Optimum memory for ryzen 3000 CPUs with B450

[Lord Flashheart]

Hi
My present gaming machine setup is for cpu/motherboard/memory combination is: i7-3770K @ 4.4 Ghz, asrock Z77 exteme6 motherbaord & 32 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz.

I think it may be time for an upgrade.
It will be for pretty much a gaming only machine.

I am maybe going to order the motherboard - an MSI B450 GAMING PLUS Motherboard

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-GAMING-PLUS

I am pretty sure it is compatible with the new ryzen 3000 CPUs. Also the BIOS can be updated without a cpu in there.
Depending on benchmarks & price/performance will get the 3600, 3600X or 3700X. I am not too fussed about overclocking the CPU.

I think the motherboard can handle 3200 Mhz memory and ryzen 3000 it seems is suited for that.

Any good suggestions for good performing 3200 Mhz memory for the setup. I do not care about flashy RGB - just optimum performance. Also a 16GB size kit.

Useful suggestions appreciated.

[Omega]

These new Ryzen CPUs are little beasts, board manufacturers highly recommend a X470 or X570 motherboards. At least for the Ryzen 5, 7 and 9 CPUs.

But yes this board does have Ryzen 3000 support if the BIOS is up-to-date, but I can't garantee it will not blow up when you stick a Ryzen 3700x in it. And I can confidently say that any Ryzen 3000 CPU which you do stick in it will not not perform as well as it can.

Memory shouldn't affect the new Ryzen CPUs anymore, get a 3000/3200Mhz kit CL 16 or lower. RAM with these specs is at the price/performance sweetspot.

[Ralf]

Originally posted by Omega:

Memory shouldn't affect the new Ryzen CPUs anymore, get a 3000/3200Mhz kit CL 16 or lower. RAM with these specs is at the price/performance sweetspot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bzv2bo/psa_ddr43600mhz_cl16_memory_is_reported_sweet/

[Lord Flashheart]

Originally posted by Omega:

These new Ryzen CPUs are little beasts, board manufacturers highly recommend a X470 or X570 motherboards. At least for the Ryzen 5, 7 and 9 CPUs.

But yes this board does have Ryzen 3000 support if the BIOS is up-to-date, but I can't garantee it will not blow up when you stick a Ryzen 3700x in it. And I can confidently say that any Ryzen 3000 CPU which you do stick in it will not not perform as well as it can.

Memory shouldn't affect the new Ryzen CPUs anymore, get a 3000/3200Mhz kit CL 16 or lower. RAM with these specs is at the price/performance sweetspot.

The BIOS update states it supports the ryzen 3000 chips. I am sure they have all been tested up to a 3900X so a 3700X will likely be fine. I will be buying the motherboard, CPU and and memory from the same place in case of any such issues.

Also the 3700X apparently has a lower TDP that the 3600X I assume means less power draw for the same 'work'

[Omega]

Originally posted by Ralf:

Originally posted by Omega:

Memory shouldn't affect the new Ryzen CPUs anymore, get a 3000/3200Mhz kit CL 16 or lower. RAM with these specs is at the price/performance sweetspot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bzv2bo/psa_ddr43600mhz_cl16_memory_is_reported_sweet/

It's a marketing slide.. This crap is meaningless. Go ahead and spend $30 more for 2 magic points on a AMD marketing slide.

Originally posted by Mamba Bajamba:

Originally posted by Omega:

These new Ryzen CPUs are little beasts, board manufacturers highly recommend a X470 or X570 motherboards. At least for the Ryzen 5, 7 and 9 CPUs.

But yes this board does have Ryzen 3000 support if the BIOS is up-to-date, but I can't garantee it will not blow up when you stick a Ryzen 3700x in it. And I can confidently say that any Ryzen 3000 CPU which you do stick in it will not not perform as well as it can.

Memory shouldn't affect the new Ryzen CPUs anymore, get a 3000/3200Mhz kit CL 16 or lower. RAM with these specs is at the price/performance sweetspot.

The BIOS update states it supports the ryzen 3000 chips. I am sure they have all been tested up to a 3900X so a 3700X will likely be fine. I will be buying the motherboard, CPU and and memory from the same place in case of any such issues.

Also the 3700X apparently has a lower TDP that the 3600X I assume means less power draw for the same 'work'

It supports the chips, yes. But this board might not be capable of delivering enough power to these chips which will hurt performance signicantly.

TDP means heat, not power usage.

The AMD site also states "Default TDP", they are most likely refering to Precision Boost;
https://youtu.be/prAaADB9Kck

tl:dr
More power = better performance, less power = worse performance.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Ralf:

Originally posted by Omega:

Memory shouldn't affect the new Ryzen CPUs anymore, get a 3000/3200Mhz kit CL 16 or lower. RAM with these specs is at the price/performance sweetspot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bzv2bo/psa_ddr43600mhz_cl16_memory_is_reported_sweet/

3200 CL14 is still slightly better than 3600 CL16 in terms of access speed, though you won't really notice the difference.

3200 CL14 - 8.75ns
3600 CL16 - 8.88ns

As Omega said, it's just marketing, because they're probably getting paid to advertise that you don't have to worry about going above 3200, just for the profit that would come from people buying DDR4-3600 and 3733 in droves without thinking. The access speed, as stated, is still very slightly faster with 3200 CL14 so there's not going to be any difference between Flare X and any 3600 CL16 kit unless AMD had significantly improved the infinity fabric to actually raise the frequency headroom from 3200 at best to 3733 according to a reddit post of all things. Being that it wasn't really highlighted as much as IPC, I don't think that's what happened here.

