Is this a decent pc? :: Hardware and Operating Systems

L37 2019년 11월 27일 오전 6시 44분

tacoshy님이 먼저 게시:
yes true, and PSU's didnt make so many advanatges. nearly none to be fair.

There a lot of trash PSU's just to name Corsair VS and Thermaltake TR2 (Though I never had issues with TR2). On the other hand there still budget PSU's whicha re old but more then capable to do their job safely like SeaSonic S12II.

Also 80+ Bronze is no certificate for quality but power effiency. It says literally nothing about the quality.

To know which PSU you need you would need to know your wattage consumption which only experience builders can tell you befor. No PSU Calculator I have etsted where accurate so far. Most calculate way to much incl the PPP calculator. However its usefull to chose a PSU with twice the wattage then you use as it is the most efficient point for the PSU AC to DC converting.

For single GPU use assume that 650W will be all you ever need with enough headroom and perfect fit in the power efficiency curve.

I totally understand difference between quality and efficiency, but the thing is - psu-s that passed 80+ certification are at least somewhat decent. They might not be "the best", but they are not complete trash either. Bronze because this ones are at least somewhat modern, there are few ancient 80+ certified designs which are not really good nowadays.
VS and TR2 both work. You can get deffective units sure, and they are not most modern ones, but again, far from the worst you can get.

And how would you advise to determine PSU quality? By brand name? Not a good way either. Pretty much the only way available to average user is looking at certificates, manufacturer specified characteristics and visual build quality.

Also yes, there are a lot of advances in power-related electronics. Fact that old units exist that are still kind of fine does not mean that they are good by today's standarts or efficient.

650W - yes about right. Can go with anything from 500 to 700 depending on actual hardware and psu itself (12v rail power mostly). Choosing too powerfull PSU has a downside that at idle modern systems consume very little power, which may cause efficiency issues.

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Violeta 2019년 11월 27일 오후 3시 03분

Is this worth considering? Or something simular? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m2yqmg

Its a very weak graphics card but I think vega 11 is 2gb right? This is 2gb, but not taking that from your ram? And a vastly better cpu, but all the parts are really cheap to make up for the cpu's high cost....

Because sub 570/1050 cards is one thing I haven't looked into for this build.

One reason I want to go G series is something I can run now, rather than waiting. Possibly until next year to get a decent card.

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#92

Komrade 2019년 11월 27일 오후 3시 05분

Carpel님이 먼저 게시:
Is this worth considering? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m2yqmg

Its a very weak graphics card but I think vega 11 is 2gb right? This is 2gb, but not taking that from your ram? And a vastly better cpu, but all the parts are really cheap to make up for the cpu's high cost.

Because sub 570/1050 cards is one thing I haven't looked into for this build.

One reason I want to go G series is something I can run now, rather than waiting. Possibly until next year to get a decent card.

You don't need a 2700x for gaming, 2600 is enough. GT 710 is miles behind the Vega 11.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU/m77649vsm401440

#93

Komrade 2019년 11월 27일 오후 3시 06분

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c37pHB

This would be much better than the list you listed.

#94

Violeta 2019년 11월 27일 오후 3시 17분

notkennyS님이 먼저 게시:
Carpel님이 먼저 게시:
Is this worth considering? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m2yqmg

Its a very weak graphics card but I think vega 11 is 2gb right? This is 2gb, but not taking that from your ram? And a vastly better cpu, but all the parts are really cheap to make up for the cpu's high cost.

Because sub 570/1050 cards is one thing I haven't looked into for this build.

One reason I want to go G series is something I can run now, rather than waiting. Possibly until next year to get a decent card.
You don't need a 2700x for gaming, 2600 is enough. GT 710 is miles behind the Vega 11.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU/m77649vsm401440

Okay so websites say vega 11 = 1030 which is a 90 dollar video card (Which is like 10 dollars less than used rtx 580 cards on ebay).. And makes the build about 500 with a 2600. But the 2400g lets me get higher quality parts in the rest of the pc.

#95

Komrade 2019년 11월 27일 오후 3시 20분

Carpel님이 먼저 게시:
notkennyS님이 먼저 게시:
You don't need a 2700x for gaming, 2600 is enough. GT 710 is miles behind the Vega 11.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU/m77649vsm401440

Okay so websites say vega 11 = 1030 which is a 90 dollar video card (Which is like 10 dollars less than used rtx 580 cards on ebay).. And makes the build about 500 with a 2600. But the 2400g lets me get higher quality parts in the rest of the pc.

What? The 2400G is more expensive than the 2600, and the 2600 beats the 2400G.

#96

r.linder 2019년 11월 27일 오후 3시 25분

notkennyS님이 먼저 게시:
Carpel님이 먼저 게시:

Okay so websites say vega 11 = 1030 which is a 90 dollar video card (Which is like 10 dollars less than used rtx 580 cards on ebay).. And makes the build about 500 with a 2600. But the 2400g lets me get higher quality parts in the rest of the pc.
What? The 2400G is more expensive than the 2600, and the 2600 beats the 2400G.

He wants the iGPU

#97

Komrade 2019년 11월 27일 오후 3시 26분

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
notkennyS님이 먼저 게시:
What? The 2400G is more expensive than the 2600, and the 2600 beats the 2400G.

