Need Help with Slower FPS after Upgrading Ram

[-Sam-]

I recently bought new RAM for my computer. I wanted to upgrade from 8gb to 16gb so I bought the exact same Ram stick from a retailer. After mounting the ram I looked at the task manager too see if my computer detected the ram. Everything looked OK. I launched Rainbow six siege too find out that my FPS had decresed from 80-90 to 60-70 FPS. I would appreciate any help I could get.

My pc specs:

GPU: MSI Gtx 960 4gb
CPU: Ryzen 2200g With radeon vega graphics
RAM: 2x8 DDR4 2400Mhz (Crucial brand)
MOBO: Gigabyte A320 m S2H
Operating System: Windows 10
Power supply: 420W (don't know brand)

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Did you make sure to connect the monitor to the video card and not the motherboard?

[-Sam-]

Teh Spoopy Kitteh님이 먼저 게시:

Did you make sure to connect the monitor to the video card and not the motherboard?

Yes I have my Monitor connected to the GPU

[Wichtelman]

do you get 80-90 fps again if u remove those new sticks?

[-Sam-]

123님이 먼저 게시:

do you get 80-90 fps again if u remove those new sticks?

I have not tried removing the new ram stidck but I don't know why that would be necessary , is there any reason for me too be losing fps by adding more ram. The sticks are exact same..

[-Sam-]

Prince Valiant님이 먼저 게시:

Did you leave 1 slot empty between the sticks?

My motherboard only has 2 ram slots one next to another

[-Sam-]

Magma Dragoon님이 먼저 게시:

Which slot did you put the second stick? Typically they should be in 1 and 3 or 2 and 4, not adjacent to each other.

My motherboard has 2 ram slots not 4 so I can only have 2 ram stick in the motherboard

[r.linder]

The issue is probably motherboard-related because:

1. A320 motherboards are the absolute worst for Ryzen due to the lack of many features in BIOS, particularly the ability to overclock or enable PBO to make the most out of a Ryzen chip without overclocking.

2. Bad power delivery hardware on these cheap boards, so bad that Gigabyte doesn't even advertise what phases they put on the board at all as it would make the board look bad. This can be an issue with the RAM because the VRMs could be insufficient due to being so cheaply made and with doublers. This seems to be the most likely to me due to the board being one of the cheapest A320 boards that exist, and the fact that it only happened when adding a second stick of RAM. (It doesn't help that A320 was basically made for ultra-budget/home-office users that don't care about or can't afford good quality and just want something that runs)

3. Memory support on cheap boards can be very spotty, so the QVL is very important for preventing potential issues. A stick may have good support by itself, but it may have issues with second stick.

Aside from that, it doesn't help that you're using really slow RAM, while Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen will run at basically half of its full potential with less than 3000 MHz RAM due to the Infinity Fabric. With 3000 series this was solved because of the interposer no longer being tied to DRAM frequency, and the ability to alter the IF was added, but that's only available to Ryzen 3000.

The worst thing you could have done with this build was buy an A320 board, and unfortunately, you did that and bought slow RAM without researching Ryzen.

Prince Valiant님이 먼저 게시:

SamTheNumberX님이 먼저 게시:

My motherboard only has 2 ram slots one next to another

Ok
I just took a look and it could be that you have not enough power supply for 2 ram sticks during peaks, if all suggestions dont help to gain the previous performance, this is the problem.

I doubt it, because RAM does not use nearly as much power as you think. That's why they don't have massive heatsinks and many work fine without them.

[-Sam-]

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

The issue is probably motherboard-related because:

1. A320 motherboards are the absolute worst for Ryzen due to the lack of many features in BIOS, particularly the ability to overclock or enable PBO to make the most out of a Ryzen chip without overclocking.

2. Bad power delivery hardware on these cheap boards, so bad that Gigabyte doesn't even advertise what phases they put on the board at all as it would make the board look bad. This can be an issue with the RAM because the VRMs could be insufficient due to being so cheaply made and with doublers. This seems to be the most likely to me due to the board being one of the cheapest A320 boards that exist, and the fact that it only happened when adding a second stick of RAM. (It doesn't help that A320 was basically made for ultra-budget/home-office users that don't care about or can't afford good quality and just want something that runs)

3. Memory support on cheap boards can be very spotty, so the QVL is very important for preventing potential issues. A stick may have good support by itself, but it may have issues with second stick.

