Cyber2B 2019 年 4 月 23 日 下午 5:42
Best Linux for gaming and for beginners?
BIG UPDATE: After playing around for a bit with Linux versions, POP OS and KDE NEON are one of my favs RN, if any of you guys are new to linux like me, you gotta check these two out before anything else!


Plan to try out one of them... in a VM before thinking of switching.

I don't have any CS knowledge, I am just a casual computer user that browses the web and plays video games and online banking.

So any suggestions?
最后由 Cyber2B 编辑于; 2019 年 4 月 27 日 下午 4:18
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Talby 2019 年 4 月 29 日 下午 4:31 
引用自 EE
Windows.

Because Linux is overall very limited in usability and not suitable at all for home Pcs.
No matter what u want to do in linux, its either not available, much worse, broken or you have to google for hours to get it to work what in a usable OS like Windows takes 2 seconds and a little common sense.

Also for every little ♥♥♥♥ u have to google & type a command which just by itself is extremely annoying.
Opposite for me, only the game rigs run windows while everything else runs linux. An x6-1045T w/ 16Gb ram running linux as a KVM hypervisor, an i3-6100 as my plex server and linux workstation, and 2 disk arrays running freenas.

引用自 Dr Doom
...Some applications won't run on Linux purely because of needing specific dependencies, or code bugs present in the linux build of those applications.
That's a result of bad coding and practices - if it's done right, with all dependencies from packages in the repo, there is no problem. Applications that need bleeding edge versions of specific packages, or packages / versions outside the repo is the problem.
最后由 Talby 编辑于; 2019 年 4 月 29 日 下午 4:31
TheRandomGuy 2019 年 4 月 29 日 下午 4:59 
Personally I'd advise using Windows for things that outright require it, such as certain games, or games not rated well in Steamplay Proton. Everything else for an average user can easily be done in Linux just as well.

Browsing the Web? Most viruses and malware target Windows so you're good-to-go out of the box. Same experience as it is on Windows, only safer.

Playing Videos and or Music? Linux has many music players and video players (like VLC) which do the job fine.

Writing and other Productive activities? LibreOffice comes standard with most Linux installs nowadays, and can be used the same way MS Office can, only it's included and free.

I'd say that for the average user, Gaming is about the only thing that Linux can't do as well as Windows, simply for compatibility's sake, however advances in Proton and WINE are continuing and hopefully in the next several years we will see continued leaps and bounds in regards to progress in that area. Companies like Valve and Google are poised to bolster Linux Gaming in the future primarily due to Steamplay and Google Stadia. Now though, I'd just stick to native ports and GOLD / PLATINUM Rated Steamplay Titles.

引用自 EE
Windows.

Because Linux is overall very limited in usability and not suitable at all for home Pcs.
No matter what u want to do in linux, its either not available, much worse, broken or you have to google for hours to get it to work what in a usable OS like Windows takes 2 seconds and a little common sense.

Also for every little ♥♥♥♥ u have to google & type a command which just by itself is extremely annoying.

Linux, outside of gaming, can do pretty much everything. You can literally stick an old family member who isn't computer literate with Linux and have them go at it and they'll be fine. Web Browsing, Writing, Productivity Software, and Media Software (Music + Movies) can all be used and accessed with ease on Linux. You can use your distro's "App Store" like the GNOME Software Center for instance and grab apps easily from there, or get them from the Terminal. Most of them work without issue and for a general use PC (non-gaming), everything will work fine.

The only thing I'd say Linux is not yet good for is Gaming, and it's usability in it is rapidly improving. It's not there YET, but I have no doubt that come 5, maybe 10 years, Linux will be able to do everything Windows Can. Big Companies like Valve and Google for instance are making advancements in Linux, Valve on bringing Compatibility w/ Windows Games, and Google for potentially opening up the floodgates for Linux Native Ports with their Stadia service, which runs games on Linux Debian, therefore requiring a native build.

Typing a Command to install a program can be done in both Windows and Linux. Granted, in Linux, it's actually much easier to do it via Command Line (Weird I know), and safer as well, as that pulls the software from an Online Repository which is maintained by people who ensure no nasty things like Malware or other bad things get into the program.
最后由 TheRandomGuy 编辑于; 2019 年 4 月 29 日 下午 5:21
Omega 2019 年 4 月 29 日 下午 5:03 
引用自 EE
Windows.

Because Linux is overall very limited in usability and not suitable at all for home Pcs.
No matter what u want to do in linux, its either not available, much worse, broken or you have to google for hours to get it to work what in a usable OS like Windows takes 2 seconds and a little common sense.

Also for every little ♥♥♥♥ u have to google & type a command which just by itself is extremely annoying.
Linux can do anything. Everything already runs Linux except for the desktop PC. servers, routers, switches, Smartphones, Tablets, Chromebooks, refrigerators etc.. everything runs Linux. The only reason it hasn't taken over the desktop is because of the lack of a proper desktop experience due to lack of interest from large companies and compatibility, this is now changing with Valve, Microsoft, Google and many others which are very actively supporting and starting projects which will improve the Linux desktop. Aswell as Microsoft's monopoly of the desktop OS market.

