Intel I7 7700 to Intel I7 9700

[Rusty]

Dear community,

I've recently upgraded my cpu from an I7 7700 to an I7 9700. I know small change. But a friend could use a better cpu so I upgraded mine. Anyhow, Once I installed the cpu and booted the pc, it worked fine, detected cpu nothing wrong. Untill I launched an application. Everytime I launch an application it takes very long to open the application and my desktop starts lagging like crazy. First I assumed throttling but I checked the temps and they are fine, sitting at around 45¨C.

What I have tried:
* Unscrewing cooler and reinstalling it.
* Clean windows install and wiping hard drives.
*Googling for this issue but came up emptyhanded.
*Checked drivers to see if the old once were still there, they are not.

I'm out of ideas, but it is an expensive cpu and I really don't wanne have to pass it aside.

System specs: Intel I7 9700, RTX 2080, 2x8 DDR4 RAM, Windows 10 Pro.

If there is anyway you guys can help, i'm open for ideas. Sorry if my english isn't what you'd excpected, but it isn't my native language.

Thanks

[Rusty]

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Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

Is the overclocking part the only reason why I should switch mobo? Cuz I don't need my cpu overclocked atm.

Z390 will have better power delivery as well, potentially resulting in better boost clocks, if the B365 is a hindrance with its power delivery spec, but that remains to be seen.

It's better to have the ability to overclock down the line, because Intel is not adding their next gen until 2021 at the earliest as far as I can see.

Well, i'll think bout that, but that still leaves me with the issue that my cpu doesn't work the way its supposed to. If I buy a new mobo, how will I know it won't just be the same as the current problem?

[Komrade]

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Първоначално публикувано от Escorve:

Z390 will have better power delivery as well, potentially resulting in better boost clocks, if the B365 is a hindrance with its power delivery spec, but that remains to be seen.

It's better to have the ability to overclock down the line, because Intel is not adding their next gen until 2021 at the earliest as far as I can see.

Well, i'll think bout that, but that still leaves me with the issue that my cpu doesn't work the way its supposed to. If I buy a new mobo, how will I know it won't just be the same as the current problem?

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-B365M-A/HelpDesk_CPU/

You might need a BIOS update.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Why didn't you buy a Z390 board???

[Rusty]

Cheapest from all of em. Pc part picker m8 :D

[r.linder]

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Cheapest from all of em. Pc part picker m8 :D

Cheaper doesn't mean better, or good at all. If you can't afford Z390 and a 9700K, you shouldn't be buying Intel, rather you should be buying AMD. Specifically the R5 3600 and a B450 Tomahawk MAX.

[Rusty]

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Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

Cheapest from all of em. Pc part picker m8 :D

Cheaper doesn't mean better, or good at all. If you can't afford Z390 and a 9700K, you shouldn't be buying Intel, rather you should be buying AMD. Specifically the R5 3600 and a B450 Tomahawk MAX.

Its not that I can't afford it, its that I already waste a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of money on pc parts. If I can go cheaper, i'll try to do that.

Now for the update. The BIOS Update is done, and it fixed the issue with the lag.
Thanks for the help.

[r.linder]

Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

Първоначално публикувано от Escorve:

Cheaper doesn't mean better, or good at all. If you can't afford Z390 and a 9700K, you shouldn't be buying Intel, rather you should be buying AMD. Specifically the R5 3600 and a B450 Tomahawk MAX.

Its not that I can't afford it, its that I already waste a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of money on pc parts. If I can go cheaper, i'll try to do that.

Now for the update. The BIOS Update is done, and it fixed the issue with the lag.
Thanks for the help.

Well you made a mistake, because the whole point of Intel is the overclockability, as competition on AMD side defeats the purpose of running Intel at stock. You get less bang for buck by not overclocking an Intel K chip because you're not making the most of what you paid for.
Everyone will question your decision because of this.

[Komrade]

Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

Първоначално публикувано от Escorve:

Cheaper doesn't mean better, or good at all. If you can't afford Z390 and a 9700K, you shouldn't be buying Intel, rather you should be buying AMD. Specifically the R5 3600 and a B450 Tomahawk MAX.

Its not that I can't afford it, its that I already waste a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of money on pc parts. If I can go cheaper, i'll try to do that.

Now for the update. The BIOS Update is done, and it fixed the issue with the lag.
Thanks for the help.

No problem.

[Rusty]

Първоначално публикувано от Escorve:

Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

Its not that I can't afford it, its that I already waste a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of money on pc parts. If I can go cheaper, i'll try to do that.

Now for the update. The BIOS Update is done, and it fixed the issue with the lag.
Thanks for the help.

Well you made a mistake, because the whole point of Intel is the overclockability, as competition on AMD side defeats the purpose of running Intel at stock. You get less bang for buck by not overclocking an Intel K chip because you're not making the most of what you paid for.
Everyone will question your decision because of this.

I don't buy Intel for the overclockability. Last time I used an AMD product, my pc had random crashes on the daily. So its more a quality preference then an price preference. I never said I wasn't gonna overclock, I just don't feel the need right now. But I appreciate your explanation. I'm not into intel vs amd or nvidia vs amd. I just buy what for me looks like the best option. And for cpu that was intel.

[hawkeye]

Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

Първоначално публикувано от Escorve:

Well you made a mistake, because the whole point of Intel is the overclockability, as competition on AMD side defeats the purpose of running Intel at stock. You get less bang for buck by not overclocking an Intel K chip because you're not making the most of what you paid for.
Everyone will question your decision because of this.

