Best Linux for gaming and for beginners?
BIG UPDATE: After playing around for a bit with Linux versions, POP OS and KDE NEON are one of my favs RN, if any of you guys are new to linux like me, you gotta check these two out before anything else!


Plan to try out one of them... in a VM before thinking of switching.

I don't have any CS knowledge, I am just a casual computer user that browses the web and plays video games and online banking.

So any suggestions?
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I would skip Ubuntu for a gaming machine, they drivers it ships with are very stable but not necessarily the latest.

I would go with Pop_OS since it's based on Debian and you can still use the large mount of Ubuntu troubleshooting and forum posts (since theyre both Debian based) but Pop_OS will ship with much more up to date drivers and software.

Then just pick whatever GUI you like the most if you don't like what Pop_OS ships with.
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im going to try pop os its downloaded now
Rogue の投稿を引用:
Pop!_OS is based on Ubuntu. The reason it has newer drivers than stock Ubuntu is because it ships with an additional software repository, which they call PPAs (Personal Package Archives).

I guess I misunderstood, but isn't Ubuntu also Debian based?
BIG UPDATE: After playing around for a bit with Linux versions, POP OS and KDE NEON are one of my favs RN, if any of you guys are new to linux like me and are kind of stuck on what to choose, you gotta check these two out before anything else!

1st pick for me would be POP OS, it seemed more finished and polished then Neon, also system76 which created POP OS, develops the OS for their computers so its bound to be stable in every update.

But Either will give you a really good experience.
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BIG UPDATE: After playing around for a bit with Linux versions, POP OS and KDE NEON are one of my favs RN, if any of you guys are new to linux like me and are kind of stuck on what to choose, you gotta check these two out before anything else!

1st pick for me would be POP OS, it seemed more finished and polished then Neon, also system76 which created POP OS, develops the OS for their computers so its bound to be stable in every update.

But Either will give you a really good experience.

I'm glad it's working well for you. I booted it up on a thumb drive a couple days ago just to see how much of my steam library would go away if I made the hard switch, and to my surprise more than half of my games were available. More than that if I were to fiddle with WINE to run the windows version. I'm just one bad day with Window$ away from making the switch and never looking back. Paid over 100 bucks for this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ license though so I don't wana feel like it was a waste of money. Windows 10 is the most expensive spyware on the market afaik.
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BIG UPDATE: After playing around for a bit with Linux versions, POP OS and KDE NEON are one of my favs RN, if any of you guys are new to linux like me and are kind of stuck on what to choose, you gotta check these two out before anything else!

1st pick for me would be POP OS, it seemed more finished and polished then Neon, also system76 which created POP OS, develops the OS for their computers so its bound to be stable in every update.

But Either will give you a really good experience.

I'm glad it's working well for you. I booted it up on a thumb drive a couple days ago just to see how much of my steam library would go away if I made the hard switch, and to my surprise more than half of my games were available. More than that if I were to fiddle with WINE to run the windows version. I'm just one bad day with Window$ away from making the switch and never looking back. Paid over 100 bucks for this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ license though so I don't wana feel like it was a waste of money. Windows 10 is the most expensive spyware on the market afaik.

Thats true. Windows is full of crap now and you're paying $100 bucks for a key. Though I still respect older versions of Windows, they will forever be part of me. Windows 7 and 8.

Satya pretty much ruined Windows. Ever since Bill Gates stepped down in 2008. Windows started going downhill after Win7.

x_wing 2019年4月27日 17時30分 
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I'm glad it's working well for you. I booted it up on a thumb drive a couple days ago just to see how much of my steam library would go away if I made the hard switch, and to my surprise more than half of my games were available. More than that if I were to fiddle with WINE to run the windows version. I'm just one bad day with Window$ away from making the switch and never looking back. Paid over 100 bucks for this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ license though so I don't wana feel like it was a waste of money. Windows 10 is the most expensive spyware on the market afaik.

FYI, if you activate steam play the 100% of your library will be shown as available. Of course not every windows game will work but, probably most of them will. I mention this because many talk about wine but having proton it may not be necessary to install it at all.

BTW, for non steam games there is another cool program called Lutris that simplifies the installation and configuration of many games from Origin, Blizzard, etc. Keep it in mind if you ever make the jump.
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No arguments there, KDE is the best DE IMO. I tried it on my Laptop and the desktop alone made me want to make my next PC Build a Dual-Boot with Kubuntu / Win10 Pro.

Can you link me to the KDE your using? I'm pretty much trying everything at this point and seeing what works best for me.

