Is this a decent pc?

[Rio]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DHCYHB

i3-9100f
4gb video card
16gb ram

7 days, space engineers, the forest, subnautica, ark, etc.

[Snow]

Цитата допису meh:

Цитата допису Escorve:

So could a Ryzen 5 3600. There is no point in getting a 9600K when the 3600X rivals it for less, and the 3600 is a much better value.
Generally, it's a choice between the 3600 and 9700K for gaming.

Depends.
It's cheaper and faster for some people:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600X/4031vs4041

Look at the OC benchmarks, too.

Are you seriously suggesting taking 1% performance single core difference in stock over twice as much threads? What's wrong with you?

[L37]

At such a low budget it might be worth optimizing for specific type of games you play. Because while a couple of mainstream shooters released each year (and the same each time) might indeed be trying to use more and more cores a lot of smaller games are still mostly bottlenecked by single core performance and for this i3-9100f has pretty dencent value for its price.
It is not "future proof", but the whole concept of "future proofing" is pointless anyway, especially with low budget.
I honestly see nothing wrong with initial build. The only thing i'd do is buy cheaper motherboard and ram and try to get an ssd. Some of the games you listed benefit A LOT from ssd.

[Rio]

Цитата допису L37:

At such a low budget it might be worth optimizing for specific type of games you play. Because while a couple of mainstream shooters released each year (and the same each time) might indeed be trying to use more and more cores a lot of smaller games are still mostly bottlenecked by single core performance and for this i3-9100f has pretty dencent value for its price.
It is not "future proof", but the whole concept of "future proofing" is pointless anyway, especially with low budget.
I honestly see nothing wrong with initial build. The only thing i'd do is buy cheaper motherboard and ram and try to get an ssd. Some of the games you listed benefit A LOT from ssd.

When I made my list I went through every demanding game I wanna play and none of them besides maybe space engineers seems to want more than a 4 core 3.0ghz cpu with 16GB ram and 4gb graphics card in their reccomended specs.

Only about 3 of them even recomended 16GB ram, most had 8gb ram as the min requirement and 2gb video card as min.

Of course we live in the age of games never stop updating. Which is how I got to needing a new pc in the first place.


The games I want to play the most indeed aren't FPS shooters, but rather minecraft like survival games

As well as a large amount of indie roguelites that my current pc can already mostly run, but can be rather limited.

[Rio]

Is there a good motherboard with built in wifi thats cheap? Atm I always need a usb wifi adapter taking up a usb slot on my pc.

We get about 2MB to 5MB/s download speed.

Right now I have a mouse using a usb slot, keyboard using one, tablet using one, usb game controller, and a usb microphone.

So thats 4 usb needed min on my current pc.


I do also have earbuds with bluetooth I was never able to use, because my pc doesn't have bluetooth.

[L37]

Цитата допису White:

When I made my list I went through every demanding game I wanna play and none of them besides maybe space engineers seems to want more than a 4 core 3.0ghz cpu with 16GB ram and 4gb graphics card in their reccomended specs.

Only about 3 of them even recomended 16GB ram, most had 8gb ram as the min requirement and 2gb video card as min.

Of course we live in the age of games never stop updating. Which is how I got to needing a new pc in the first place.


The games I want to play the most indeed aren't FPS shooters, but rather minecraft like survival games

As well as a large amount of indie roguelites that my current pc can already mostly run, but can be rather limited.

And i think this is exactly the best way to do it. Most games you mention will be bottlenecked by single core performance and will not make use of more than 4 cores. For ram... i have 32Gb and i can say (having kind of similar interests) that sometimes extra ram is useful. IMO - buy motherboard with 4 slots and 2*8Gb sticks, this way you will be able to easily upgrade at any point.
Also, while not critical, you should really look into adding SSD. May be in future. For some of this games, subnautica will be great example, it helps A LOT. Seend stuttering and texture loading each time you move fast is not fun.

For built-in wifi - IMO do not bother. If you need more (and faster) usb just buy usb3 hub - they are cheap. Wifi speeds should not be affected by usb either, if adapter itself is not complete garbage. ANd the same thing for bluetooth - adapters are dirt cheap.

[Komrade]

Цитата допису L37:

Цитата допису White:

When I made my list I went through every demanding game I wanna play and none of them besides maybe space engineers seems to want more than a 4 core 3.0ghz cpu with 16GB ram and 4gb graphics card in their reccomended specs.

Only about 3 of them even recomended 16GB ram, most had 8gb ram as the min requirement and 2gb video card as min.

Of course we live in the age of games never stop updating. Which is how I got to needing a new pc in the first place.


