i7 8700k or i7 9700k ?

[I3laze]

I'm not sure which processors I should go for as both are pretty much the same price. The 8700k has 6 cores and 12 threads with Hyper Threading. The 9700k has 8 cores and 8 threads without Hyper Threading. Is Hyper Threading a thing of the past now and will only having 8 threads instead of the 12 that the 8700k has be limiting?

The CPU is gonna mainly be used for gaming.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Having 8 real core helps more

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Might as well go for the 9700k.

I find that it's a dumb move Intel done this, making 9th gen 9700k 8core but removes the hyperthreading, if wanting HT need to get i9, which costs even more.

IMHO AMD had caught up with Intel recently, and making Intel sweat due to the Ryzen 3rd gen, it's not out yet, but very soon, it's pretty much on par for gaming performance, not only that, it's cheaper than Intel line up, you may get a 8core with hyperthreading 16 threads probably the same price as the i7 9700k, or the 12 core with HT 24 threads same price as the i9 9900k.

Just something to think about, if you don't have the motherboard yet, then you get the better deal by going with amd.

[hawkeye]

I'd go with the 9700k too. Slightly faster. But it should run cooler than the 8700k due to use of solder and not thermal paste inside the cpu.

[Ogami]

Neither, go Ryzen 3000 series because it mops the floor with the 9000 series of Intel CPU.
And for a lower price.

[hawkeye]

Ogami님이 먼저 게시:

Neither, go Ryzen 3000 series because it mops the floor with the 9000 series of Intel CPU.
And for a lower price.

Give us a link to independent gaming benchmarks and UK prices.

[vadim]

i7-9xxx are only CPUs in the world with hardware Spectre protection. I don't care about these vulnerabilities, but software protection can cause significant performance loss in the certain situations.

[DarkStarClassic]

Zen 2 3000 series is cheaper then Intel but way better and faster then Intel your choice be robbed by Intel inferior products or go for the WINNER!

[Autumn_]

DarkStarClassic님이 먼저 게시:

Zen 2 3000 series is cheaper then Intel but way better and faster then Intel your choice be robbed by Intel inferior products or go for the WINNER!

I'm an AMD fan, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cool it fanboy; you're shilling to hard.

It won't be way better and faster than Intel; it won't be much faster, and Intel would still win, because of overclock ablity.
However, Zen2 will be cheaper; but the price difference is a moot point, because it won't be that much cheaper than Intel based systems.
We need to wait till all the boards can be reviewed, what the sweetspot for RAM is, and then decide from there.

[Zefar]

Price difference might be bigger by going from Intel to AMD type motherboard too.

It's one reason I stayed with Intel because I didn't need to switch out my motherboard and just got an i7 8700 CPU. Not the K version because I don't plan to overclock and it works just fine with my GTX 1070. I also don't need a beefy CPU cooler because I'm using a mini fan on it that just runs a bit faster than normal.

[Autumn_]

Zefar님이 먼저 게시:

Price difference might be bigger by going from Intel to AMD type motherboard too.

It's one reason I stayed with Intel because I didn't need to switch out my motherboard and just got an i7 8700 CPU. Not the K version because I don't plan to overclock and it works just fine with my GTX 1070. I also don't need a beefy CPU cooler because I'm using a mini fan on it that just runs a bit faster than normal.

There should be some cheap x570 boards, although, I've only read there will be cheap ones; nothing else about them though.

Also, not getting the K was kinda a bad move. Because even if you're not overclocking, the performance difference is worth it for the small price difference (usually it's about 10 quid iirc.*)

*Scratch that, I just looked, why is the price difference so much, holy ♥♥♥♥.

[Zefar]

Autumn님이 먼저 게시:

Zefar님이 먼저 게시:

Price difference might be bigger by going from Intel to AMD type motherboard too.

It's one reason I stayed with Intel because I didn't need to switch out my motherboard and just got an i7 8700 CPU. Not the K version because I don't plan to overclock and it works just fine with my GTX 1070. I also don't need a beefy CPU cooler because I'm using a mini fan on it that just runs a bit faster than normal.

There should be some cheap x570 boards, although, I've only read there will be cheap ones; nothing else about them though.

Also, not getting the K was kinda a bad move. Because even if you're not overclocking, the performance difference is worth it for the small price difference (usually it's about 10 quid iirc.*)

*Scratch that, I just looked, why is the price difference so much, holy ♥♥♥♥.

