Problems with Elgato HD picture quality once uploaded to youtube.

[Bing Chilling]

i use the standard external Elgato HD (yes the old one from a few years back) can you please inform me why my videos are always super compressed on youtube? i use the recommended upload bitrates for youtube, should i not compress the file at all? usually these files are around 32k bitrate, and i compress them down to 12-15 (depending on if it's 60fps or not) because a 10 min video that is 32k bit rate is over 2gb, iv tried doing both but it always looks really really compressed on youtube, its not like it look terrible on my pc or in the editing software, i don't use mp4's i use the uncompressed .ts file when i edit, even when i downgrade it from 32k to 12k it looks WAY WAY better on my pc, yet youtube literally recommends i use 12-15k but rate on 1080p 30fps videos. so like whats the deal,how tf do people get such clean looking videos and mine look like a compressed mess.


i mean just take a look, you'd think i didn't have the quality sliders up (its really bad at 1:40) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etl9elgQu3s&t=1s
like it looks pretty much the same as say the internal ps4 or xbox one recorder (terrible) and this is at 1080p @ 30fps with 12k bitrate,
its funny because it looks really really good until i upload it and youtube destroys it , and i know that the video will always look alot better on my pc, but come on the compression in my video's at times makes it look like im using some free recording program with the quality sliders at like half. when i upload the video it's usually a mp4 file, should i upload in a different file type? i can't do the .ts file as "filmora" the editing software i use doesn't support output to .ts files. but even so the mp4 that is around 12k bitrate looked 100x better then the youtube final product,iv even tried uploading uncompressed .ts files straight from the elgato to youtube and they still look like a compressed mess, one thing i noticed tho is it seems to be only when i have it plugged into my pc, take a look at the gears of war video i uploaded,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4LQaT-3ZM&t=1s
it's 1080p @ 30fps with 12k bitrate,it's from my xbox 360 and it look pretty good for a youtube video, it looks like how i\d want my other videos to look and thats not to mention that the 360 only outputs at a native resolution of 720p and is upscaled to 1080p so it's not even native 1080p like my pc videos, but even using the same settings, my pc games look far more compressed, why? i have to be doing something wrong and i would love any help.

[emoticorpse]

Well, first off I'm interested in your post but didn't read the wall of text just yet. If you could upload an actual sample of the captured video itself (even if just a one minute clip) onto like a free upload site or something so I can check it out?.

[fux]

Tbh I have no clue about it, but I would throw a higher bitrate at it. the few videos I uploaded were recorded and rendered with 50k I think for 1080p60 and it looked ok for me. Maybe the resulting filesize is no option for you, but you could try a short test clip to see if that would actually change something

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprungligen skrivet av f.u.x:

Tbh I have no clue about it, but I would throw a higher bitrate at it. the few videos I uploaded were recorded and rendered with 50k I think for 1080p60 and it looked ok for me. Maybe the resulting filesize is no option for you, but you could try a short test clip to see if that would actually change something

i can't. the older standard elgato has a max bitrate of 30Mbps (around 32k bits) the only way to "increase" it would be to render the video in a higher bitrate then recorded at (i have tried this but the result looks really bad, it's the same if i try to render the video from 30fps to 60fps) i can upload two sample clips of the same video, one compressed to the normal 12k and the other uncompressed, but they will look the same. but as i was saying in my post, when i record my xbox 360 it looks good, that gears of war 2 video that is in my original post has the exact same settings (for recording, bitrate,fps and resolution and was rendered out the same way) as the spyro video that i aslo put in my original post. for some reason my pc games look much worse then console once uploaded to youtube. and it's not like the video of my pc games looks bad on my pc, even once i render it out and compress it, only when i upload it to youtube, does it look terrible.

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprungligen skrivet av emoticorpse:

Well, first off I'm interested in your post but didn't read the wall of text just yet. If you could upload an actual sample of the captured video itself (even if just a one minute clip) onto like a free upload site or something so I can check it out?.

im not sure where i could upload an uncompressed version of a video.
but i don't feel like this would really give any insight into the problem,
the video looks great on my pc, uncompressed it looks fantastic, even once i render it out and compress it for youtube it looks good, but once it goes to youtube it's ruined for the most part,
it doesn't even seem to be something with the way im recording,rendering or uploading the video. check the gears of war 2 video that was in my original post, i recorded the spyro and gears video the same way, same everything, and the gears video look far better for no reason....