Windows has barely changed since the early 90s. Someone familiar with Windows NT can switch to Windows 10 with ease. This is both good and bad, Windows 10 is still build around the restrictions of nearly 30 year old machines. You can put many parts of the GUI from Windows NT/95 next to it's counterpart in Windows 10 and they will be identical. There is no innovation to be found here, since Gates left as CEO in 2000 Windows has been abused and was nothing more then a cash cow, milking past successes (Allthough Windows inovation was already showing signs of slowing down with Windows 98, ME and 2000, but they were focusing on the back-end back then, so that could explain it).

Most of the stuff done via the terminal can also be done via the GUI. The terminal is used because of how customizable Linux is, you will have to be familiar with dozen or more GUIs to be able to tell someone exactly where the setting they are looking for is. Imagine having to write the same guide for a dozen GUIs. So instead I can give you this one single command which will fix the issue.
HypersleepyNaputunia 2019 年 4 月 29 日 下午 6:13 
windows for play
linux for everything else
dual boot I say
use the grub shell
Omega 2019 年 4 月 29 日 下午 6:14 
引用自 Dr Doom
引用自 Omega
Linux can do anything. Everything already runs Linux except for the desktop PC. servers, routers, switches, Smartphones, Tablets, Chromebooks, refrigerators etc.. everything runs Linux. The only reason it hasn't taken over the desktop is because of the lack of a proper desktop experience due to lack of interest from large companies and compatibility, this is now changing with Valve, Microsoft, Google and many others which are very actively supporting and starting projects which will improve the Linux desktop. Aswell as Microsoft's monopoly of the desktop OS market.

Windows has barely changed since the early 90s. Someone familiar with Windows NT can switch to Windows 10 with ease. This is both good and bad, Windows 10 is still build around the restrictions of nearly 30 year old machines. You can put many parts of the GUI from Windows NT/95 next to it's counterpart in Windows 10 and they will be identical. There is no innovation to be found here, since Gates left as CEO in 2000 Windows has been abused and was nothing more then a cash cow, milking past successes (Allthough Windows inovation was already showing signs of slowing down with Windows 98, ME and 2000, but they were focusing on the back-end back then, so that could explain it).

Most of the stuff done via the terminal can also be done via the GUI. The terminal is used because of how customizable Linux is, you will have to be familiar with dozen or more GUIs to be able to tell someone exactly where the setting they are looking for is. Imagine having to write the same guide for a dozen GUIs. So instead I can give you this one single command which will fix the issue.

Linux hasn't really made that many innovations either... (Stares at Unix in Mac OS)
Linux and Linux apps have innovated a lot. Linux and Linux apps are constantly changed and overhauled. What has Windows done in the last 30 years? They changed some UI colors, tried tablet crap and some other minor changes like that horrible Windows 10 settings app.

Linux and Linux apps however are constantly changing. Let's take GNOME for example; GNOME 3 was released as a successor to GNOME 2 in 2009. The third major revision of GNOME in a little over 10 years. While Windows was stuck with basically the same interface for over 20 years at that point. GNOME like many Linux desktops is constanly being updated to take the most out of modern hardware. Every 6 months another major update is released to GNOME which adds features/polishes existing ones, changes the layout or look etc..

What is Windows doing on the GUI side? They add extra options in the options app.. And for this minor change you have to spend 30 minutes updating your machine. The same thing would have been done on Linux in 10 seconds, no reboot required.

The design direction of modern Windows apps is all over the place, some look the same as they did in Windows 95 others follow what Microsoft calls "fluent design" which clearly doesn't know what it wants. Some of these fluent design apps are made for tablets, others make heavy use of "glassed" elements which are clearly inspired by Windows 7's Aero theme and again others are big solid white blobs with huge colored buttons on them. There is little consistency to be found in Windows 10's theming.


Then there is the fact it's free software. Which Windows isn't and most likely never will be. The community decides what happens not some big company.

Unless Windows is completely build up from scratch again it's not salvagable. In it's current state it's and unpolished, buggy, bloated mess which is stuck on 1995 and doesn't know what it wants. Microsoft is just building on top of old successes and past glories, a monopoly in a nutshell.

People don't know of alternatives nor do they care. Bite the bullet for a year or two and Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris etc.. anything can become a viable desktop OS.
CravenCoyote 2019 年 5 月 2 日 下午 1:20 
I wouldn't be surprised that if/when ReactOS is finished, there'll be mass migration.
Damian 2019 年 5 月 2 日 下午 2:21 
引用自 EpicFace™
BIG UPDATE: After playing around for a bit with Linux versions, POP OS and KDE NEON are one of my favs RN, if any of you guys are new to linux like me, you gotta check these two out before anything else!


Plan to try out one of them... in a VM before thinking of switching.

I don't have any CS knowledge, I am just a casual computer user that browses the web and plays video games and online banking.

So any suggestions?

