvidia is a company, duopoly turned monopoly in a span of a few years.

AMD Does make good CPUs now though. Took em forever to get there, but they're trading blows with Intel now, finally. For all we know, Navi may very well be the "Ryzen" of GPUs, and blindside NVIDIA this year, or next.

Not trying to fanboy over either side here, just saying that I wouldn't call out AMD for not trying hard enough until Navi gets here.

AMD or Nvidia aren't your "friends" I don't understand why people can't get this in their heads. I'm no fanboy either and I could care less about both companies.

If this were the other way around where AMD made better GPUs then Nvidia, AMD would be as greedy as Nvidia.

Vega was supposed to compete but came short with a high TDP and only trading blows with 2 year old hardware.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

im gonna tell you this right now every big boy company isnt your friend, they just hide it
they just want to make money, nothing more nothing less

hell for all you know ebay could be holding back on some cutting edge AI technology that will change the future, but isnt for a few bucks

[IceFoxX]

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Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Yet I bet you're still using Windows OS though right... LOL

The only reason people still run Windows is because it runs their software. It's pretty much universally agreed upon that Windows is a bloated, privacy infringing, unstable, insecure garbage.

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Yeah I use it out of necessity... Lack of competition clearly doesn't help.

https://www.ubuntu.com/
https://linuxmint.com/
https://manjaro.org/
https://getsol.us/

And a few thousand others:
https://distrowatch.com/

There is enough competition, mostly from the Linux side. You just have to bite the bullet and deal with having a slighly smaller Steam library for a few years until Proton/WINE has improved.

lol why not directly a clean debian which is much better as ubuntu.. mint or that buggy solus os (horrible buggy...i rly cant recommend solus..) or that kiddy manjaro (for manjaro users i just can highly recommend using a clean arch linux...ofc its hard too learn and understand for new users but lol manjaro is trash compared with arch..)

[iceman1980]

Escrito originalmente por IceFoxX:

Escrito originalmente por Omega:

The only reason people still run Windows is because it runs their software. It's pretty much universally agreed upon that Windows is a bloated, privacy infringing, unstable, insecure garbage.


https://www.ubuntu.com/
https://linuxmint.com/
https://manjaro.org/
https://getsol.us/

And a few thousand others:
https://distrowatch.com/

There is enough competition, mostly from the Linux side. You just have to bite the bullet and deal with having a slighly smaller Steam library for a few years until Proton/WINE has improved.

lol why not directly a clean debian which is much better as ubuntu.. mint or that buggy solus os (horrible buggy...i rly cant recommend solus..) or that kiddy manjaro (for manjaro users i just can highly recommend using a clean arch linux...ofc its hard too learn and understand for new users but lol manjaro is trash compared with arch..)

^ That is the reason I've avoided Linux. That Elitism about distros... it is toxic.