The games I want to play the most indeed aren't FPS shooters, but rather minecraft like survival games

As well as a large amount of indie roguelites that my current pc can already mostly run, but can be rather limited.

And i think this is exactly the best way to do it. Most games you mention will be bottlenecked by single core performance and will not make use of more than 4 cores. For ram... i have 32Gb and i can say (having kind of similar interests) that sometimes extra ram is useful. IMO - buy motherboard with 4 slots and 2*8Gb sticks, this way you will be able to easily upgrade at any point.
Also, while not critical, you should really look into adding SSD. May be in future. For some of this games, subnautica will be great example, it helps A LOT. Seend stuttering and texture loading each time you move fast is not fun.

For built-in wifi - IMO do not bother. If you need more (and faster) usb just buy usb3 hub - they are cheap. Wifi speeds should not be affected by usb either, if adapter itself is not complete garbage. ANd the same thing for bluetooth - adapters are dirt cheap.

I would say adding a SSD is critical, the whole system feels sluggish without one.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Whatever you get, get 2x8gb 3000 or 3200 due to affordable ram pricing which is most likely going to shoot up again very soon. Also start with an ssd of some sort. As you can always add more ssd or hdd later on.

I'd look at Ryzen 2600 or 3600
MSI B450 Tomahawk Max

Get your own usb flash drive (8gb minimum) and create your own Windows 10 64bit 1909 installer media. Do this part on a working PC that has Win7 64bit or later on it.

[Rio]

My friend told me the game he most wants to play last night is Ark. And the rx570 didn't seem to handle that game greatly (In benchmark videos) except on lowest settings where it looks like the world is ice cream, but had 100-150 fps.

Some tech youtubers are saying you'd be crazy to pay $130 for a new rx570 on amazon when theres a flood of used ex-mining rx580 8gb for $100 or less on ebay.

Should I push my friend to get that, as well as do that myself?

It shaves money off (Like $20-30), off the build and gives more fps, but not sure if the risks are worth it?


I was thinking something like this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X2g27T

With either the $130 rx570 or a $100 ebay rx580 as the video card for his pc.

[Komrade]

Цитата допису White:

My friend told me the game he most wants to play last night is Ark. And the rx570 didn't seem to handle that game greatly (In benchmark videos) except on lowest settings where it looks like the world is ice cream, but had 100-150 fps.

Some tech youtubers are saying you'd be crazy to pay $130 for a new rx570 on amazon when theres a flood of used ex-mining rx580 8gb for $100 or less on ebay.

Should I push my friend to get that, as well as do that myself?

It shaves money off (Like $20-30), off the build and gives more fps, but not sure if the risks are worth it?

It's a weaker card, I would save up more and go for a rx 580 equivalent minimum.

[Komrade]

Цитата допису White:

My friend told me the game he most wants to play last night is Ark. And the rx570 didn't seem to handle that game greatly (In benchmark videos) except on lowest settings where it looks like the world is ice cream, but had 100-150 fps.

Some tech youtubers are saying you'd be crazy to pay $130 for a new rx570 on amazon when theres a flood of used ex-mining rx580 8gb for $100 or less on ebay.

Should I push my friend to get that, as well as do that myself?

It shaves money off (Like $20-30), off the build and gives more fps, but not sure if the risks are worth it?


I was thinking something like this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X2g27T

With either the $130 rx570 or a $100 ebay rx580 as the video card for his pc.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jQVhgJ

Better ssd, ram, case.

[Rio]

Should I really have a micro motherboard with a mid tower sized case?

[Komrade]

Цитата допису White:

Should I really have a micro motherboard with a mid tower sized case?

Should be backwards compatible.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I would always pick a Mid Tower with 7 slots then to limit the system to be forced to use micro atx boards. Unless there is an aim to build a smaller pc to begin with and picking a good case for that. As there are some very nice micro atx cases, but most of them are trash.

Good bang for buck mid tower is Corsair 200R or similar

[Rio]

Is it possible to use any parts of my current pc in the new computer to save money? Such as its case or power supply? Besides the HDD

Lenovo H505s AMD Dual-Core 1TB HDD Desktop PC

https://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-h505s-sff-e2-1800-1-7-ghz-4-gb-500-gb/

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Doubtful since oem prebuild cases and psus are all junk for the most part. I wouldn't trust a cheap psu from any prebuild on a modern diy build, especially when using a dedicated gpu.

You can get a decent case under 50$
Same for PSU.

HDD is fine to reuse but never as as OS drive. Use an SSD for the OS drive. Games and loose files can be stored on the hdd. For game clients it's easy to configure them to install the games to another drive.