Manjaro, next question.
Agris 2019 年 5 月 2 日 下午 7:43 
引用自 Elk Cloner
I wouldn't be surprised that if/when ReactOS is finished, there'll be mass migration.
if/when ReactOS IS finished, expect a massive megaflck-ton of drama and lawsuits from M$.

引用自 Agris
引用自 Elk Cloner
I wouldn't be surprised that if/when ReactOS is finished, there'll be mass migration.
if/when ReactOS IS finished, expect a massive megaflck-ton of drama and lawsuits from M$.
better keep a copy of the git repository around on _YOUR MACHINE_ when it starts looking like ReactOS is near completion.
最后由 rotNdude 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 3 日 上午 7:23
Omega 2019 年 5 月 2 日 下午 7:47 
引用自 Elk Cloner
I wouldn't be surprised that if/when ReactOS is finished, there'll be mass migration.
Considering ReactOS has only had around 100 people work on it in it's 20 year life time, that it's still very much in Alpha and it's current focus is on Windows XP compatibility I doubt that will happen any time soon.

引用自 Agris
引用自 Elk Cloner
I wouldn't be surprised that if/when ReactOS is finished, there'll be mass migration.
if/when ReactOS IS finished, expect a massive megaflck-ton of drama and lawsuits from M$.
The ReactOS project is 100% legal since they are doing clean-room reverse engineering. They don't even allow people who have viewed Windows source code to contibute to the project. Microsoft has nothing to sue them for.
Agris 2019 年 5 月 2 日 下午 7:48 
引用自 Agris
if/when ReactOS IS finished, expect a massive megaflck-ton of drama and lawsuits from M$.
The ReactOS project is 100% legal since they are doing clean-room reverse engineering. They don't even allow people who have viewed Windows source code to contibute to the project. Microsoft has nothing to sue them for. [/quote]

I know that and you know that, but that won't stop M$ from trying.
CravenCoyote 2019 年 5 月 4 日 上午 2:59 
引用自 Omega
引用自 Elk Cloner
I wouldn't be surprised that if/when ReactOS is finished, there'll be mass migration.
Considering ReactOS has only had around 100 people work on it in it's 20 year life time, that it's still very much in Alpha and it's current focus is on Windows XP compatibility I doubt that will happen any time soon.

Hence if/when

引用自 Agris
The ReactOS project is 100% legal since they are doing clean-room reverse engineering. They don't even allow people who have viewed Windows source code to contibute to the project. Microsoft has nothing to sue them for.

I know that and you know that, but that won't stop M$ from trying.

Pretty sure they already did, and failed.
最后由 CravenCoyote 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 4 日 上午 3:00
Danny3 2019 年 6 月 29 日 上午 12:29 
To me it seems that the best Linux for gaming and for beginners is Kubuntu because KDE Plasma is just fantastic.
Looks nice, it's very customizable, fast and it's pretty much Windows like. If you're coming from Windows like the 95% of users are, you don't need to read a book to use it. You can start immediately with what you know.
I just hope Valve will hope the KDE developers to make gaming permormance tweaking.
引用自 Danny3
To me it seems that the best Linux for gaming and for beginners is Kubuntu because KDE Plasma is just fantastic.
Looks nice, it's very customizable, fast and it's pretty much Windows like. If you're coming from Windows like the 95% of users are, you don't need to read a book to use it. You can start immediately with what you know.
I just hope Valve will hope the KDE developers to make gaming permormance tweaking.
Valve will no longer officially support Ubuntu for Steam as they are dropping 32 bit support so I guess that make it not the best any longer.
Omega 2019 年 6 月 29 日 下午 12:19 
引用自 Danny3
To me it seems that the best Linux for gaming and for beginners is Kubuntu because KDE Plasma is just fantastic.
Looks nice, it's very customizable, fast and it's pretty much Windows like. If you're coming from Windows like the 95% of users are, you don't need to read a book to use it. You can start immediately with what you know.
I just hope Valve will hope the KDE developers to make gaming permormance tweaking.
Valve will no longer officially support Ubuntu for Steam as they are dropping 32 bit support so I guess that make it not the best any longer.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/1640915206447625383/

They will keep supporting Ubuntu, at least until the next major LTS release. Canonical has gone partially back on their decision to drop i386 libraries.

And Valve is looking in to work-arounds like containerization to get Steam and Steam games running on 64bit-only OSs.
最后由 Omega 编辑于; 2019 年 6 月 29 日 下午 12:19
Agris 2019 年 6 月 29 日 下午 8:59 
引用自 Danny3
To me it seems that the best Linux for gaming and for beginners is Kubuntu because KDE Plasma is just fantastic.
Looks nice, it's very customizable, fast and it's pretty much Windows like. If you're coming from Windows like the 95% of users are, you don't need to read a book to use it. You can start immediately with what you know.
I just hope Valve will hope the KDE developers to make gaming permormance tweaking.
I really hope not. That actually sounds horrible. I don't want Linux software that's dependant upon your running a specific desktop enviroment, window manager, or vendor OS.
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