Any 9900k/kf owners here? And what are your silicon lotteries/overclocks/binning results?

[Jelly Donut]

So, I am changing from my delidded binned 8700k to a 9900K or 9900KF. Just asking here if anyone has a 9900K/KF system and what are your experiences with the overclock, silicon lottery thermals, and etc?

I also did some research but not sure if I can believe that the 9900KF has "better overclocking ability" than a 9900K. And, I don't think I wanna spend on the upcoming 9900KS "Special Edition"

Also, with people asking me to switch to Ryzen... I really wish I can but I am using hardware that's sadly forcing me to stick to Intel so. I can't.

How's the experience cooling this fiery hot CPU? :P

I have a build ready for it, a Maximus XI Gene and a H150i Pro... But given I live in a warm country (Singapore) and my sensitivity to sound from the PC (its really next to me) and how warm my 8700k gets, I am kinda concerned.

[r.linder]

Most 9900K users are capable of getting 4.9 GHz all-core.

[Jelly Donut]

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Most 9900K users are capable of getting 4.9 GHz all-core.

My target is at least a 9900K/KF with 5Ghz all core at 1.30V or 1.25V (Prob need a golden chip)

[r.linder]

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Most 9900K users are capable of getting 4.9 GHz all-core.

My target is at least a 9900K/KF with 5Ghz all core at 1.30V or 1.25V (Prob need a golden chip)

It's a much smaller metric for being able to do 5GHz all-core, unfortunately, hence why Intel probably will price the 9900KS at 600$ US. (Despite confirmed 5GHz all-core 9900Ks are sold for a little bit less)

[Jelly Donut]

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My target is at least a 9900K/KF with 5Ghz all core at 1.30V or 1.25V (Prob need a golden chip)

It's a much smaller metric for being able to do 5GHz all-core, unfortunately, hence why Intel probably will price the 9900KS at 600$ US. (Despite confirmed 5GHz all-core 9900Ks are sold for a little bit less)

I suppose... But then, I just feel like a 9900KS is a binned one with a "higher guarantee" :(

also trying to save a buck and see if I can gamble in the silicon lottery haha

[Cheezus Crisp]

I live in Singapore as well and binned about 5 chips before keeping the current 9900K that I have. It's running at 5.2 GHz at 82C during a full load with a custom water cooled setup. My room's ambient temperature is typically at 25-27C. I'm pretty sure I can push the chip to 5.3GHz while staying stable but I'm already pushing at temps that I wouldn't feel comfortable going any higher. Voltage is at 1.33. As for the 9900KF, I don't have any personal experience for it but it seems like it's Intel's factory binned version of the 9900K as I can't exactly see much of a difference on it apart from the all core factory boost that it has.

[r.linder]

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It's a much smaller metric for being able to do 5GHz all-core, unfortunately, hence why Intel probably will price the 9900KS at 600$ US. (Despite confirmed 5GHz all-core 9900Ks are sold for a little bit less)

I suppose... But then, I just feel like a 9900KS is a binned one with a "higher guarantee" :(

also trying to save a buck and see if I can gamble in the silicon lottery haha

Not like it's going to matter much anyway. You don't need 5 GHz, you just want it.
If you're only gaming, then a 9700K will give the same result as a 9900K when both are identically clocked.

[Jelly Donut]

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I live in Singapore as well and binned about 5 chips before keeping the current 9900K that I have. It's running at 5.2 GHz at 82C during a full load with a custom water cooled setup. My room's ambient temperature is typically at 25-27C. I'm pretty sure I can push the chip to 5.3GHz while staying stable but I'm already pushing at temps that I wouldn't feel comfortable going any higher. Voltage is at 1.33. As for the 9900KF, I don't have any personal experience for it but it seems like it's Intel's factory binned version of the 9900K as I can't exactly see much of a difference on it apart from the all core factory boost that it has.

thanks for the valuable info. But darn, thats pretty warm. 82C at 1.33, I don't always like turning on the A/C for you know why reason ($$$$)