I don't buy Intel for the overclockability. Last time I used an AMD product, my pc had random crashes on the daily. So its more a quality preference then an price preference. I never said I wasn't gonna overclock, I just don't feel the need right now. But I appreciate your explanation. I'm not into intel vs amd or nvidia vs amd. I just buy what for me looks like the best option. And for cpu that was intel.

Rusty, ignore the amd fanboys. Overclocking a 9700 isn't going to do anything because the 9700 at stock is already faster than any current gpu can handle.

You can see in this review the difference in fps between a 9700 at stock and full overclock with the fastest gpu available. 0 to 3%.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3421-intel-i7-9700k-review-benchmark-vs-8700k-and-more

All intel cpus and mobos support operating the pc above stock speeds. The main difference between a B365 and Z390 mobo is the upper limit of how high the cpu and memory can be overclocked. The problem was never going to be buying a B365 mobo.

However your psu might need replacement in the fullness of time. If it's more than a few years old it might not be able to provide the level of smoothness in power feeds required by modern hardware.

There is a psu tier list. High end gaming systems run best with a Tier A or higher.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40-rev-201/

[r.linder]

Първоначално публикувано от hawkeye:

Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

I don't buy Intel for the overclockability. Last time I used an AMD product, my pc had random crashes on the daily. So its more a quality preference then an price preference. I never said I wasn't gonna overclock, I just don't feel the need right now. But I appreciate your explanation. I'm not into intel vs amd or nvidia vs amd. I just buy what for me looks like the best option. And for cpu that was intel.

Rusty, ignore the amd fanboys. Overclocking a 9700 isn't going to do anything because the 9700 at stock is already faster than any current gpu can handle.

You can see in this review the difference in fps between a 9700 at stock and full overclock with the fastest gpu available. 0 to 3%.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3421-intel-i7-9700k-review-benchmark-vs-8700k-and-more

All intel cpus and mobos support operating the pc above stock speeds. The main difference between a B365 and Z390 mobo is the upper limit of how high the cpu and memory can be overclocked. The problem was never going to be buying a B365 mobo.

However your psu might need replacement in the fullness of time. If it's more than a few years old it might not be able to provide the level of smoothness in power feeds required by modern hardware.

There is a psu tier list. High end gaming systems run best with a Tier A or higher.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40-rev-201/

1. Nobody is fanboying here. You're just getting mad that people support AMD because their chips are more cost effective than Intel's chips.
The difference between the 3600 and 9700K is usually within 10~15 FPS in most cases, but the 3600 uses less considerably power (usually around 50W less on average in raw power consumption) and costs around 160$ USD less than the 9700K.
So don't mistake facts for just plain fanboying, because it only makes you look like the fanboy for sticking by Intel despite how much of a joke they're making themselves to be.

2. ~3% is still a difference, so your statement that OC won't do anything is immediately false. It's free performance.

3. Depending on how cheap the power delivery is, it can prove to be inefficient. A huge example of this on AMD side is with the A320 motherboards, a lot of which struggled even to fully handle the stock turbo speed of the R3 1200.
Many cheaper B450 motherboards like the B450M-DS3H do not handle higher power chips like the 2700X as well as X470 boards did, something that I've tested myself. My DS3H only runs the 2700X at 4 GHz under normal gaming loads, while my X470 Gaming 7 was consistently 4.3~4.35 with one core boosting up to 4.5 GHz.
It all comes down to the power delivery.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

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if you have a 7700 right now, your motherboard will not support 9th gen.

I also purchased a new motherboard to fit along with the new cpu.
Used pcpartpicker to match em. I'm not good at that socket and chipset stuff. But pcpartpicker said no errors.

Update the new motherboard's BIOS

[Komrade]

Първоначално публикувано от TehSpoopyKitteh:

Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

I also purchased a new motherboard to fit along with the new cpu.
Used pcpartpicker to match em. I'm not good at that socket and chipset stuff. But pcpartpicker said no errors.

Update the new motherboard's BIOS

OP did.

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Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

Well, i'll think bout that, but that still leaves me with the issue that my cpu doesn't work the way its supposed to. If I buy a new mobo, how will I know it won't just be the same as the current problem?

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-B365M-A/HelpDesk_CPU/

You might need a BIOS update.

Първоначално публикувано от Rusty:

Първоначално публикувано от Escorve:

Cheaper doesn't mean better, or good at all. If you can't afford Z390 and a 9700K, you shouldn't be buying Intel, rather you should be buying AMD. Specifically the R5 3600 and a B450 Tomahawk MAX.

Its not that I can't afford it, its that I already waste a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of money on pc parts. If I can go cheaper, i'll try to do that.

Now for the update. The BIOS Update is done, and it fixed the issue with the lag.
Thanks for the help.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

This topic is solved folks.
Now they just debating on motherboard choice. But I have to agree, you only buy a Intel "B" chipset for locked cpus and for cheaper systems overall. Never use them for a "K" model cpu. Yes it supports those, but it's always a question of how well can it really handle them due to poorer VRMs and ram support. Always use a Intel "Z" chipset for a "K" cpu

[ericcui1]

Първоначално публикувано от Bad 💀 Motha:

This topic is solved folks.
Now they just debating on motherboard choice. But I have to agree, you only buy a Intel "B" chipset for locked cpus and for cheaper systems overall. Never use them for a "K" model cpu. Yes it supports those, but it's always a question of how well can it really handle them due to poorer VRMs and ram support. Always use a Intel "Z" chipset for a "K" cpu

i7 9700 non K exists, you know~