RX 590 vs R9 290

[AbductedPug]

Hello I am in a dilemma, Currently I have an R9 290 4GB and I have seen an RX 590 from 8GB to 262$, I would like to know if it is worth the change and pay that 262$.

[Omega]

It will be a minor upgrade. Might be worth it, might not be.

[AbductedPug]

For $179, there's the RX 570, between that and the RX 590 in quality/price which is better.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

What are the games you play where the 290 struggles, that's the real question.

What's the rest of your specs and os. Also what psu model?

[AbductedPug]

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

What are the games you play where the 290 struggles, that's the real question.

What's the rest of your specs and os. Also what psu model?

GTA V in Ultra, The Witcher 3 Ultra with nVidia Hairworks, generally current games in Ultra. The game I'm worried about is RDR 2.

CPU: I5 7400
Ram: 8GB 2133 Mhz
PSU: cougar stx 550W
Os: Windows 10 home.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Step up to 16gb ram, an ssd, clean install of Win10 64bit to the ssd if u don't have one already and an even better gpu. Unless you plan to stay at 1080p/60 for a long time still, then a 590 might be ok. What would help and not cost a whole lot more would be a Vega64. But Vega does require Win10 as far as WinOS goes and you'd need a beefier PSU for a Vega gpu. The only reason that 550W is even ok right now is due to the low power requirements of your current cpu.

But another issue is that gpus above what you already have that could help performance much more, might not help for your machine due to the lacking cpu.

To run those games well in Ultra and maintain a solid 60+ fps at all times, you're going to need an i7 class of cpu and 16gb ram.

What motherboard do u have?

[AbductedPug]

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

Step up to 16gb ram, an ssd, clean install of Win10 64bit to the ssd if u don't have one already and an even better gpu. Unless you plan to stay at 1080p/60 for a long time still, then a 590 might be ok. What would help and not cost a whole lot more would be a Vega64. But Vega does require Win10 as far as WinOS goes and you'd need a beefier PSU for a Vega gpu. The only reason that 550W is even ok right now is due to the low power requirements of your current cpu.

But another issue is that gpus above what you already have that could help performance much more, might not help for your machine due to the lacking cpu.

To run those games well in Ultra and maintain a solid 60+ fps at all times, you're going to need an i7 class of cpu and 16gb ram.

What motherboard do u have?

I currently have 64-bit Windows on an SSD. I have an MSI H110m gaming.

I'm interested in changing the graph to keep it for about 4-5 years, which is how long my R9 has.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Not much point without a better cpu. Things might run a bit smoother or keep a more stable fps range when switching to a newer gpu such as 580 or 590, but overall for many games to pull better stable performance with certain gpus, it will require a better cpu to do this.

A 7400 cpu is already low end, that isn't going to last 4-5 years with even these games you speak of and will be bar minimum for games like RDR2

What I suggest is just saving up toward doing a newer build and leave the current one the way it is.

Such as going with...

AMD Ryzen 3600 cpu minimum
B450 or X570 motherboard
2x8gb ddr4 3000 or 3200
Vega64 or 5700 XT if going amd gpu.
Or gtx 2070 Super if going Nvidia.
650w quality psu
At least one ssd. If tight budget, go 480gb sdd and a decent 7200rpm hdd, like 2tb or larger.
Windowa 10 64bit 1904

[just.kamk /idle]

AbductedPug の投稿を引用：

GTA V in Ultra, The Witcher 3 Ultra with nVidia Hairworks, generally current games in Ultra. The game I'm worried about is RDR 2.

For games like GTA V it will be quite an upgrade, but 262$ for a 590 sounds like a pricy investment overall, especially for such an outdated card.

For a bit more you can opt into current gen nvidia / amd cards, including higher performance.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Yeah you are more limited in those games by your quad-core CPU without hyper-threading and only 8 GB of RAM then by your graphics card, especially when it comes to GTA V.

[SeriousCCIE]

What are your various game/benchmark results?

I have mentioned my R9-290 that I have (its not in my primary gaming system, but is used primarily for gaming in another system).

It's playing games on a 2560x1440 60hz monitor. It plays Doom 2016 at 55 to 60ish fps as an average with no problems. Many other games do well, too.

I ended up adding supplementary cooling to it; the back of the card was bare and reaching 80C; I put a "PCI Slot Fan card" above the card; and added some tiny heatsinks to the exposed components on the back of the card. I was able to drop the temps from 176F/80C to just under 110F/44C. That's the rear of the card near the VRM, mind you. The GPU chip itself is cooled by an CPU AIO cooler with two fans on the 120mm radiator the AIO cooler has.

It runs really well. It's not going to play anything at 4K (well, not on a 2560x1440 monitor at least!), but it did in crossfire with another R9-290.

