Has a gaming monitor or fast response time monitor improved your skill?

[Tekias2024]

I know this is a weirdly silly question to ask, I've lately been finding some issues with a few games and I'm wondering if maybe my monitor is not up to par. After recently upgrading my Graphics card which was kind of needless as I still play the same games, at the same FPS 60+ or higher, I feel like maybe a new monitor was really what I needed instead.

Firstly I use an IPS monitor to game on, and yeah I know... They are not for gaming, I've still been able to game well and react quickly or know what to react to, not really noticed a massive difference, this was about 6 years ago though and I survived a string of really terrible monitors *uprising of LCD*.

Lately one game is really t'ing me off because I can shoot well, but guys come out of nowhere in a near instant and I'm done for. I've good skill, but I'm missing something, and so I now turn to you guys, some real experts here and found some sound advice.

Thanks for any help.

Sorry if this is wrong forum, this felt more like a hardware issue then a general discussion :(

[C̶r̶a̶z̶y̶ Mita]

nah it depends if you can see the difference between 60f and 144 fps

[Talby]

I would not say it will improve your skill, more like it will “match” your skill and the higher refresh rate will give and advantage in that respect...

Same rules apply, practice will improve your skills and once you get everything dialed in for the new refresh rate, all the better

[Tekias2024]

Could the issue lay with ghosting, I do notice, and I can't be sure if that's normal. When I make quick turns it's like a double image happens, very fast, and can be noticeable.

[Snow]

Testing revealed a negative correlation between refresh rate and time needed to notice the target and start aiming. Basically - yes, high refresh rate can increase the "skill".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV8P6T5tTYs

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Enzo36t eredeti hozzászólása:

Firstly I use an IPS monitor to game on, and yeah I know... They are not for gaming, I've still been able to game well and react quickly or know what to react to, not really noticed a massive difference, this was about 6 years ago though and I survived a string of really terrible monitors *uprising of LCD*.

Nonsense. 1440p IPS 144hz Gsync monitors are what exactly? Gaming monitors. People who don't want to pay for IPS panels want cheaper panels to be just as good, no better. So enter nonsense about response time or whatever. But if you're convinced a handful of milliseconds makes a huge difference there's probably no convincing you.

I mean TN is fine too, I used them for a lot of years. I like my IPS monitors a lot better, so whatever. Just the things people argue about concerning TN are 99% nonsense. No one was getting destroyed by CRT users while using a halfway decent LCD from 2007 is my point. But now performance is lynch-pinned on response times? Times that amount to a pretty small fraction of a human blink. I'm just not buying it.

Enzo36t eredeti hozzászólása:

Lately one game is really t'ing me off because I can shoot well, but guys come out of nowhere in a near instant and I'm done for. I've good skill, but I'm missing something, and so I now turn to you guys, some real experts here and found some sound advice.

I am personally very skeptical that a TN monitor is the micro-optimization you need to be competitive.

[Autumn_]

IPS monitors have the same input lag as TN panels.
(Input lag isn't response time.)

Response time (i.e 1ms, 2ms, blah blah) is all a lie. The only thing that matters is AVERAGE pixel response. If that's poor, then you're going to get ghosting and delay.

Refreshrate (Hz) is how many frames will be displayed per second.

The only thing TN panels do at the moment that trumps everything else is, THEY'RE CHEAP.
(And they've got high refreshrate, like 240hz, but that's mostly pointless as a human can't really see it, and iirc, VA and IPS can do 200hz.)

Talby eredeti hozzászólása:

I would not say it will improve your skill, more like it will “match” your skill and the higher refresh rate will give and advantage in that respect...

Same rules apply, practice will improve your skills and once you get everything dialed in for the new refresh rate, all the better

This, they won't IMPROVE your skill, rather allow you to reach your limit.

[Snow]

Brockenstein eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean TN is fine too, I used them for a lot of years. I like my IPS monitors a lot better, so whatever. Just the things people argue about concerning TN are 99% nonsense. No one was getting destroyed by CRT users while using a halfway decent LCD from 2007 is my point. But now performance is lynch-pinned on response times? Times that amount to a pretty small fraction of a human blink. I'm just not buying it.

While I can mostly agree with that, CRT screens still have less response time and it's one of the reasons retro gamers buy CRTs even today.

[Tekias2024]

Cheers all, I think it's possibly just me, perhaps my reactions aren't as good as they used to be, kinda sucks to feel like I'm slowing down in areas... Well we all get there sometime. I do miss CRT, but as soon as I got through some crappy LCD screens and to an IPS screen, I've never looked back. They were second to none though CRT is always going to be the best I've experienced. :)

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Snow eredeti hozzászólása:

Brockenstein eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean TN is fine too, I used them for a lot of years. I like my IPS monitors a lot better, so whatever. Just the things people argue about concerning TN are 99% nonsense. No one was getting destroyed by CRT users while using a halfway decent LCD from 2007 is my point. But now performance is lynch-pinned on response times? Times that amount to a pretty small fraction of a human blink. I'm just not buying it.

While I can mostly agree with that, CRT screens still have less response time and it's one of the reasons retro gamers buy CRTs even today.

Sure. I guess. Although my point being is the way people fret over response times in 2019 and the weird micro-optimizations people think are necessary, you'd think really serious competitors would be dragging around CRT's because why give up that advantage, if a handful of ms matters?

It's like everything is great, so people just make up non-problems and stick them under a microscope and yell about what a big deal it is. And it must be true because people are yelling about it. It's bonkers.

[Snow]

Brockenstein eredeti hozzászólása:

Snow eredeti hozzászólása:

While I can mostly agree with that, CRT screens still have less response time and it's one of the reasons retro gamers buy CRTs even today.

Sure. I guess. Although my point being is the way people fret over response times in 2019 and the weird micro-optimizations people think are necessary, you'd think really serious competitors would be dragging around CRT's because why give up that advantage, if a handful of ms matters?

It's like everything is great, so people just make up non-problems and stick them under a microscope and yell about what a big deal it is. And it must be true because people are yelling about it. It's bonkers.

Back in CRT times people played CS 1.5 on 4:3 screens using 16:9 resolution and squishing the picture a bit so it would look like it should. These days people play CS:GO on 16:9 screens using 4:3 resolution and stretching the picture so it would look worse.
People are just weird, we'll have to live with that.

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Enzo36t eredeti hozzászólása:

Could the issue lay with ghosting, I do notice, and I can't be sure if that's normal. When I make quick turns it's like a double image happens, very fast, and can be noticeable.

Thats what poor screens do.

[Tekias2024]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Enzo36t eredeti hozzászólása:

Could the issue lay with ghosting, I do notice, and I can't be sure if that's normal. When I make quick turns it's like a double image happens, very fast, and can be noticeable.

Thats what poor screens do.

I realised it's more a V sync issue, rather then ghosting. I don't like Vsync though.I somehow notice lag on turn speeds in games with V sync on.

[Snow]

Enzo36t eredeti hozzászólása:

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Thats what poor screens do.

I realised it's more a V sync issue, rather then ghosting. I don't like Vsync though.I somehow notice lag on turn speeds in games with V sync on.

VSync can not introduce ghosting, but it indeed can increase input delay. I recommend LIFO-based VSync solutions like FastSync, Enhanced Sync, Special K's flip model presentation etc. Scanline Sync present in RTSS also worth trying.