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Whatever you buy, it should have DisplayPort, use that connection
I had typed out a big paragraph, oh well.....Here we go again.
You've done a good job for someone that's just got into monitors.
Most people ignore a lot of the stuff on monitors, and read the box and go >WOW! 1MS! THAT'S GREAT!, you actually took the time to look into most of it, good job.
Now, for the HDR support, just ignore it. Most 'entry level HDR' is pure garbage, if I'm not mistaken, all it does it turn the brightness of the monitor up, and won't really change.
On it's lower levels, it's just a marketing gimmick. I wouldn't pay any attention to it.
As for FRC, Frame Rate Control; basically it switches between 2 colours really fast to create a new colour that can't actually be displayed, so it does that to trick your eyes into seeing the colour.
But once you get past 8bit, it doesn't really matter much, because it can already display so many colours, the only time it'll really matter is content creation, if you're super serious.
And, response time, it's generally fine so long as it's faster than it takes for the monitor to update to the next frame (in this case, 6.9ms for 144hz.) if it's slower, it would cause ghosting/blurs.
Alright, now to get into the monitors;
The Acer XF270HU, It's pretty bad.
The only difference I saw between the XF270HU and HUA are panel revision, they don't seem to have changed anything though.
It has an average pixel response time of 12ms (on a website I trust, if you have a link to where it says it's better, could you provide it?)
(It does have a freesync range of 48-144hz, which is pretty good.)
I would say no to this one, personally.
The Asus MG279Q, while it is old, it shouldn't cause any problems..
Average 4ms pixel response time, not bad.
But, as you said 'issues with it not supporting 144hz with freesync.'
You're both wrong and right at the same time.
The monitor has a freesync range of 35-90hz. Meaning it can only sync the monitors refresh rate to the FPS so long as it stays within 35-90fps (Resulting in no tearing, or gittering, and removes a lot of delay from it being out of sync, and lower refreshrates.)
If it goes above the 90fps range however, it will be able to tear, because the frame buffer is no longer synced. This could be a problem, in a lot of use cases (gaming), because tearing is pretty bad. However, personally, I don't notice it past 120 fps.
The Acer XV272UP does seem the worst of the bunch; simply for lack of information about the panel.
I couldn't find any stats on it either, beyond it's freesync range (40-144hz.)
It does have 95% DCI-P3 coverage, that means it can display a wider range of colours than sRGB, but that's a given considering it's an 8-bit+FRC panel.
And, I doubt it would make that much difference over 99-100% sRGB.
I wouldn't even consider this monitor.
So, if you HAD to pick one, I would say the Asus MG279Q.
BUT, I urge you to save for more, you don't want to cheap out on a monitor.
Because all of these are pretty bad, and you can't get good without spending big. Which is a shame. It's the reason why I picked a good TN over a cheap IPS.
Honestly, unless you're not doing any content creation work, a TN would serve you better at that price point. Sure, colours are worse, but a good calibrated one should do you well, and should suit all your needs.
If you would consider saving for a better monitor, I recommend getting the ASUS RoG Swift PG279Q. Great IPS panel, so I hear.
If you're avid on staying at that price point, but consider a TN panel, some of the good ones I can recommend are;
The Dell S2716DG (I've got one, the colours and viewing angles are great.)
The Acer Predator XB271HUA (Same panel as the S2716DG, just pick which of the two is cheapest, or which ones aesthetic you like more.)
You could also consider a VA panel, but I'm not familiar with any good models.
They're better than IPS in terms of contrast, they've got better deeper blacks, and great colours (not IPS good, but better than TN.)
So they're great for content viewing, like videos and youtube.
Downside is, they're not great for gaming, because they generally have lots of input lag, and slow pixel response.
Edit ; That's a big wall lmao.
XF270HU(A):
I couldn't actually find a specific number on the response time, but most reviews i read claimed it had good responsiveness and low input lag. I figured that meant atleast around the ~6.9-mark required for 144hz, but if you have a trusted source saying ~12ms i should probably avoid it...