[emoticorpse]

Ursprungligen skrivet av StoneYoda:

Ursprungligen skrivet av emoticorpse:

Well, first off I'm interested in your post but didn't read the wall of text just yet. If you could upload an actual sample of the captured video itself (even if just a one minute clip) onto like a free upload site or something so I can check it out?.

im not sure where i could upload an uncompressed version of a video.
but i don't feel like this would really give any insight into the problem,
the video looks great on my pc, uncompressed it looks fantastic, even once i render it out and compress it for youtube it looks good, but once it goes to youtube it's ruined for the most part,
it doesn't even seem to be something with the way im recording,rendering or uploading the video. check the gears of war 2 video that was in my original post, i recorded the spyro and gears video the same way, same everything, and the gears video look far better for no reason....

well as far as the pc stuff goes are you capturing pc gaming with the el gato or no just console stuff?.

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprungligen skrivet av emoticorpse:

Ursprungligen skrivet av StoneYoda:

im not sure where i could upload an uncompressed version of a video.
but i don't feel like this would really give any insight into the problem,
the video looks great on my pc, uncompressed it looks fantastic, even once i render it out and compress it for youtube it looks good, but once it goes to youtube it's ruined for the most part,
it doesn't even seem to be something with the way im recording,rendering or uploading the video. check the gears of war 2 video that was in my original post, i recorded the spyro and gears video the same way, same everything, and the gears video look far better for no reason....

well as far as the pc stuff goes are you capturing pc gaming with the el gato?.

uh well yea? kinda the whole point of the post,

why im saying it has the exact same settings
and the gears video looks alot better for no reason.
nothing has changed other then im recording my pc instead of the xbox (literally just move the hdmi cord from the 360 to my gpu on my pc)

[emoticorpse]

Ursprungligen skrivet av StoneYoda:

Ursprungligen skrivet av emoticorpse:

well as far as the pc stuff goes are you capturing pc gaming with the el gato?.

uh well yea? kinda the whole point of the post,

why im saying it has the exact same settings
and the gears video looks alot better for no reason.
nothing has changed other then im recording my pc instead of the xbox (literally just move the hdmi cord from the 360 to my gpu on my pc)

well, what I was gonna say is have you tried capturing your pc gameplay with a program like obs studio?. Or the reason you can't do that is your pc isn't strong enough?.

You can try recording the gameplay with something like OBS studio unless your pc is too weak. I know this doesn't answer your question but you can see if it makes a difference in how youtube treats the captured video. You can look in my videos on my profile and compare, I don't think my videos look much better so you're not alone i guess. I thought that Youtube allows like higher bitrates for people with more views or premium accounts or something.

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprungligen skrivet av emoticorpse:

Ursprungligen skrivet av StoneYoda:

uh well yea? kinda the whole point of the post,

why im saying it has the exact same settings
and the gears video looks alot better for no reason.
nothing has changed other then im recording my pc instead of the xbox (literally just move the hdmi cord from the 360 to my gpu on my pc)

well, what I was gonna say is have you tried capturing your pc gameplay with a program like obs studio?. Or the reason you can't do that is your pc isn't strong enough?.

You can try recording the gameplay with something like OBS studio unless your pc is too weak. I know this doesn't answer your question but you can see if it makes a difference in how youtube treats the captured video. You can look in my videos on my profile and compare, I don't think my videos look much better so you're not alone i guess. I thought that Youtube allows like higher bitrates for people with more views or premium accounts or something.

......... i hate to repeat myself for the like 4th time now, but again
the gears of war video literally looks better then the spyro video.
im not trying to sound like an ass, but man iv said it a few times now that the 360/gears video has far better and lighter compression used then my spyro video. it seems to me that you haven't even watched it to compare.

yes i have tried other recording software the elgato already can push 32k bits so i have to go above that to make it look any better on my pc and even so looks the same as the elgato on youtube regardless of bitrate there's no difference once uploaded.iv used fraps obs and nvidia experience, they all give the same quality of video once uploaded to youtube, so i just use the elgato to avoid the fps hit, it's also alot better that i can have all the recording stuff on my laptops screen instead of on the background of my actual pc.

clearly something is wrong with the way i am uploading,recording or rendering the video with pc games,

someone who owns one of these cards would be really nice help,

[AbedsBrother]

Youtube ♥♥♥♥♥ up video when you upload it. It's been that way for a while. YouTube is always going to compress your video after you upload it. All you can do is upload videos in the highest quality possible so that YouTube's compression algorithm will have the best data to work with. Why does one video look better than another? Who knows. Not worth losing sleep over.

I do recommend recording in 60fps and uploading 60fps videos. Makes a big difference, quality-wise. I also recommend rendering via h265. Produces a higher-quality file at the same bitrate.

I believe YouTube has a different compression algorithm for 1440p and 4k videos - Total Biscuit back in the day did some comparisons on this topic, and would up-render his 1080p videos to 1440p to basically trick YouTube into using the better compression algorithm. No idea if this is still the case though.

