PC build between £700-1000 new to PC dont have a clue
Hey guys I'm a true gamer that has put alot of time into my xbox, I'd say I play alot of high end games and i dont have a clue where to start on what gaming pc to buy, I have a budget and I can only finance so it will have to be from pcspecialist or anywhere else you guys know about with low interest, I'm really stuck and I just want the best setup I can possibly get for the money or please if it is not enough for top end high quality gaming please let me know as I know it wont be the best but I would like to atleast run any game on high settings, any advice would be amazing thanks guys.
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there will be no game you wont be able to play - some games could run with higher fps on a mroe expensive setup but every game should be easily played with 60+ fps
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ChrisG811:
I know and that's the trouble it's just me worrying about spending all that money and coming across a game that cant be played because my build isn't powerful enough, I dont plan to spend much more it's just when you see the improvements of a higher PCU you get the idea that really I should be upping my budget, as you said it can make a good difference on powerful games? I dont get how it's better if it has the same ghz

The 2700X has 2 more cores and 4 more threads, threads are very useful in games and so in more demanding games where more threads are needed the 2700X is far better. There aren't many games that use more than 8 cores though. It's your budget, and if you think you can expand it a lil for the 2700X why not, it's not much more expensive and you'll be gaining 2 more cores, 4 more threads and a 300Mhz higher base clock. The 2700X has a base clock of 3.7GHz where the 2600 has a base clock of 3.4GHz. The only real disadvantage to the 2700X is that it'll definitely produce more heat as it has a TDP thats 45W higher than the 2600. It does come with a Wraith Prism RGB cooler though which does a pretty good job of cooling it. It makes more sense to overclock a 2700X than it does a 2600, but if you plan to overclock a 2700X you'll need more than the stock cooler.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qlvpZ5Oszk - notice in some games the 2700X gets 10-15 more fps but in others it has less than 3 and even the same fps as the 2600. That's because the games aren't making use of the extra resources available on the 2700X.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από calluM; 8 Αυγ 2019, 14:32
Well I reckon I can get the 2700x for about 190 which is only 70 i know it sounds like alot but like you said in the long run it could end up better, and the fan it comes with is fine for the minute yes? I made a bid on ebay for one just then for 180 so time to see if i can get some deals
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Well I reckon I can get the 2700x for about 190 which is only 70 i know it sounds like alot but like you said in the long run it could end up better, and the fan it comes with is fine for the minute yes? I made a bid on ebay for one just then for 180 so time to see if i can get some deals

At stock with no overclocking the cooler it comes with is completely fine, and will look nice in your case as it has a nice RGB ring on top. If you can get it for the 180 on ebay that'll be a nice deal. If not, I'd say keep to the 2600 and put the extra money towards a WiFi adapter/network card if you can't use ethernet.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από calluM; 8 Αυγ 2019, 14:50
I'm definitely going to get the ryzen 7 2700x the fan did seem a little loud in a video I watched but I'm putting it down to the video! and I'm going to stick with the 2060 super graphics card. I have got a bid on ebay for 180 for the cpu but if it fails I can get it for 200 online anyway. And you guys were right about overclocking, I have seen from a couple sources that overclocking is not worth it, who knows maybe in the future but for now I think I will be more than happy coming from a xbox one x to a decent gaming pc!
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Tiberius:


Did you even watch the video?


2060s has aroun 80~120 avg fps at 1080p. 2070s gives almost 20fps more. :steamfacepalm: with 2070s, he can utilize the monitor refresh rate fully and doesnt need to worry abt screen tearing too mucb.

if you actually bother to read what i wrote, you would knw he could save 120$ from his original build and still keep the 1080p 144hz monitor. Then he can use that money to upgrade his gpu to 2070s (Gosh how many times do i have to explain this)

So what your saying is £250-£300 justifies 20 more frames at 1080p when OP is clearly on a budget? His pc is already pretty balanced money wise, that 120 dollars saved from the original price means nothing when a 2070S is almost double the cost of a 2060S. He's still going to be putting an extra £150-£170 on top of his budget if he does what you say to trim his budget down. I know if I were on a budget I wouldn't be overthrowing it by £100 or more for the sake of 20 frames, if he's already hitting 120fps, he isnt going to notice any difference at 144.

