[Solved] 1TB M.2? or 1TB SSD?

[Cyber2B]

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm just sticking with SATA after listening to CareyHolzman I already got what I need

Which one would be more reliable? The insides of my case get VERY hot underload which is why i'm worried to buy a m.2 for my main SSD

[Vandals[UK]]

𝓔𝓹𝓲𝓬𝓕𝓪𝓬𝓮 eredeti hozzászólása:

Most motherboards support NVME anyways. Why bother with the old M shaped version if it takes 2 of your sata ports while NVME doesn't?

Does any of these 2 NVME looked like M shaped version (or the B Key) to you?

Corsair Force Series MP510 480Mb
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CSSD-F1920GBMP510-Force-MP510-Solid/dp/B07HR5PN9Q/

Sabrent 1Tb Rocket NVME
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Rocket-Internal-Performance-SB-ROCKET-1TB/dp/B07LGF54XR/

Then does this look like a B Key motherboard?
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-A-PRO/Gallery

Page 17 of the User Manual, it says:
Storage:
1x M.2 slot (Key M)
SATA5 and SATA6 ports will be unavailable when installing a M.2 device in M.2 slot.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

I wouldn't buy a SATA drive today.
You get M.2 drives for similar money and they are faster.
Depending on motherboard setup and storage needs there could be an argument for getting SATA now and "save the slot" for a future upgrade if that would be a need but even that isn't something I would recommend.
As for running hotter it's my impression they kinda do then again if your system run too hot I think that should be adressed.
My own case is garbage though. Thinking about getting a Phantek P400A or such. Not a fan of big and heavy cases but currently I do have an ATX motherboard so I can't get something smaller, size-wise I would prefer Mini-ITX but for RAM and M.2 expansions possibly not though 2 DIMM slots and two M.2 I guess is enough .. Cooling in such a case may be somewhat limited too but. I think a well planned Micro-ATX system may be the ideal middle ground but it's not something I can do now.
P400A at-least according to Gamer Jesus has decent air-flow and it kinda have a look and seem sturdy in a way I could support, decent price too. Fractal Design Meshify C isn't bad either.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

From experiences what I suggest for drive setups goes something like this.

OS on a cheap sata or m2 data drive
Use NVME ssd where the best speed matter, such as a designation drive for videos and video editing. Once video edits are complete, copy/move that over to either a another sata hdd, or an external backup drive.

Nvme helps greatly as a drive to compile files on and do edits on and record to. If you render large videos or render 3d object based projects, this is where nvme helps alot.

You do not need an nvme drive to house an os or games, cause sata ssds like Samsung 860 evo are more then fast enough for that.

I usually supply every build with at least 3 drives minimum. Heres a few common uses of drives I usually do commonly in most builds. Both for me and customer, but also depending on customer needs and budget...

> 250-500 gb sata or m2 ssd for os and apps
> 1 tb sata or m2 ssd for games where this extra speed matters, especially large open world games or games that are demanding and have to either load on the fly while in game or would otherwise have longer loads when installed to a hdd.
> 1 tb minimum sata 7200rpm hdd used for less demanding games and for things like user documents, downloads, music, etc.
> 8 tb sata 7200rpm backup hdd, either as internal via sata or external via usb 3.0 to sata enclosure.

[r.linder]

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𝓔𝓹𝓲𝓬𝓕𝓪𝓬𝓮 eredeti hozzászólása:

Thanks. Regular SSD it is then.

That's unless you cover the drive. Some motherboards come with M.2 shrouds that also act as a cooler or that's what manufactures say.

Also don't put a M.2 in the top slot if you want it to not be super hot, a lot of components such as the CPU, VRMs, a GPU backplate are within the vicinity and its where most of the air is pushed out.

I have an M.2 in my top slot which is covered by the GPU, and it's cooler than my M.2 in the other slot which is near the bottom of the board away from everything else by at least 10 C, so your claim that the top slot would result in a hotter SSD isn't true.
In fact, when using an air cooler on the CPU with airflow going down towards the drive or having it right underneath the GPU heatsink where there's airflow from the cooler actually improves airflow to the drive. I have bottom fans pulling air up onto my lower slot SSD as well, cooler air at that.

[Zireth]

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Rachel, The Promised End eredeti hozzászólása:

That's unless you cover the drive. Some motherboards come with M.2 shrouds that also act as a cooler or that's what manufactures say.

Also don't put a M.2 in the top slot if you want it to not be super hot, a lot of components such as the CPU, VRMs, a GPU backplate are within the vicinity and its where most of the air is pushed out.

I have an M.2 in my top slot which is covered by the GPU, and it's cooler than my M.2 in the other slot which is near the bottom of the board away from everything else by at least 10 C, so your claim that the top slot would result in a hotter SSD isn't true.
In fact, when using an air cooler on the CPU with airflow going down towards the drive or having it right underneath the GPU heatsink where there's airflow from the cooler actually improves airflow to the drive.

Sorry, something I was told way back.

So wait, your cooler is pointing down towards the bottom of the case to the GPU and out the bottom? and I thought everyone had theirs pointed towards the IO.

