CPU upgrade for my Motherboard

[Waryth]

Can my H97M-G43 support AMD's Ryzen 7 3800X/3700X in terms of compatibility?

I'm currently using i7-4790K atm.

Also how to know if its compatible to my motherboard?

[Omega]

No, you need a motherboard with the AM4 socket. These CPUs will not fit in your board.

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[hawkeye]

Publicado originalmente por Waryth:

Also how to know if its compatible to my motherboard?

Two ways - the cpus supported are listed on the manufacturers website's mobo page, or once you know the socket type look here -

your mobo is lga 1150

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/socketType.html#id7

[_I_]

https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/support/H97M-G43#support-cpu

thats for intel 4th gen celeron g, pentium g, i3, i5, i7, xeon cpus only

4790k is a good cpu yet, but that mobo will not allow it to be overclocked
very poor mix

for the am4 cpu you will need new mobo and ddr4 ram

[tacoshy]

First the H97 is from Intel, why would Intel support AMD prodcuts when they are both competing with each other?
2nd, the Intel uses LGA (pins on the motherboard) while AMD uses PGA (pins on the CPU).

YOu have to look at the socket of the motherboard and the socket of the CPU - they must be identical to fit. To actually run they even need to be supportet which you find out at the manufacturer website of your motherboard.

[tacoshy]

Publicado originalmente por _I_:

4790k is a good cpu yet, but that mobo will not allow it to be overclocked
very poor mix

of course you can overclock on that motherboard. H97 has limited overclock possibilities but they still have enough to do a light to medicore OC.

[_I_]

3% fsb oc isnt enough to worry about imho
z97 board would allow for 10-25+% oc

[tacoshy]

Publicado originalmente por _I_:

3% fsb oc isnt enough to worry about imho
z97 board would allow for 10-15+% oc

youc an overclock through multipleir with H97 when ahvign an unlocked CPU. FSB (actually BCLK OC) is onyl required when using a locked CPU outside the locked multipleir range.
Before Skylake you could change multiplier of locked CPU's within a certain range.

https://thepcenthusiast.com/asus-h97-h87-b85-and-h81-motherboards-overclock-unlock-processors/

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Waryth:

Can my H97M-G43 support AMD's Ryzen 7 3800X/3700X in terms of compatibility?

I'm currently using i7-4790K atm.

Also how to know if its compatible to my motherboard?

As others have said, it's not compatible. To move up to Ryzen 3000, you want an AMD B350/450 or X370/470/570 chipset motherboard (Every board but X570 needs a BIOS update for 3000 series, but Gigabyte boards with Q-Flash allow for updating the BIOS without a CPU) and at least DDR4-3200 CL14~16 RAM. (G.Skill FlareX is the best balance between power and cost when compared to pricier DDR4-3600 CL14 kits that are generally best when you have a Ryzen 9 CPU)

I don't recommend getting the 3800X, because the performance boost above the 3700X is not worth the price gap, and the 3600 is a much better value for gaming if you're only seeking to play games. The only mainstream Ryzen 3000 CPUs I recommend are the 3200G, 3400G, 3600, 3700X, and 3900X (I would include the 3950X, but it's really expensive and hasn't been released yet)

The 3600X and 3800X are pointless because you essentially pay extra money for the same CPU but with a higher out of box clock that the SKU below it can achieve anyway. The money spent on the 3600X or 3800X could be used to get a better cooler for the 3600 or 3700X and allow some good CCX overclocking, something which the stock coolers aren't really made for.

[Waryth]

Publicado originalmente por 𝓞𝓶𝓮𝓰𝓪:

No, you need a motherboard with the AM4 socket. These CPUs will not fit in your board.

Publicado originalmente por Bruno24 | Gift-Drop.com:

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Publicado originalmente por hawkeye:

Publicado originalmente por Waryth:

Also how to know if its compatible to my motherboard?

Two ways - the cpus supported are listed on the manufacturers website's mobo page, or once you know the socket type look here -

your mobo is lga 1150

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/socketType.html#id7

I see, thank you for your swift responses!

Publicado originalmente por _I_:

4790k is a good cpu yet, but that mobo will not allow it to be overclocked
very poor mix

for the am4 cpu you will need new mobo and ddr4 ram

I appreciate the feedback and suggestion. I'll take note of that for upgrades.

Publicado originalmente por tacoshy:

First the H97 is from Intel, why would Intel support AMD prodcuts when they are both competing with each other?