It's not 300£ more. The 2070s gpu htat i linked is exactly just 120£ more than the gpu he use in his build. :steamfacepalm:

20 more frames is A LOT OF FRAMES

I think i lost so many brain cells on this conversation
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Tiberius; 8 Αυγ 2019, 17:15
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So what your saying is £250-£300 justifies 20 more frames at 1080p when OP is clearly on a budget? His pc is already pretty balanced money wise, that 120 dollars saved from the original price means nothing when a 2070S is almost double the cost of a 2060S. He's still going to be putting an extra £150-£170 on top of his budget if he does what you say to trim his budget down. I know if I were on a budget I wouldn't be overthrowing it by £100 or more for the sake of 20 frames, if he's already hitting 120fps, he isnt going to notice any difference at 144.

It's not 300£ more. The 2070s gpu htat i linked is exactly just 120£ more than the gpu he use in his build. :steamfacepalm:

20 more frames is A LOT OF FRAMES

I think i lost so many brain cells on this conversation

Then I was clearly mistaken. A quick look on pcpartpicker comparison was all I went off. 20 frames is a lot yes, but a 2070S isn't necessary when the 2060S is already very capable at 1080p. What you're suggesting is to cut corners on the overall experience for the sake of 20 more frames. And like Autumn said, with adaptive sync those 20 frames won't even make a difference when it comes to screen tearing.

Your suggestion was to get a used keyboard and mouse, his keyboard and mouse chosen is only £80 for both. If he gets a mouse and keyboard used he's still going to be paying £20, so he's only saving £60, idk where you keep getting £100 saved from. And all of that will be if he gets a 1080p 144Hz monitor which is underkill for a 2070 Super. Why would anyone want to use anything less than a 1440p monitor with a 2070 Super when a 2060 Super is £130 cheaper and perfectly capable of 1080p 144Hz in most titles?
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από calluM; 8 Αυγ 2019, 17:35
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True, I suppose I'm kinda one of them too.

I'm a late early adapter but couldn't care less about the new Super cards. I managed to snag a new 2080 Strix OC from Amazon for £100 cheaper than the 2080 Super a few weeks ago, with a little overclock to 2.1GHz and +650 on the memory its now running as good as/better than a 2080 Super. It was a big purchase to make, but overall I'm glad I did as RTX cards are beastly. You'll definitely enjoy it.
Same, i picked up a RTX 2080ti for £900. I couldn't pass up that deal.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ChrisG811:
I'm definitely going to get the ryzen 7 2700x the fan did seem a little loud in a video I watched but I'm putting it down to the video! and I'm going to stick with the 2060 super graphics card. I have got a bid on ebay for 180 for the cpu but if it fails I can get it for 200 online anyway. And you guys were right about overclocking, I have seen from a couple sources that overclocking is not worth it, who knows maybe in the future but for now I think I will be more than happy coming from a xbox one x to a decent gaming pc!

I would go for a 3600 instead, not even the X variant since it's barely worth it.

It's a lot more power efficient, which helps thermals, yes the Ryzen 7 has more cores and so on but most games still benefit more from single core speeds. Most important of all, it offers better performance for less money. Even a superficial glance at UserBenchmark and some reviews online will reveal as much.

Also, before you expressed concern about not being able to run games. That won't happen, I assure you. But since you mentioned being a hair OCD, I know what you mean about constantly tinkering and having FOMO that you're not getting the best for your dough. You want to know how WELL it will work.