[r.linder]

Rachel, The Promised End eredeti hozzászólása:

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I have an M.2 in my top slot which is covered by the GPU, and it's cooler than my M.2 in the other slot which is near the bottom of the board away from everything else by at least 10 C, so your claim that the top slot would result in a hotter SSD isn't true.
In fact, when using an air cooler on the CPU with airflow going down towards the drive or having it right underneath the GPU heatsink where there's airflow from the cooler actually improves airflow to the drive.

Sorry, something I was told way back.

So wait, your cooler is pointing down towards the bottom of the case to the GPU and out the bottom? and I thought everyone had theirs pointed towards the IO.

1. I have an AIO as an intake on the top as my case only supports 140/280 on top. However, my side fans as exhaust pull a lot of the air out.

2. My bottom fans pull air in from underneath the case and towards my GPU, which cools my bottom M.2 SSD, and the airflow from my 2080 provides airflow to my top M.2 SSD.

TL;DR -- Top and bottom are intakes, side/back is exhaust. If I had an air cooler or 360mm AIO instead then the side/back would be intake and the top would be exhaust (as heat rises)

[dOBER]

Backplate of my gpu is right infront of my nvme slots but no heat problems at all. All you need is good airflow like 16 vents in front which are intakte. Corsair 1000D ftw!

[addic7eD]

If the price is simmilar get M.2, You should check the speeds of M.2 that you want to get as some of them have the same speeds as standard SSD, so then it becomes jsut a matter of the form factor and does your mobo supports it.

If you have doubts between 3000+R/W speeds of M.2 then don't buy it, jsut get standard SSD.. i was in the same boat as you and I bought samsung M.2 NVMe 3500R/W speeds..The difference in speed is not worth it. I think that with standard SSd you get great speed and paying for M.2 nvme.

[Autumn_]

addic7eD eredeti hozzászólása:

If the price is simmilar get M.2, You should check the speeds of M.2 that you want to get as some of them have the same speeds as standard SSD, so then it becomes jsut a matter of the form factor and does your mobo supports it.

If you have doubts between 3000+R/W speeds of M.2 then don't buy it, jsut get standard SSD.. i was in the same boat as you and I bought samsung M.2 NVMe 3500R/W speeds..The difference in speed is not worth it. I think that with standard SSd you get great speed and paying for M.2 nvme.

M.2 is a form factor, not a perfomance standard.
You can get SATA M.2s (the slow ones) and NVMe / PCI-E M.2s (the fast ones.)

An NVMe is pointless if you're only gaming.
However, cases like the 660p, you can buy for cheaper (in most countries iirc) than an 860 evo.
So you're getting better performance for less.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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Rachel, The Promised End eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry, something I was told way back.

So wait, your cooler is pointing down towards the bottom of the case to the GPU and out the bottom? and I thought everyone had theirs pointed towards the IO.

1. I have an AIO as an intake on the top as my case only supports 140/280 on top. However, my side fans as exhaust pull a lot of the air out.

2. My bottom fans pull air in from underneath the case and towards my GPU, which cools my bottom M.2 SSD, and the airflow from my 2080 provides airflow to my top M.2 SSD.

TL;DR -- Top and bottom are intakes, side/back is exhaust. If I had an air cooler or 360mm AIO instead then the side/back would be intake and the top would be exhaust (as heat rises)

Your gpu can't possibly cool the top side m2 ssd. The card itself would physically be between the gpu fans and the ssd, so explain this again? The ssd would need airflow either from a cpu cooler, front case fans or top case fans.

[Vandals[UK]]

Look, if temperature of the NVME troubles you, get one of this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33014926014.html
From Aliexpress

OR
https://www.ebay.com/itm/M-2-NVMe-Aluminum-Heatsink-Cooling-Dissipation-Solid-State-Hard-Drive-Radia-HF/383180682780
From Ebay

1. Apply the thermal pad
2. Put on the heatsink (make sure you leave space for the screw)
3. Strap 2 or 4 rubber bands round it.
4. Insert it to the motherboard.

Done.
No void warranty.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Make sure to use a thermal pad between the ssd and heatsink, otherwise it's not going to do much.

[r.linder]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

1. I have an AIO as an intake on the top as my case only supports 140/280 on top. However, my side fans as exhaust pull a lot of the air out.

2. My bottom fans pull air in from underneath the case and towards my GPU, which cools my bottom M.2 SSD, and the airflow from my 2080 provides airflow to my top M.2 SSD.

TL;DR -- Top and bottom are intakes, side/back is exhaust. If I had an air cooler or 360mm AIO instead then the side/back would be intake and the top would be exhaust (as heat rises)

Your gpu can't possibly cool the top side m2 ssd. The card itself would physically be between the gpu fans and the ssd, so explain this again? The ssd would need airflow either from a cpu cooler, front case fans or top case fans.

There is some airflow from the GPU heatsink blowing onto my SSD, it lines up almost perfectly, hence why Gigabyte put the slot there in the first place.
As I said, it's not in the "usual" spot, it's below the x16 slot, not above it.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Oh below the gpu, yes good idea.

[r.linder]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Oh below the gpu, yes good idea.

I'm surprised that more boards don't have that feature and instead put the slot above the x16 slot. It's not like there isn't plenty of space for one, because there is.