I know I'm late, but I was impressed with the standard version of KDE shipped with Kubuntu. It really felt a lot smoother than Windows. The desktop by itself just felt smoother and faster actually, even my mouse movement. Granted, I tested it out on my Dell Laptop and not my main PC, so I have no idea how well usage of mice w/ High DPI settings translates over to Linux.

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BIG UPDATE: After playing around for a bit with Linux versions, POP OS and KDE NEON are one of my favs RN, if any of you guys are new to linux like me and are kind of stuck on what to choose, you gotta check these two out before anything else!

1st pick for me would be POP OS, it seemed more finished and polished then Neon, also system76 which created POP OS, develops the OS for their computers so its bound to be stable in every update.

But Either will give you a really good experience.

I'm glad it's working well for you. I booted it up on a thumb drive a couple days ago just to see how much of my steam library would go away if I made the hard switch, and to my surprise more than half of my games were available. More than that if I were to fiddle with WINE to run the windows version. I'm just one bad day with Window$ away from making the switch and never looking back. Paid over 100 bucks for this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ license though so I don't wana feel like it was a waste of money. Windows 10 is the most expensive spyware on the market afaik.

You could also check out Lutris as well for non-Steam games. It's a front-end for WINE, meaning if you have WINE and it's dependencies already installed then Lutris will basically allow you to run user-made WINE Scripts tailored for each game. It effectively does the work for you, although performance can vary from game to game and from Wine Version to Wine Version. Steamplay on the other hand, while limited to Steam-titles and "Add-Game to Library" titles, will probably feel much more better in terms of support and performance, although games that require additional launchers, such as EA's Origin, Battlenet, or The Epic Games Store, will generally require the use of WINE Scripts from Lutris to install and run, unless you want to tinker with WINE yourself.
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Agris 2019年4月27日 22時50分 
Devuan (Debian without systemd) and then just install any window manager atop that you want.
Windows.

Because Linux is overall very limited in usability and not suitable at all for home Pcs.
No matter what u want to do in linux, its either not available, much worse, broken or you have to google for hours to get it to work what in a usable OS like Windows takes 2 seconds and a little common sense.

Also for every little ♥♥♥♥ u have to google & type a command which just by itself is extremely annoying.
EE の投稿を引用:
Windows.

Because Linux is overall very limited in usability and not suitable at all for home Pcs.
No matter what u want to do in linux, its either not available, much worse, broken or you have to google for hours to get it to work what in a usable OS like Windows takes 2 seconds and a little common sense.

Also for every little sh*t u have to google & type a command which just by itself is extremely annoying.

Linux is definitely not limited in usability. It'll allow you to do things that Windows would not.
It's deep flexibility may require you to learn a little bit, but everything is very well documented. Furthermore, most distributions will even give you a GUI repository store so you can download most of the things you need and they'll run out of the box.

Good package managers will resolve all dependencies for you.

Consider MacOS. Many people use it, yet it was built on BSD and therefore extremely similar to Linux.

The only thing I'd agree with you here is proprietary software which is aimed at Windows users because Windows has such a huge market share.
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It's also worth noting that dual-booting both Linux and Windows is possible if you have enough storage. Although a Windows Update can potentially affect the Linux Bootloader if both GRUB (Linux Bootloader) and the Windows Boot Loader are on the same disk. You could basically just grab two SSDs, put Windows 10 on one and a Linux distro of your choice on the other, set the Linux Distro to boot first and GRUB should auto-detect Windows and prompt you to choose to boot into Windows or Linux after start-up.

Ideally, a dual-boot would give you "The Best of Both Worlds" so to speak. The freedom of Linux and the compatibility of Windows, and all you need to do is reboot to switch from one to the other. Like I said earlier though, some problems can arise with major Windows Updates as they can potentially wipe GRUB if they're on the same partition.

That won't be necessary for me. I only pay video games and pay bills on my computer. I can't see me using Linux frequently if the only thing Linux benefits me is a faster OS and unique customization.

I will use VMs to experiment with different versions of Linux so when the time does come where most of my Library is available on Linux il make the full jump.
Sounds like a good solution if you want to look at them.

However I don't necessarily feel it's all that much to look at.
I'm so out of date of things but you do have all these fancy new distributions with kinda gimmick UI or pre-configured window environments and such features, possibly something specific for gaming which would be relevant if you actually used it for that but not all that much if you don't. And those come and go and doesn't necessarily stay around whatsoever or supported and fewer people will be working with them and then you've got the a bit larger ones which has been around for a long time.