I really didn't know it when I was building my gaming PC, I simply cared about getting a fine PC to game on and was low on a budget. This is how I ended up mixing and matching parts.

Are there any proven down sides to using different brands of parts?

[hawkeye]

The gpu is the limiting component in most pc's. What gpu have you got? And what type of games do you want to play?

[Waryth]

Publicado originalmente por Escorve:

I don't recommend getting the 3800X, because the performance boost above the 3700X is not worth the price gap, and the 3600 is a much better value for gaming if you're only seeking to play games. The only mainstream Ryzen 3000 CPUs I recommend are the 3200G, 3400G, 3600, 3700X, and 3900X (I would include the 3950X, but it's really expensive and hasn't been released yet)

The 3600X and 3800X are pointless because you essentially pay extra money for the same CPU but with a higher out of box clock that the SKU below it can achieve anyway. The money spent on the 3600X or 3800X could be used to get a better cooler for the 3600 or 3700X and allow some good CCX overclocking, something which the stock coolers aren't really made for.

Yup, I've come across this one earlier but if I were to get a new CPU it'd be above the average ones instead of the mainstream in which it'd be more beneficial to get a 2nd hand instead.

There's this game I play that requires Dual Core and other players uses Ryzen 7 3700X for their setup so I thought I'd do the same but knowing I couldn't do that, are there any alternatives I can go with for that CPU?

I've been recommended a powerful single core/single thread CPU but my i7-4790K seems to be a bottleneck?

Publicado originalmente por hawkeye:

The gpu is the limiting component in most pc's. What gpu have you got?

RX 570 4GB VRAM

I've used https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ and says its my GPU that's causing the bottleneck but I believe it otherwise because the game requirements demands a strong Dual Core than my Quadcore..

[tacoshy]

Publicado originalmente por Waryth:

Are there any proven down sides to using different brands of parts?

First its manufacturer not Brand. Neither Intel nor AMD or Nvidia would be a Brand, they are manufacturer while GTX/RTX would be a Brand of Nvidia or Curcial a Brand of Micron...

Depends on what you do, but normally just get the cheapest that does the job for you.

There many special cases where the brand matters more or less like:

using Adobe Programs (e.g. Afetr Effect, Animate, Photoshop...) which run way better with Intel.

Gaming through Linux apperently works easier with Nvidia then AMD.

CPU Rendering or Streaming is core depending and would run cheaper on AMD as AMD offers the cores for lower price then Intel as Intel only offers more then 8 cores with the insanely expensive Intel HEDT LineUp

if you do scientific tasks you proberly better off with Intel Xeon Phi 72 cores

if you do server tasks or VM's you better off with Intel Xeon or AMD Epyc

If you want to do OC its easier with Intel then AMD

If youw ant to do AI Research then proberly Nvidia Quadro over AMD

for gaming pretty much comes down what your budget is and what you want to exactly achieve. But as said befor, get the cheapest that does offer the things you want to do.

Publicado originalmente por Waryth:

I've used https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ and says its my GPU that's causing the bottleneck but I believe it otherwise because the game requirements demands a strong Dual Core than my Quadcore..

That site is correct though. Besides a strong dual core is not betetr then the best DDR3 Quad core ever on the market. A Quad Core CPU can do the same as a dual core unless soemthign is soley depending on the clock speed at which point you have no dual core that ebast the 4790K anyways.

[hawkeye]

The rx570 is a lot weaker than the 4790k in relative terms.
It scores about 7,000 on this benchmark chart. Entry level scores currently are about 10,000.
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

So a gpu upgrade is what you should be looking at - either for the 4790k or a better cpu. Otherwise the rx 570 will limit performance.

Your cpu is good for a 14000+ gpu.

[Waryth]

Publicado originalmente por hawkeye:

And what type of games do you want to play?

I believe its against the rules in this sub forum to discuss a specific game related hardware issue but I'll just state that game's requirement I wanted to play:

MINIMUM:

OS: Windows 7 or later
Processor: Intel/AMD Dual Core
Memory: 2 GB RAM
Graphics: Geforce 7600
DirectX: Version 9.0c
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Storage: 5 GB available space

RECOMMENDED:

OS: Windows 7 or later
Processor: Intel Core i3
Memory: 4 GB RAM
Graphics: Geforce 8000
DirectX: Version 9.0c
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Storage: 5 GB available space

In theory I should get smooth gameplay as I pass all these requirements but there's bottleneck somewhere. All I can think of is getting a Dual Core as my Quad Core CPU is bad? Correct me if I'm wrong about it..