Reviews mentioning good response & low input lag:
https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/pc-performance/1406032/acer-xf270hua-review-best-gaming-monitor
https://www.144hzmonitors.com/reviews/acer-xf270hu-review/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4pp8g4/acer_xf270hu_any_good/ (Top-comment includes YT link to a review)
Then again, my knowledge on monitors is limited, so i don't know which sites to trust and which i should avoid.
Asus MG279Q:
So issues with tearing and jittering would mainly occur in the 90-120 fps mark? Just to make sure i understood you correctly.
TN Monitors:
I looked a fair bit into these aswell, and my pick actually ended at a model very similar to the Dell you recommend, named Dell S2719DGF. The main difference between the two seems to be G-Sync compability. If the two monitors have any other differences i should be aware of, please let me know.
The Dell S2719DGF got a lot of positive feedback, but the reason i initially moved on from this monitor was the ~medicore scores some reviews gave it in color quality/contrasts. But maybe i should reconsider one of those two Dell-monitors.
I don't do graphic work or anything like that. I'm expecting to use my future monitor for gaming, browsing and watching videos/series/movies. People seem to agree that TN-Panels are good for the first two, but when it comes to watching video-content on such Panel, people tend to disagree a lot. So if i go with a TN, i want to be as sure as possible that it's in the higher quality of those panels, when it comes to colors and contrasts.
The XF270HU; While those reviews speak highly of it, and do speak well of it. They don't go as In-depth as I'd like. But they do say that there isn't that much ghosting.
(Maybe there is an option on it that improves the pixel response? I see if I can find anything relating to it.)
The Asus MG279Q, tearing would happen when in the FPS ranges of 1-35 and 91-144, it just depends where your eyes are able to notice it.
(Personally, past 120fps, I don't really notice tearing, and it doesn't bother me that much anyway, I perfer having a responsive experience than having a little slice in the picture sometimes.)
But, it's entirely subjective, the only way you'd know if you can see it, is if you look at it.
As the the TN panels;
The S2716DG and S2719DGF.
At first I thought they were pretty much the same, just the S2716DG had G-sync, and the S2719DGF had Freesync, BUT...I was mistaken.
The S2719DGF has a different stand, worse colours, worse pixel response time (2ms+ higher), and a higher input lag (5ms higher).....So I wouldn't go with that.
So, that would explain why they gave it bad reviews, lmao.
If you have an Nvidia GPU, and are willing to pay a little more for G-sync. I would recommend it.
You get a great range with G-sync, 24-144(or whatever the max of the monitor is.)hz, and, you're guaranteed a good experience, and it 'just working', since Nvidia do loads of testing on a panel before it goes out.
Whereas with freesync they just slap it on and ship it. While, it does work in most cases, it can still have some issues depending on models, it doesn't have any standard, it quite literally is just 'slap and go.'
(Now, enough shilling for G-sync. Lmao.)
I've got the S2716DG, and the S2417DG (the 24 inch version of the S27.)
The S27 I've got, it looks great, it really does rival that of an decent IPS, colour calibration out of the factory was great. Build quality is brilliant. Viewing angles really did impress me, I got to about 170 degrees of the panel front, and could still see the image in near perfect clarity (because it was literally sideways, lmao.)
I was impressed with it that much, I had to look up if they change the panel type with later revisions.
Turns out, on their older revisions, they didn't really calibrate anything, but the later versions, because people complained, they did, and boy does it look great.
My S24, while I use it all the time, has a little to be desired.
The colours were a bit trashy, and there was lots of colour banding, with time I tweaked Nvidia settings, and got it right, but that's not really what the average user wants to do.
I only got this for the size, 24inch (the 165hz was a bonus), it's the perfect display size for me, I can see everything with minimal movements of my eyes. (Because I'm a 'gamer', it makes it easier than turning my head.)
But, my S24, was an older revision, a 04 if I'm not mistaken....(Or was it 05?)
The revisions 01 through 05 were the bad ones, and the ones after that were the good ones. (Why the S27 looked good, because it an 07 revision.)
And, I'm pretty sure they didn't do any revisions past 05 on the S24....Could be wrong though.