Rather than kinda "look at what you like" maybe just go with something which seem to share an ideology you like.

Redhat by now is commercial and I guess that and Oracle is used by a bunch of professionals who feel they have those needs and money for support costs.

Fedora is a gratis distribution from the same company as Red Hat and I have a feeling it's very popular among developers. It's a hardened Linux by default which mean that getting some things to "just work" like audio or video acceleration and whatever may be a bit harder because a normal user and a normal program may not be allowed to do what it is you / it want to accomplish because the system is made more secure and restricted by default. I also think they have a pretty strong freedom / free ideology so I assume you get open-source drivers by default which may not run as fast as the proprietary ones but that they want to offer a free (as in open source) operating system and do what's best for Linux and GNU as a whole. Linus Torvals run it and I think like people working on Intel GPU drivers or whatever was using it too? Fedora use fixed versions of the operating system so you run one version and get security upgraded packages and such but at some later time you upgrade to the next version of the operating system.

Debian has been around for a very long time and is very popular too. It used to have the better package manager and more packages. It's also the foundation for what become SteamOS, Ubuntu, Linux mint, .. Freedom ideology is also strong with Debian. Debian may not have the hardening features of Fedora installed by default. Debian also use specific versions, one can run testing or unstable packages for it but the problem with doing so is that you may end up with what those names say ... versions they test and which are unstable and hence a less stable and functional operating system.

Ubuntu was based on Debian and Linux Mint on Ubuntu. Both use specific versions and Ubuntu has always been friendly and have nice guides for it so it's a good newbie distribution. The difference I've been aware of between the two is that Ubuntu support that you upgrade between versions which is a bit convenient whereas Linux Mint at-least before instead encouraged / demanded that you reinstalled the OS between versions. The later isn't as harsh as it may sound as I guess it's pretty easy to get your programs installed again and you have your own home directory with your own files separated from the OS. The later make development easier because they can completely throw out one component and replace it with some other / make large changes without thinking about how to upgrade someones current solution to the new one when upgrading since it's all installed from scratch and hence functional the way you get it. It's not really a disadvantage it's another way of doing it.

OpenSUSE (10+ years ago?) is what I prefered to use at a later time. Debian 20+ years ago. It have a configuration tool called YaST which cover multiple things and put it all in one place and it's also pretty large and popular and got a bunch of packages for it, it's been around just about forever. It may have lost some popularity lately? I don't know. A very long time ago it used to be a KDE distribution than many others like Redhat used Gnome by default. They also had a "Studio" webpage where one could make ones own distribution by deciding how one wanted it to be setup and what it should contain and such and make ones own installer disk for that. OpenSUSE allow you to run both a specific version and as a rolling release (updates all the time) in the later case with versions the development team feel is stable (and I guess destined to go into the next version eventually.)

I also want to mention Clear Linux in here. It's Intels Linux distribution which is compiled/optimized for speed. I don't know how it is to use but yeah, it exist.

Slackware I don't feel comfortable to talk about.
Gentoo used to be about compiling the kernel, operating system, packages yourself. The advantage of that is that you can use the compilation flags you want optimizing for your specific hardware getting a bit more performance but also losing compatibility with other systems.
ArchLinux arrived as kinda a rival to Gentoo doing a similar thing but there you have the option to install pre-combiled binaries OR have them compiled and installed. Using pre-combiled stuff make installations go faster plus others has been running those versions and hopefully they are stable with those configurations whereas at-least with the most aggressive optimization flags before one could run into programs which no longer really worked as intended resulting in crashes.
Gentoo and ArchLinux may be rolling releases, in that you just install it and and then newer things of everything are coming all the time and you just upgrade as you go. In Gentoo there's unstable "ports" / versions of programs marked by a ~ which you can install if you want a newer version but which may also be unstable and not work well with other things in your OS I suppose. Nothing I'd really encourage as I'd definitely pick functionality over having the latest programs but a broken system ..

I think Mandrake died for a while. And then possibly was resurrected. There seem to be OpenMandriva now. I don't really dare to speak about the situation there right now.