Do you think the KF uses "better binned silicon" or "bad binned silicon"? :P

My 8700k hits about 75-80C while doing a 4K-224K test on Prime95 (5Ghz, 1.30V, AVX 2, LLC 8, Intel's Fail Safe)

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I suppose... But then, I just feel like a 9900KS is a binned one with a "higher guarantee" :(

also trying to save a buck and see if I can gamble in the silicon lottery haha

Not like it's going to matter much anyway. You don't need 5 GHz, you just want it.
If you're only gaming, then a 9700K will give the same result as a 9900K when both are identically clocked.

I do background stuff as well. So need a 9900k. I might as well not change to a 9700k since the performance to my current 8700k is prob equivalent anyway,

[Monk]

My 9900k will do 5.3 sort of.... On the h150i it frankly gets to hot and shuts down lol, sits fairly cool at 5GHz, got a big custom loop planned (have half the bits), and was planning to swap mobo and go binning for a faster chip myself, before realising, I got lucky right off the bat.

Really, it doesn't make that much difference if its at 4.8 or 5.3 for gaming.

Though the huge price drops coming for the x299 chips would make me look at them over a 9900k now.

[Jelly Donut]

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My 9900k will do 5.3 sort of.... On the h150i it frankly gets to hot and shuts down lol, sits fairly cool at 5GHz, got a big custom loop planned (have half the bits), and was planning to swap mobo and go binning for a faster chip myself, before realising, I got lucky right off the bat.

Really, it doesn't make that much difference if its at 4.8 or 5.3 for gaming.

Though the huge price drops coming for the x299 chips would make me look at them over a 9900k now.

Wow, you got the golden chip I guess? What voltage did u run at 5.3 lol

I can't go x299 due to the budget.

[Monk]

Yeah I think I got lucky, I wanted a monoblock, same as my main rig, but turns out, no one makes one for the z390 Asus maximus xi code (they do for all the other variants though), which is why I didn't buy the formula in the first place, so was going to swap mobo and bin a bunch of chips, but, on seeing I got a golden chip pretty much, decided not to bother.

That was done messily in like 45 minutes when I first built it, I think I just set it to like 1.4v or something, plan was ways to custom loop it so haven't ever really spent any time ocing it as it is, so the cpu is on a 5GHz auto oc profile and the gpu only has a quick memory oc and oc on a curve, I'll spend some time actually ocing it properly when I eventually build the loop.

X299 is about to have a HUGE price drop to counter the new TR, so it won't cost you as much as you think by the time you sell your motherboard as well, I think the 14 core is droppi g to like £600 and the 18 to 960, down from 1800!

Kind of destroying the value of my binned and delided 7900X 10 core in the process lol

[Cheezus Crisp]

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I live in Singapore as well and binned about 5 chips before keeping the current 9900K that I have. It's running at 5.2 GHz at 82C during a full load with a custom water cooled setup. My room's ambient temperature is typically at 25-27C. I'm pretty sure I can push the chip to 5.3GHz while staying stable but I'm already pushing at temps that I wouldn't feel comfortable going any higher. Voltage is at 1.33. As for the 9900KF, I don't have any personal experience for it but it seems like it's Intel's factory binned version of the 9900K as I can't exactly see much of a difference on it apart from the all core factory boost that it has.

thanks for the valuable info. But darn, thats pretty warm. 82C at 1.33, I don't always like turning on the A/C for you know why reason ($$$$)

Do you think the KF uses "better binned silicon" or "bad binned silicon"? :P

My 8700k hits about 75-80C while doing a 4K-224K test on Prime95 (5Ghz, 1.30V, AVX 2, LLC 8, Intel's Fail Safe)

From a profit standpoint of Intel it's always likely their binning standards is much lower than overclocking enthusiasts. But binning is rather time consuming since I ship my parts from overseas and it gets expensive as well. If you're looking for a binned chip on the cheap, going for a KF seems like the safer route to go since I've seen people try to bin over 100 chips without any luck. Two out of the 5 9900K chips didnt even go past 5.1GHz before shutting down. The other two were at 90+C and undervolting didn't do much of a difference.