[upcoast]

Originally posted by Mamba Bajamba:

Hi
My present gaming machine setup is for cpu/motherboard/memory combination is: i7-3770K @ 4.4 Ghz, asrock Z77 exteme6 motherbaord & 32 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz.

And your monitor res is? GPU is ?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Many of the B350M/B450M boards can only realisticly do 2933

I'd seriously consider a X470 or X570 board for Ryzen 3xxx series

One of the better kits to use is
GSKILL TridentZ ddr4 3200 cl14
Do not have the exact model# on hand but it's one of the few kits from them that is 3200mhz @ cl14. Not hard to find on pcpartpicker

[Lord Flashheart]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Many of the B350M/B450M boards can only realisticly do 2933

I'd seriously consider a X470 or X570 board for Ryzen 3xxx series

One of the better kits to use is
GSKILL TridentZ ddr4 3200 cl14
Do not have the exact model# on hand but it's one of the few kits from them that is 3200mhz @ cl14. Not hard to find on pcpartpicker

X570 are expensive.
With X470 there are none I cannot find any available that can do a BIOS update without a CPU in there. If you know of one please let me know. Or mre accurately one available in the IT shops in melbourne

[tacoshy]

Ever Gigabyte Motherboard has Q-Flash (the tech to update a MoBo without CPU).

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yea Asus and Gigabyte don't need a cpu to flash bios. Go read a pdf manual for one of those decent x470 boards from such brands.

[Lord Flashheart]

Originally posted by upcoast:

Originally posted by Mamba Bajamba:

Hi
My present gaming machine setup is for cpu/motherboard/memory combination is: i7-3770K @ 4.4 Ghz, asrock Z77 exteme6 motherbaord & 32 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz.

And your monitor res is? GPU is ?

Moniton acer predator 2560x1080 200Hz gsync monitor.
GPU gigabyte gtx 1080 ti aoris

[Lord Flashheart]

Originally posted by tacoshy:

Ever Gigabyte Motherboard has Q-Flash (the tech to update a MoBo without CPU).

Only it seems the X570. Not interested in them as not worth it. It has many features fairy pointless for a gaming machine.
I found this. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=639584818

The motherboard I specified 'B450 gaming Plus' apparently fits my needs quite well if the chart is accurate. It is the VRM rating which is apparently good enough for my potential CPUs I want, 3600, 3600X or 3700X. Apparently the motherboard is better than some of the X470 in terms of the VRM. Of course wait until the reviews are out before deciding on a CPU. Oh and is clearly stated on the msi website that 3200 MHz memory is supported by that motherboard.

[ericcui1]

Originally posted by Omega:

These new Ryzen CPUs are little beasts, board manufacturers highly recommend a X470 or X570 motherboards. At least for the Ryzen 5, 7 and 9 CPUs.

But yes this board does have Ryzen 3000 support if the BIOS is up-to-date, but I can't garantee it will not blow up when you stick a Ryzen 3700x in it. And I can confidently say that any Ryzen 3000 CPU which you do stick in it will not not perform as well as it can.

Memory shouldn't affect the new Ryzen CPUs anymore, get a 3000/3200Mhz kit CL 16 or lower. RAM with these specs is at the price/performance sweetspot.

That MSI board actually has a half decent VRM, better than some bottom tier X470 boards. Should handle a 8 core just fine.
On the other hand, the new BIOS for B450/X470 boards are not quite feature rich due to BIOS chip not having enough space. The UI looks like a prebuilt form DELL and often can't save OC profiles.

[ericcui1]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Many of the B350M/B450M boards can only realisticly do 2933

I'd seriously consider a X470 or X570 board for Ryzen 3xxx series

One of the better kits to use is
GSKILL TridentZ ddr4 3200 cl14
Do not have the exact model# on hand but it's one of the few kits from them that is 3200mhz @ cl14. Not hard to find on pcpartpicker

For Zen+, memory compatibility is not much of a problem on B450 at or below 3200MHz. My 3200 cl16 kit can run at 3466 stable on MSI B450M Mortar. Considering the GAMING PLUS model uses similar PCB layout, I don't see it could be a problem.

[Lord Flashheart]

Originally posted by ericcui1:

Originally posted by Omega:

These new Ryzen CPUs are little beasts, board manufacturers highly recommend a X470 or X570 motherboards. At least for the Ryzen 5, 7 and 9 CPUs.

But yes this board does have Ryzen 3000 support if the BIOS is up-to-date, but I can't garantee it will not blow up when you stick a Ryzen 3700x in it. And I can confidently say that any Ryzen 3000 CPU which you do stick in it will not not perform as well as it can.

Memory shouldn't affect the new Ryzen CPUs anymore, get a 3000/3200Mhz kit CL 16 or lower. RAM with these specs is at the price/performance sweetspot.

That MSI board actually has a half decent VRM, better than some bottom tier X470 boards. Should handle a 8 core just fine.
On the other hand, the new BIOS for B450/X470 boards are not quite feature rich due to BIOS chip not having enough space. The UI looks like a prebuilt form DELL and often can't save OC profiles.

Not very fussed about overclocking the CPU but would be a nice to have the option. I thought there are overclocking options through software also. There is on my present motherboard.
It seems the 3600X/3700X will be very good gaming performers anyway. I am keen to find out the performance difference between them for games if any as they have the same boost clock.