[Bing Chilling]

so far iv found that rendering out the video in 4k and having the same "total bitrate" match the original uncompressed .ts file is giving me the best outcome, giving it anymore or less is degrading quality.
this is the best iv got so far, and at 4k it looks good but if you switch it to 1080p it looks pretty bad so idk, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH7an2iic8s

i also tried one at 50k bitrate (the recommended bitrate for 30fps 4k video's but idk it looks a lil worse, and the file was like 2x the size) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27k0EVoDeTA

currently uploading a 720p60fps up scaled to 1440p 60fps video right now, ill update this post with it once it's uploaded

Edit: so here are the results
these are both the same clips, recorded at a native 720p internal resolution @ 60fps (the game was being rendered on my gpu at 720p aswell)
the elgato was reporting 15Mbps (16k bits) but on my computer it was reporting a total bitrate of 30278 exactly.

this first one here is the uncompressed .ts file with no changes.and not rendered through anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcmoSD4CvDQ

this second one is the same clip rendered through filmora at 1440p (2560x1440p) @60fps with a bitrate of 30278 exactly. the difference is huge imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqi5FHHC0eY

[Bad 💀 Motha]

In the end, YT reapplies all its own compression to uploaded videos. They will never look as clear/crisp as the original

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Bad 💀 Motha:

In the end, YT reapplies all its own compression to uploaded videos. They will never look as clear/crisp as the original

i know this, i'v said it a few times now.....

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well get a better card, since your card does not allow a better bit rate from the start, which is needed to capture the original quality as best as possible.

[AbedsBrother]

Ursprungligen skrivet av StoneYoda:

so far iv found that rendering out the video in 4k and having the same "total bitrate" match the original uncompressed .ts file is giving me the best outcome, giving it anymore or less is degrading quality.
this is the best iv got so far, and at 4k it looks good but if you switch it to 1080p it looks pretty bad so idk, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH7an2iic8s

i also tried one at 50k bitrate (the recommended bitrate for 30fps 4k video's but idk it looks a lil worse, and the file was like 2x the size) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27k0EVoDeTA

currently uploading a 720p60fps up scaled to 1440p 60fps video right now, ill update this post with it once it's uploaded

Edit: so here are the results
these are both the same clips, recorded at a native 720p internal resolution @ 60fps (the game was being rendered on my gpu at 720p aswell)
the elgato was reporting 15Mbps (16k bits) but on my computer it was reporting a total bitrate of 30278 exactly.

this first one here is the uncompressed .ts file with no changes.and not rendered through anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcmoSD4CvDQ

this second one is the same clip rendered through filmora at 1440p (2560x1440p) @60fps with a bitrate of 30278 exactly. the difference is huge imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqi5FHHC0eY

That last one (the 1440p render) easily looks the best. Less pixelating & muddy - just a cleaner picture overall. So I guess the whole "1440p uses a different compression algorithm" thing is still true.

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AbedsBrother:

Ursprungligen skrivet av StoneYoda:

so far iv found that rendering out the video in 4k and having the same "total bitrate" match the original uncompressed .ts file is giving me the best outcome, giving it anymore or less is degrading quality.
this is the best iv got so far, and at 4k it looks good but if you switch it to 1080p it looks pretty bad so idk, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH7an2iic8s

i also tried one at 50k bitrate (the recommended bitrate for 30fps 4k video's but idk it looks a lil worse, and the file was like 2x the size) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27k0EVoDeTA

currently uploading a 720p60fps up scaled to 1440p 60fps video right now, ill update this post with it once it's uploaded

Edit: so here are the results
these are both the same clips, recorded at a native 720p internal resolution @ 60fps (the game was being rendered on my gpu at 720p aswell)
the elgato was reporting 15Mbps (16k bits) but on my computer it was reporting a total bitrate of 30278 exactly.

this first one here is the uncompressed .ts file with no changes.and not rendered through anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcmoSD4CvDQ

this second one is the same clip rendered through filmora at 1440p (2560x1440p) @60fps with a bitrate of 30278 exactly. the difference is huge imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqi5FHHC0eY

That last one (the 1440p render) easily looks the best. Less pixelating & muddy - just a cleaner picture overall. So I guess the whole "1440p uses a different compression algorithm" thing is still true.

it can't decide if i like the 720p-1440p upscale or the 1080p-4k upscale more,
i prefer the 60fps but i hate having to play games at 720p (the elgato forces you to play at 720p if you wanna record at 60fps, for some reason you can't record a 720p 60fps video if you are running anyhigher resolution,it just will record at 30 until you switch your native resolution to 720p, some games like spyro look fine, but say siege or like gta 5, they don't look that great.) the file sizes are the same, because a 720p 60fps video has pretty much the same bitrate as a 1080p 30fps video. i think ill be going on a game by game bases. as some games look good at 720p and other don't.