I only ran ArchLinux back in version 0.7 and back then the audio mixer dropped control over my microphone which sucked because I used software-based IP telephony back then and they also threw out the whole device system or something resulting in USB not working or something. It's likely more stable and functional now but such ♥♥♥♥ isn't something I want to live with. I've also ran for instance Solaris on x86 and that wasn't very functional and a pain in the butt back then and beyond my capacity but at-least I kinda was aware of that situation and any problems I had I kinda was in charge of / had created myself (Solaris itself isn't unstable. Solaris doesn't break by itself and by its own updates. It was other software I had installed on top of it which didn't work / wasn't made for Solaris and their environment.) I've been perfectly fine with challenges as long as I create them myself and have a clue of why they happen and hence can figure out what may be wrong and fix it (though I don't necessarily want to spend the time in doing so) but I'm not at all interested in having someones elses updates just happen and brake things for me without my control or knowledge about why or how and what to do.. I don't want things to just fall apart by themselves!
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Windows.

Because Linux is overall very limited in usability and not suitable at all for home Pcs.
No matter what u want to do in linux, its either not available, much worse, broken or you have to google for hours to get it to work what in a usable OS like Windows takes 2 seconds and a little common sense.

Also for every little ♥♥♥♥ u have to google & type a command which just by itself is extremely annoying.
I definitely don't agree. Some commercial software like Adobe programs may be lacking, and the options which exist may be worse, then again Adobe may run though Wine I don't know. It would still likely be somewhat inferior. But for many use cases and what is around likely work just fine. The topic not to be discussed on Steam is a thing - personally I'm not up to date or informed there either and as such whatever we talk premium products or even just simple utilities with Windows I'd feel a bit like either I have to pay a fortune buying software and then hope it's fine or privacy breaches, lost data, functional computer and so on by downloading versions of software I don't know if I can trust or not. Using the repository of a Linux distribution I wouldn't fear and even for programs from other source I would feel much safer.

One argument against your argument about using the command line I've seen is that with commands you can at-least just copy a list of them and paste them into the console and run that and whatever it was supposed to do will happen.
Compare that to Windows like say to boot into safe mode you have to search for the right words in the start menu to enable the start up with more options or somehow know that if you click reset while holding in shift that will happen and then when Windows start it's pretty unclear where you should go and at-least on my 1080p screen even after clicking Troubleshoot the option I actually want isn't there but rather one have to click the text which says more something and then click the option I actually want. Which require previous knowledge or having that guide and really be able to read it as you go so you don't miss something because it's not like you can just press a button in Windows which says "reboot into safe mode" (WHY NOT?!)

Also on my computer I can't even use safe mode anyway because I don't remember my account password and while logged in like this I've searched for changing the password and done so and that seem to work there but it kinda seem like that password still isn't the same which is built into Windows or something because when booting to safe mode I have to enter my password and that password doesn't work so ..

BTW I feel it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unclear whatever I can actually access the files on my account from any Windows installation too or whatever they are like locked down with some password and I can't. With Linux I know how that work in Windows I don't know and Windows haven't explained it for me.

Say Ryzen DRAM calculator for instance. That may even have source code available so if you are willing to read that through and check then that would be safe but otherwise downloading something like that from random forum I feel unsafe with. If it instead was a webpage which I uploaded the saved memory module data from Typhoon burner to then I'd feel pretty safe running it. Then again for Typhoon burner. I think there's warnings about Typhoon burner too but I guess those are about what you can do with the program not what the program do by itself but I remember feeling a bit unsafe installing a program I haven't heard about before too. If something was in the standard repositories of a major Linux distribution I wouldn't worry about installing it.
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Snow 2019年4月28日 6時57分 
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Download Manjaro and you can talk to Omega in my FL,.. (he gay tho)
Wow, excuse me, I might not know something vital about Linux. How exactly the places Omega's ♥♥♥♥ goes affect the choice of Linux distro?
Omega 2019年4月29日 12時51分 
I always recommend you start with Ubuntu or a Ubuntu derivative like Kubuntu, Ubuntu Budgie and Linux Mint.

Some non-Ubuntu distros you can start with would be Solus and Manjaro. These distros however are recommended for power users, on these distros stuff can break and you will have to fix it when it does.
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I always recommend you start with Ubuntu or a Ubuntu derivative like Kubuntu, Ubuntu Budgie and Linux Mint.

Some non-Ubuntu distros you can start with would be Solus and Manjaro. These distros however are recommended for power users, on these distros stuff can break and you will have to fix it when it does.

For the average user, I would hands down recommend Ubuntu also, but gaming can be a pain in the ass, or at least that was my experience a few years ago. The upside to the downside is that there is a ton of support, forums, and guides out there for Ubuntu. That is why Pop_OS seems like such a good choice. They have much more up to date drivers and software, while also being based on Ubuntu, so you can take advantage of all that support out in the wild.
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