I guess what I mean to say is that with the right config (hardware that the card is plugged into and surrounded by, and user changes/optimizations via software config), it might still serve your needs.

Of course, if you want to replace it, I wouldn't say don't--I had upgraded from mine in my primary desktop a while ago, but had no reason to dispose of the card. They're still pretty good!

If you have a taste for the exotic but are cheap like me, You might want to look for bios modifications--if you have an R9-290 with two BIOSes (if so, there is a little switch on the card you can toggle to boot the primary or secondary BIOS on the card), you can try updating the primary BIOS on the card with a different BIOS/Firmware that might increase the performance of the card. I mean if you are going to upgrade away from it anyway, maybe you can risk some experimentation. If it fails, toggle the switch to the secondary BIOS and boot back up just as you were before you started experimenting.

I ended up being able to OC my card 20% on the memory and 15% on the core mhz values that way. Incidentally, I started out with two of them in crossfire, but split them up into different systems. They each are still capable of pushing pixels--they do break a sweat--they can get hot--but not many cards of *any* generation went fast without getting hot...

[h_LordEC[no-VC]]

5500XT should be around RX590 performance for ~$200 or a bit less. Not sure when it will show up in retail though.

Edit- $262 for a RX590 is pretty terrible. Another ~$60 gets you a RX5700 and gives you around +50% performance over the RX590.

[AbductedPug]

SeriousCCIE の投稿を引用：

What are your various game/benchmark results?

I have mentioned my R9-290 that I have (its not in my primary gaming system, but is used primarily for gaming in another system).

It's playing games on a 2560x1440 60hz monitor. It plays Doom 2016 at 55 to 60ish fps as an average with no problems. Many other games do well, too.

I ended up adding supplementary cooling to it; the back of the card was bare and reaching 80C; I put a "PCI Slot Fan card" above the card; and added some tiny heatsinks to the exposed components on the back of the card. I was able to drop the temps from 176F/80C to just under 110F/44C. That's the rear of the card near the VRM, mind you. The GPU chip itself is cooled by an CPU AIO cooler with two fans on the 120mm radiator the AIO cooler has.

It runs really well. It's not going to play anything at 4K (well, not on a 2560x1440 monitor at least!), but it did in crossfire with another R9-290.

I guess what I mean to say is that with the right config (hardware that the card is plugged into and surrounded by, and user changes/optimizations via software config), it might still serve your needs.

Of course, if you want to replace it, I wouldn't say don't--I had upgraded from mine in my primary desktop a while ago, but had no reason to dispose of the card. They're still pretty good!

If you have a taste for the exotic but are cheap like me, You might want to look for bios modifications--if you have an R9-290 with two BIOSes (if so, there is a little switch on the card you can toggle to boot the primary or secondary BIOS on the card), you can try updating the primary BIOS on the card with a different BIOS/Firmware that might increase the performance of the card. I mean if you are going to upgrade away from it anyway, maybe you can risk some experimentation. If it fails, toggle the switch to the secondary BIOS and boot back up just as you were before you started experimenting.

I ended up being able to OC my card 20% on the memory and 15% on the core mhz values that way. Incidentally, I started out with two of them in crossfire, but split them up into different systems. They each are still capable of pushing pixels--they do break a sweat--they can get hot--but not many cards of *any* generation went fast without getting hot...

In GTA V all Ultra, MSAA x8 does not exceed 45 FPS, in The Witcher 3 everything in Ultra and Hairwork to the maximum does not exceed 50 FPS. I have the GPU with a Corsair H75.

[AbductedPug]

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

Not much point without a better cpu. Things might run a bit smoother or keep a more stable fps range when switching to a newer gpu such as 580 or 590, but overall for many games to pull better stable performance with certain gpus, it will require a better cpu to do this.

A 7400 cpu is already low end, that isn't going to last 4-5 years with even these games you speak of and will be bar minimum for games like RDR2

What I suggest is just saving up toward doing a newer build and leave the current one the way it is.

Such as going with...

AMD Ryzen 3600 cpu minimum
B450 or X570 motherboard
2x8gb ddr4 3000 or 3200
Vega64 or 5700 XT if going amd gpu.
Or gtx 2070 Super if going Nvidia.
650w quality psu
At least one ssd. If tight budget, go 480gb sdd and a decent 7200rpm hdd, like 2tb or larger.
Windowa 10 64bit 1904

What I want is to be able to play in Ultra/Very High at 60 FPS, making benchmarks seems that yes, the processor is giving problems. Then is it more advisable to change motherboard, cpu and ram and finally graphics card?

[AbductedPug]

Will the RX 570 for $179 be worth it?

[upcoast]

No, it's comparable with a gtx970/gtx1060 3gb.