Honestly, a good TN will do you just as good as a cheap-midrange IPS.
If you're not doing content creation that requires great colours, then it doesn't matter all that much, but sure, it's nice to have.
You could always order it, and then try it for a little while, and then return it if you don't like it.
(With any of the monitors.)
If you do have an Nvidia GPU, I highly recommend getting the S2716DG.
I found a very in-depth review from TFTCentral on an earlier model, XB270HU,[www.tftcentral.co.uk] and it got an average response time of 5.9 ms with proper settings. However, this model is not selling anymore in my country. From what i could find, it has the same panel as the XF270HU (AUO_M279DAN0 2.3), but i don't know if this neccesarily means that they can reach similar response times.
Have a friend using the Asus MG279Q, perhaps i can ask if he experienced any tearing or likely. Don't think he has the FreeSync enabled at all but im not sure.
Will look some more into the S2716DG, sounds like you really appreciate it. I've ordered parts for a new pc (also the reason i'm looking for a new monitor, figured it'd be wasted on a 60hz monitor lol). The graphics card is an RTX2070, so i suppose G-Sync would work well in this case?
Also, may i ask the name of the site where you can find those response times and input-lag? Would be nice to have if i run into other monitors i want to check
At stock settings, it's about 11-12ms average pixel response, but with a setting (''overdrive'') it can achieve about 4-6ms average pixel response, most likely, the other people that tested had this setting enabled, resulting in less ghosting.
So, it doesn't make it a bad choice. Shame you can't buy it in your country anymore.
And yeah, do that, ask him what he thinks of the monitor, ask him to be as critical as possible about it. You want to know EVERY downside.
Yeah, 1080p60hz just doesn't cut it, lmao. When you first see 1440p144hz, you'll be amazed by the difference. After owning my monitor for half a year now, I still just sit back and go, wow, this is actually so nice to look at. Smooth, crisp. (Shame the S24 has SOME colour banding in some places, it depends on what I'm doing....Generally fine, but when it does band, I get a little sad. But as before, the S27 (07 rev), doesn't have those issues.)
The website I use? Almost everything I've seen on the website is right. There is still lack of info for some panels, so as usual, do look into other places to see what you can find (because when they don't have the info, they leave it blank, or use the 'manifacturer rated' spec, which is usually wrong.
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en
Pretty cool feature, you can 'compare' multiple monitors, to see all their specs on one page, so you don't have to keep swaping pages. Which can get annoying if you're looking at loads of stuff lmao.
Also, if you are considering the S2716DG, it does go on sale quite often on Amazon. (Right now, it's 26% off, £430. Pretty decent.)
And I've used G-sync ever since I got this monitor, and I've never experienced any input-lag or delay problems with it enabled. (If there was any, it was really, really, really, tiny, and unnoticeable.)
Yeah the XB270HU is unavalible here, but the XF270HU can still be bought. Do you know if the XF270HU can also get down around the 6 ms-mark with overdrive, or if its stuck around those 11-12 ms?
Ah ok. So considering the Overdrive-option, would you consider the Acer XF270HU a viable option, or do you still think i should opt for something else? If so, then what do you think it still lacks?
I did just give it a look, someone says it's freesync runs fine with Nvidia GPU. Which is great (You gotta check, because sometimes they flash and go blurry, it's awful.)
The only gripe I have with it, to this point, is the stand, it doesn't look the best. But it's up to you if it bothers you.
I would still remain open to the Dell S2716DG, for the same price point. But it has G-sync, which is better than Free-sync. (And is always going to work.)
Or the ASUS RoG Swift PG279Q ; A better IPS with Gsync, and 165hz (not really much difference between 144 and 165hz, but it's still a bonus.)
Downside is, it costs like 200 quid more.
Thank you for all the answers, and help with research aswell. You definitely gave some food for thought. Hopefully i can make a decision within too long
Personally, my ultrawide came flawless. No issues. However Acer support is not great if you have questions or issues, they will be a nightmare to deal with. But hardware wise. Its $800 well spent