Let me post a concrete example of a build I did recently and how it performed, that always helps me clear my head:

Motherboard: ASUS PRIME B450M-A
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X (Zen2 weren't available at the time) with Enermax ETS-T50 cooler (got it cheap, stock cooler is fine)
GPU: ASUS GTX 1660 Ti OC
RAM: G.Skill AEGIS 16GB 3000MHz
SSD: Intel 660p 512GB
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 650W
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400S

Price: 1009€, I later added a nice 24" LG monitor, I sacrificed the refresh rate for an IPS panel since the person asked for and IPS monitor, but I was still able to get a 75Hz panel at least, which is not bad for a sub 200€ monitor.

SO. This has a weaker CPU than what you're aiming for (so 2700X, or if you follow my advice, the 3600), and a considerably weaker GPU (without RTX support to boot).

The performance was as follows (all 1080p).

Far Cry 5: 80 FPS average on Ultra, the only thing changed when going to High were the 1% lows; 60ish on Ultra, 70ish on High.

GTA V: 80-100 FPS without extended distance scaling and 2x MSAA (MSAA brings my 1080 Ti to it's knees mind you)

Fortnite: 150FPS with everything on Epic and draw distance maxed

DOOM 2016 (wanted to test a Vulkan game too): 160-180FPS

CS:GO: 220-240 FPS with everything on Ultra.

Those were all the games I had time to test, but as you can see, even a GTX 1660 Ti, which isn't even in the same league as the 2060 Super, does completely fine for 1080p gaming and reliably pumps out more than 60FPS. Your 2060 Super would do much better, aided of course by the better processor as well. So if you go with 2700X/3600 and a 2060 Super for 1080p, you'll be right as rain.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Elthrael; 9 Αυγ 2019, 1:34
So on a whole are you saying the ryzen 5 3600 is better than the ryzen 7 2700x? Iv seen a few benchmarks and the 3600 was better on single cores and the 2700x was better on multi core.. I dont get what's more important cores and threads are abit confusing
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ChrisG811:
So on a whole are you saying the ryzen 5 3600 is better than the ryzen 7 2700x? Iv seen a few benchmarks and the 3600 was better on single cores and the 2700x was better on multi core.. I dont get what's more important cores and threads are abit confusing

thats what I orginally said and planned but decided to drop you down to a 2600 for the cost which gives you the betetr GPU (more important) and is easier to build as a starter. The 3600 required to update BIOS which again needs a motherbaord that allows to do it without CPU. Then you also need tor ead into how youf lash BIOS without CPU which imo going to be a bit stressing for a beginner.
Take it simple and easy - the 2600 will or 2700X will just do fine and perfectly capable of playing any game you want for a logn time.
I know your just trying to help me tacoshy but I think I'm going to give it ago as it is only a little more costly, i have all the help I can get! will that motherboard be obsolete then?
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ChrisG811:
I know your just trying to help me tacoshy but I think I'm going to give it ago as it is only a little more costly, i have all the help I can get! will that motherboard be obsolete then?

this motherboard will be a no go then. Then you should take a gigabyte Motherboard for the Q-Flash or you need on top the older CPU.
Sorry I dont get what you mean.. I have the steps to setup the bio it seems pretty straight forward but we will see lol so i need a motherboard that has a bio button on it and it needs to run without cpu
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Sorry I dont get what you mean.. I have the steps to setup the bio it seems pretty straight forward but we will see lol so i need a motherboard that has a bio button on it and it needs to run without cpu

Erm... usually it's not just a button that does the BIOS flashing. I haven't tried flashing the BIOS without a CPU, but on ASUS motherboards, you simply put the file used to flash the BIOS on a flash drive, run EZ Flash from the BIOS menu and select the file, wait a bit and it's done. I would imagine most reputable brands have some form of easy BIOS flashing utility.

My advice, however, is that if you're not comfortable with flashing the BIOS, don't do it. You can brick the motherboard, i.e. make it completely useless and you have to buy a new one altogether.
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