I would need a better cooler too if I wanted the K version which would add another minimum $60 to that price. So for me it wasn't worth it. I'll stick to this one until Intel release their next Gen CPUs. As the 9th Gen series are generally a small upgrade from the i7 what I've read. Where as the price difference is massive.

[I3laze]

So the i7 9700k will out perform the 8700k and should run cooler then? I have no plans on overclocking just stock settings.

Am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about less threads as the 2 extra physical cores make up for the short fall?

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

I3laze님이 먼저 게시:

So the i7 9700k will out perform the 8700k and should run cooler then? I have no plans on overclocking just stock settings.

Am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about less threads as the 2 extra physical cores make up for the short fall?

This should answer your question. Usage %, Temp, and FPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTL95WnNhCc

[r.linder]

DarkStarClassic님이 먼저 게시:

Zen 2 3000 series is cheaper then Intel but way better and faster then Intel your choice be robbed by Intel inferior products or go for the WINNER!

The projected jump in IPC with Zen2 is about as large of a difference that Intel has made since Skylake (6th gen) to Cannon Lake (current, 9th gen), so 3rd gen Ryzen will be around the same performance as where Intel is currently, but Intel will still be able to pull ahead due to overclocking. Ryzen has proven thus far to be difficult to overclock because of heat constraints. Leaks on a 3950X showed that it took LN2 to reach 5.4 GHz, and it was unstable, and we have no idea how far we can push Zen2 without LN2 or an expensive custom loop system, which defeats the purpose of AMD's previous budget stance. The difference will mostly be made in overclocking, and that's the one thing that Intel has remained strong with.

We have no idea how much memory has improved with Zen2, but all they can really do is raise the necessary frequency for maximum performance rather than give more budget users the option to go with lower speeds without compromising performance. Rumors and a "statement" from AMD claims that 3600~3733 is the norm with Zen2, though 3200 CL14 will have the same effect as 3600 CL16 due to the difference in latency. It won't make a difference if you have 3600 CL16 or 3200 CL14 because the latter can be accessed faster, at a lower frequency, with the former being in reverse; higher frequency, but longer access time. It's also noteworthy that kits like Flare X overclock very nicely, either by tightening timings or raising frequency, so I don't think people should rush out to get DDR4-3600 CL16 kits just because of marketing.

Zefar님이 먼저 게시:

Price difference might be bigger by going from Intel to AMD type motherboard too.

It's one reason I stayed with Intel because I didn't need to switch out my motherboard and just got an i7 8700 CPU. Not the K version because I don't plan to overclock and it works just fine with my GTX 1070. I also don't need a beefy CPU cooler because I'm using a mini fan on it that just runs a bit faster than normal.

I agree. People focus too much on "What's the best I can buy" rather than "What do I need?"
Of course, there's nothing wrong with that, but you can overspend for the best, or you can just get exactly what you need for the next 2 to 4 years when it becomes obsolete, and then repeat. Going above and beyond will really only give you an extra 2 years, if that, depending on how much hardware advances with each generation, which AMD has clearly shown, provided that Zen2 actually is 20~25%+ better than standard Zen in IPC alone.

I only agree with going with the best when you can actually afford it without putting yourself in some sort of financial strain, like some idiots do.

Autumn님이 먼저 게시:

Zefar님이 먼저 게시:

Price difference might be bigger by going from Intel to AMD type motherboard too.

It's one reason I stayed with Intel because I didn't need to switch out my motherboard and just got an i7 8700 CPU. Not the K version because I don't plan to overclock and it works just fine with my GTX 1070. I also don't need a beefy CPU cooler because I'm using a mini fan on it that just runs a bit faster than normal.

There should be some cheap x570 boards, although, I've only read there will be cheap ones; nothing else about them though.

Also, not getting the K was kinda a bad move. Because even if you're not overclocking, the performance difference is worth it for the small price difference (usually it's about 10 quid iirc.*)

*Scratch that, I just looked, why is the price difference so much, holy ♥♥♥♥.

Yeah, I remember seeing some more budget-centric X570 boards, but most of them have less efficient VRM and chipset cooling because of the price.

[I3laze]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

I3laze님이 먼저 게시:

So the i7 9700k will out perform the 8700k and should run cooler then? I have no plans on overclocking just stock settings.

Am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about less threads as the 2 extra physical cores make up for the short fall?

This should answer your question. Usage %, Temp, and FPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTL95WnNhCc

Thanks for the link. 9700k was 10 degrees lower than 8700k and overclocked to 5Ghz. Will I see simular lower temps for the 9700k at stock settings though?