[tacoshy]

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My 9900k will do 5.3 sort of.... On the h150i it frankly gets to hot and shuts down lol, sits fairly cool at 5GHz, got a big custom loop planned (have half the bits), and was planning to swap mobo and go binning for a faster chip myself, before realising, I got lucky right off the bat.

Really, it doesn't make that much difference if its at 4.8 or 5.3 for gaming.

Though the huge price drops coming for the x299 chips would make me look at them over a 9900k now.

Wow, you got the golden chip I guess? What voltage did u run at 5.3 lol

I can't go x299 due to the budget.

not necessarily. The real limit in overclocking is the thermal abrrier. 9th Gen chips are soldered which sounds good but actually is a bad thing for overclocking.
The reason why previos chips where nto soldered was that it was causing micrcrackings over time. To overcome that issue Intel not increased the protective silicon layer which is bad thermal by more then twice. So to get actually a good temperature you still need to delid and now also grind down the silicon layer with special sandpaper (die lapping).

Like I said the real limit is the thermal barrier. Modern Intel CPU's are fine up to their rated 1.52V while AMD Ryzen also at least is safe 1.45V. I OC'ed my 7700K to 5.5GHz with a vCore of 1.465V which was fine but befor modification was impossible because of the thermal barrier.

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the 9900K is tbh not that hot. There are way hotter chips like the LGA-2066 CPU's. Its your coolign solution and the soldering which ppl cried to Intel to do and now actually backfires.
That happens when ppl that have no idea why big companies do stuff liek they do think that they are smarter then Intel and Intel should just do what they ask. Now Intel did solder the CPu as they where constantly asked giving betetr temps when you not OC but outside of that it now backfires and gives worse temps while also highly increase the risk and the required efford to modify that CPU.

[Jelly Donut]

I see.. Thanks for the info both of ya..

So, 9900KF. Just to an attempt to squeeze out temps, I will try sending it away for delidding service like my 8700k had. From what I know the solder on Intel is not even as good as Ryzen's and could potentially drop up to 8C (Worth trying anyway haha)

As for lapping, I don't know how to do it nor can I find anyone in Singapore who can do that for me. But I suppose its a really risky task to do and not for the faint hearted I guess. haha

Just trying to squeeze out more cooling due to how warm it is here and was watching Der8aur do it

[tacoshy]

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I see.. Thanks for the info both of ya..

So, 9900KF. Just to an attempt to squeeze out temps, I will try sending it away for delidding service like my 8700k had. From what I know the solder on Intel is not even as good as Ryzen's and could potentially drop up to 8C (Worth trying anyway haha)

As for lapping, I don't know how to do it nor can I find anyone in Singapore who can do that for me. But I suppose its a really risky task to do and not for the faint hearted I guess. haha

Just trying to squeeze out more cooling due to how warm it is here and was watching Der8aur do it

https://youtu.be/r5Doo-zgyQs?t=667

you should watch the entire video - the author of the video is germans #1 OC guy. Proberly with 8pack the best sources to understand the world of overclocking and hardware modifications.

[Jelly Donut]

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I see.. Thanks for the info both of ya..

So, 9900KF. Just to an attempt to squeeze out temps, I will try sending it away for delidding service like my 8700k had. From what I know the solder on Intel is not even as good as Ryzen's and could potentially drop up to 8C (Worth trying anyway haha)

As for lapping, I don't know how to do it nor can I find anyone in Singapore who can do that for me. But I suppose its a really risky task to do and not for the faint hearted I guess. haha

Just trying to squeeze out more cooling due to how warm it is here and was watching Der8aur do it

https://youtu.be/r5Doo-zgyQs?t=667

you should watch the entire video - the author of the video is germans #1 OC guy. Proberly with 8pack the best sources to understand the world of overclocking and hardware modifications.

I already watched this.