Aside from that, it doesn't help that you're using really slow RAM, while Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen will run at basically half of its full potential with less than 3000 MHz RAM due to the Infinity Fabric. With 3000 series this was solved because of the interposer no longer being tied to DRAM frequency, and the ability to alter the IF was added, but that's only available to Ryzen 3000.

Thanks for your reply , I got my pc upgraded for about 100$ a few years ago by a small computer store and they put in parts that they choose themselfs , I will look into buying a better motherboard do you recomend any good one's I would much appreciate it. And is it possible to overclock the ram to a higher frequency?

[r.linder]

SamTheNumberX님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

The issue is probably motherboard-related because:

1. A320 motherboards are the absolute worst for Ryzen due to the lack of many features in BIOS, particularly the ability to overclock or enable PBO to make the most out of a Ryzen chip without overclocking.

2. Bad power delivery hardware on these cheap boards, so bad that Gigabyte doesn't even advertise what phases they put on the board at all as it would make the board look bad. This can be an issue with the RAM because the VRMs could be insufficient due to being so cheaply made and with doublers. This seems to be the most likely to me due to the board being one of the cheapest A320 boards that exist, and the fact that it only happened when adding a second stick of RAM. (It doesn't help that A320 was basically made for ultra-budget/home-office users that don't care about or can't afford good quality and just want something that runs)

3. Memory support on cheap boards can be very spotty, so the QVL is very important for preventing potential issues. A stick may have good support by itself, but it may have issues with second stick.

Aside from that, it doesn't help that you're using really slow RAM, while Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen will run at basically half of its full potential with less than 3000 MHz RAM due to the Infinity Fabric. With 3000 series this was solved because of the interposer no longer being tied to DRAM frequency, and the ability to alter the IF was added, but that's only available to Ryzen 3000.

Thanks for your reply , I got my pc upgraded for about 100$ a few years ago by a small computer store and they put in parts that they choose themselfs , I will look into buying a better motherboard do you recomend any good one's I would much appreciate it. And is it possible to overclock the ram to a higher frequency?

1. It's better not to trust stores to do it for you, because they will often cheap out to make more profit or to meet a certain price range.

2. I recommend an ASRock B450M Pro4, it's pretty much the best cheap B450 motherboard one can buy and slightly better than the Gigabyte B450M-DS3H in terms of features and rear I/O.

3. Yes you can overclock RAM on any AM4 motherboard, but that's the only OC that A320 supports. However, it doesn't do it well, as you're not likely to get more than 2666, which is still way too low. I wouldn't trust an A320 board to not blow up at some point.

4. You might want to upgrade your PSU to at least a 500W Bronze model, such as the EVGA BR 500W, SeaSonic S12III 500W, or Corsair CX550. Your PSU sounds cheap and I wouldn't trust it; if it blows, it can kill other components in your system, and if the store cheaped out on the board, they likely cheaped out on the PSU. If it blows and kills your GTX 960, that's a big loss.

[UTFapolloMarine]

unless your ram is locked at a low frequency but like the man upstairs, you may need a mobo upgrade so you can properly OC your ram and CPU update the psu to a 500psu evga and get a 980

[-Sam-]

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

SamTheNumberX님이 먼저 게시:

Thanks for your reply , I got my pc upgraded for about 100$ a few years ago by a small computer store and they put in parts that they choose themselfs , I will look into buying a better motherboard do you recomend any good one's I would much appreciate it. And is it possible to overclock the ram to a higher frequency?

1. It's better not to trust stores to do it for you, because they will often cheap out to make more profit or to meet a certain price range.

2. I recommend an ASRock B450M Pro4, it's pretty much the best cheap B450 motherboard one can buy and slightly better than the Gigabyte B450M-DS3H in terms of features and rear I/O.

3. Yes you can overclock RAM on any AM4 motherboard, but that's the only OC that A320 supports. However, it doesn't do it well, as you're not likely to get more than 2666, which is still way too low. I wouldn't trust an A320 board to not blow up at some point.