He wants the iGPU

Oh.

#98

Violeta 2019년 11월 27일 오후 11시 26분

So I was given the money now for the build. In amazon cards. $550, but just assume its 515 due to amazon now taking taxes. These examples I came up with as everything must be from amazon.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TzmNcq 2400G build $467.41

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hz7Mb8 2600 Build $511.95

If I'm not mistaken 1030 cards look so old that from google images, many seemed to have a VGA port. If they don't that adds 10 dollars to the cost and then its too much, maybe. Fitting the 2600 makes the whole thing so tight...

Where the 2400g lets me get a better power supply, wifi-card or sound card, or more ram or something. Or pay for faster shipping or maybe both.

#99

anrkyuk 2019년 11월 28일 오전 12시 00분

Looking at the $511 build and based on my own experience of 7 Days, I state this, a GT1030 isn't going to cut it, not even remotely.

As it is, the system is unbalanced, for $515, forget an SSD, get a WD Blue 500GB drive, that saves $30, a Seasonic S12III 450 will save you $35, this will then allow you to get a ZOTAC Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 OC 4GB.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/4039vsm283726

#100

r.linder 2019년 11월 28일 오전 12시 18분

anrkyuk님이 먼저 게시:
Looking at the $511 build and based on my own experience of 7 Days, I state this, a GT1030 isn't going to cut it, not even remotely.

As it is, the system is unbalanced, for $515, forget an SSD, get a WD Blue 500GB drive, that saves $30, a Seasonic S12III 450 will save you $35, this will then allow you to get a ZOTAC Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 OC 4GB.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/4039vsm283726

Forsaking an SSD is not something one should recommend. The system will not run at peak efficiency without one.

#101

anrkyuk 2019년 11월 28일 오전 12시 30분

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
anrkyuk님이 먼저 게시:
Looking at the $511 build and based on my own experience of 7 Days, I state this, a GT1030 isn't going to cut it, not even remotely.

As it is, the system is unbalanced, for $515, forget an SSD, get a WD Blue 500GB drive, that saves $30, a Seasonic S12III 450 will save you $35, this will then allow you to get a ZOTAC Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 OC 4GB.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/4039vsm283726

Forsaking an SSD is not something one should recommend. The system will not run at peak efficiency without one.

"Peak Efficiency".... care to explain you logic behind this...

Yes, the system will take longer to boot and games will take longer to load, but you would have to be barking mad to forego a 170% faster GPU just for faster load times.

The guy is building a system on the cheap, it has to be balanced and for $515, an SSD is a luxury if he wants to play poorly optimised games like 7 Days and The Forest.

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#102

r.linder 2019년 11월 28일 오전 12시 40분

anrkyuk님이 먼저 게시:
Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

Forsaking an SSD is not something one should recommend. The system will not run at peak efficiency without one.

"Peak Efficiency".... care to explain you logic behind this...

Yes, the system will take longer to boot and games will take longer to load, but you would have to be barking mad to forego a 170% faster GPU just for faster load times.

The guy is building a system on the cheap, it has to be balanced and for $515, an SSD is a luxury if he wants to play poorly optimised games like 7 Days and The Forest.

A cheaper SSD for just the OS is the point. I would rather use Vega 11 and have an SSD and have to put up with dropping settings than not buy an SSD and pick something like a 1650. The RX 570 is cheaper and better than the 1650, as much as 40$ USD less.

An SSD can give old and dying hardware an extra few years of life.

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#103

anrkyuk 2019년 11월 28일 오전 12시 49분

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:
anrkyuk님이 먼저 게시:

"Peak Efficiency".... care to explain you logic behind this...

Yes, the system will take longer to boot and games will take longer to load, but you would have to be barking mad to forego a 170% faster GPU just for faster load times.

The guy is building a system on the cheap, it has to be balanced and for $515, an SSD is a luxury if he wants to play poorly optimised games like 7 Days and The Forest.

A cheaper SSD for just the OS is the point. I would rather use Vega 11 and have an SSD and have to put up with dropping settings than not buy an SSD and pick something like a 1650.

K, so, doing a little looking up a GT 1030 will manage 7 Days @ 720p with medium settings at an average of 60FPS, a GTX 1650 will manage 1080p High at 30~50 FPS or with low settings 60~100 FPS.

So you are saying you would rather game at 720p low settings and not have to wait for loading times, than have a 1080p 60 FPS experience with 10~15 second waiting times now and then ?

#104

r.linder 2019년 11월 28일 오전 12시 50분

anrkyuk님이 먼저 게시:
Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

A cheaper SSD for just the OS is the point. I would rather use Vega 11 and have an SSD and have to put up with dropping settings than not buy an SSD and pick something like a 1650.

K, so, doing a little looking up a GT 1030 will manage 7 Days @ 720p with medium settings at an average of 60FPS, a GTX 1650 will manage 1080p High at 30~50 FPS or with low settings 60~100 FPS.

So you are saying you would rather game at 720p low settings and not have to wait for loading times, than have a 1080p 60 FPS experience with 10~15 second waiting times now and then ?

RX 570 is cheaper. He can get a 570 and a small enough SSD for the OS alone.
1650 is just awful for its cost compared to the competition.

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