4. You might want to upgrade your PSU to at least a 500W Bronze model, such as the EVGA BR 500W, SeaSonic S12III 500W, or Corsair CX550. Your PSU sounds cheap and I wouldn't trust it; if it blows, it can kill other components in your system, and if the store cheaped out on the board, they likely cheaped out on the PSU.

I will look into buying some of these . And thank you for your great explanation of what the problem was can't thank you enough. Cheers!

[r.linder]

Prince Valiant님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

I doubt it, because RAM does not use nearly as much power as you think. That's why they don't have massive heatsinks and many work fine without them.

I thought about 10 Watt during peak but he has 420 and with the graphic card and other components, this could be too much, but of course it can also be the mainboard, but it is recommendable to try with a stronger psu if it works before upgrading the mainboard.

It took all of 30 seconds to find that his setup is not going to use more than 260~300W. If it's the PSU, it's because of quality, not wattage, and he should be upgrading the board anyway as A320 is a waste of money.

SamTheNumberX님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

1. It's better not to trust stores to do it for you, because they will often cheap out to make more profit or to meet a certain price range.

2. I recommend an ASRock B450M Pro4, it's pretty much the best cheap B450 motherboard one can buy and slightly better than the Gigabyte B450M-DS3H in terms of features and rear I/O.

3. Yes you can overclock RAM on any AM4 motherboard, but that's the only OC that A320 supports. However, it doesn't do it well, as you're not likely to get more than 2666, which is still way too low. I wouldn't trust an A320 board to not blow up at some point.

4. You might want to upgrade your PSU to at least a 500W Bronze model, such as the EVGA BR 500W, SeaSonic S12III 500W, or Corsair CX550. Your PSU sounds cheap and I wouldn't trust it; if it blows, it can kill other components in your system, and if the store cheaped out on the board, they likely cheaped out on the PSU.

I will look into buying some of these . And thank you for your great explanation of what the problem was can't thank you enough. Cheers!

No problem. Cheers!

POUusnavy님이 먼저 게시:

unless your ram is locked at a low frequency but like the man upstairs, you may need a mobo upgrade so you can properly OC your ram and CPU update the psu to a 500psu evga and get a 980

A320 allows RAM overclocking, the problem with it is going to lie in memory support and the cheap VRMs.
There's no point in upgrading from a 960 to a 980 when he gets more than enough FPS in the game he was playing before changing RAM. If he were upgrading, I wouldn't recommend a 9 series either way because of poorer driver support and lacking features that newer cards have support for.

[r.linder]

Prince Valiant님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

It took all of 30 seconds to find that his setup is not going to use more than 260~300W.

Interesting because the graphic card alone has a minimum requirement of 400 watt.

No, it doesn't. That's the PSU wattage recommendation, not the requirement. A 2200G and 960 build will only use up to 300W at most.

[r.linder]

Prince Valiant님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

No, it doesn't. That's the PSU recommendation, not the requirement.

And now we think about Rainbow Six Siege with the new RAM he will run it with demading options so it means on peak, so the graphic card actually reaches peaks during gaming and this could be well calculated by the previous update team so it was all set for a single RAM unit, now with 2, he has less FPS, less power, so this little 10 Watt port in addition makes the power supply inefficient and first thing, easy to save, is from the GPU, reduced FPS as a result.

It's most likely not power related, I already explained that, and he's already getting a new board and PSU. The chances of the PSU being at fault over a ~10 watt difference is extremely unlikely when the system is not going to use more than 286w at stock, which is the only thing he can really get as he can't overclock the CPU, isn't going to get anywhere on A320 for the RAM, and someone who buys a PC from a store probably doesn't know how to overclock the GPU.

[r.linder]

Prince Valiant님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

It's most likely not power related, I already explained that, and he's already getting a new board and PSU.

So the PSU was part of the problem, as I said, I would have tried without buying a new mainboard first, but of course you can buy it as well before trying it with the PSU only.

The reason for changing the PSU is because of quality, not because of what you think the problem is. I already stated that if they cheaped out on him with the board, they surely did so with the PSU, and replacing it is to minimize potential risks with the PSU failing and killing the rest of the system.

This doesn't even matter because he took my advice, not yours, so drop it.