Eldin 2019 年 9 月 25 日 下午 4:55
Can't connect to the internet
I had some problems with internet in the past few months and I reported the issue to my ISP.
Today they sent somebody to see what's the problem, but I was at work when guy arrived.
When I came back home I saw that he replaced the router.
Router is ZXHN H267N V1.0 V1.0

So I turn on my PC and then I realized that it has no internet access.
Through further investigation, I realized that devices connected to WLAN and LAN1 have internet access, but devices connected to LAN2, LAN3 and LAN4 don't have internet.

I remembered that I have to enable them in router settings, so I did that.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1872735636
But it still doesn't work.

I have 2 devices that need to be connected to LAN.
My PC and Raspberry Pi.
They both have internet when I connect them to LAN1.
But when I connect them to LAN2, 3 or 4, they don't have internet.

Devices connected to LAN2, 3, and 4 can access stuff from local network, but can't access rest of the internet.

Windows Network Troubleshooting says this
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1872738342


On the old router, both Pi and PC worked at the same time. But on this router, only device connected to LAN1 works.


Can somebody please help me fix this?
I'm tired AF, but I won't be able to fall asleep until I sort this out.
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emoticorpse 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 8:07 
引用自 Eldin
引用自 emoticorpse
.But I was under the impression you can simply plug the router into the working ethernet port on the modem and you're good to go. I mean that's what I do and what a lot of people do. Not sure what I'm missing. I guess I'm talking about AP mode which is what normal routers operate on?. Can someone explain to me why he can't just hook up another router to his modem and be perfectly set like everyone else?. Is it a matter of the money?. They're not that expensive.

Edit: I guess they are expensive. Mine looks like is about $100 bucks. I don't remember paying that much for it but I guess I did.
I don't have separate modem and router.
Router acts as both modem and router.
Telephone cable is plugged in into the router and that's it.

This is how router acts when I plug phone cable in it:
-First I restore it to default settings
-About minute after connecting it automatically downloads new settings from ACS server and reboots itself. After this, I can't log in as admin anymore.
-Then it downloads something again, reboots again and SSID changes to what ISP has set.

But if I log in as admin and disable ACS before router reboots, it doesn't download their settings and I can keep admin access.
But the problem is that without their automatically configured settings, I don't have access to the internet.
I tried manually configuring router settings, but whatever I do, it doesn't work.
I've read somewhere that I have to type PPPoE username and password in those settings.
But I don't have those.


If I purchase new router, I don't know how will it act.
Will it also automatically download settings and change admin password so I can't log in anymore, or I'll have to configure that router manually?
And if I can't configure this router manually, I don't know will I be able to do that when I purchase new router.

I mean though you just use the junk modem the way it is with one working ethernet port and plug a seperate wifi router into it and use that for all your connectivity?.
Eldin 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 9:45 
引用自 emoticorpse
I mean though you just use the junk modem the way it is with one working ethernet port and plug a seperate wifi router into it and use that for all your connectivity?.
Cool. I didn't knew that would work.
So, basically I would connect that router to LAN1 port on ZTE router and I will be able to use ZTE for STBs and WiFi in one room?
And all LAN ports will work on new router so I can connect PC and Raspberry?
And I'll have WiFi signal from that new router too?

Sorry for asking dumb question. I just never saw any other router than ZTE in real life.

And which one should I buy?
Purchasing electric from local stores is not an option because they only sell overpriced junk that breaks in few months.
So I'm usually purchasing from GearBest.
I'm planning to spend about $30
$50 is the maximum I could give.
https://m.gearbest.com/Router-_gear/
Which one should I get?
emoticorpse 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 5:28 
引用自 Eldin
引用自 emoticorpse
I mean though you just use the junk modem the way it is with one working ethernet port and plug a seperate wifi router into it and use that for all your connectivity?.
Cool. I didn't knew that would work.
So, basically I would connect that router to LAN1 port on ZTE router and I will be able to use ZTE for STBs and WiFi in one room?
And all LAN ports will work on new router so I can connect PC and Raspberry?
And I'll have WiFi signal from that new router too?

Sorry for asking dumb question. I just never saw any other router than ZTE in real life.

And which one should I buy?
Purchasing electric from local stores is not an option because they only sell overpriced junk that breaks in few months.
So I'm usually purchasing from GearBest.
I'm planning to spend about $30
$50 is the maximum I could give.
https://m.gearbest.com/Router-_gear/
Which one should I get?

I am imagining it will work. Can't make any promises but that's why I would like someone else to step in and correct me if I'm wrong. I always get a modem and a seperate router. I disable my modem's wifi ability and use a real router for my connectivity. Unfortunately it cuts down my bandwidth of my ISP's internet because it's not on wire but I'm fine with that. If I really wanted or was close enough I'd go with wire but wireless is fast enough for me.

the ASUS RT - AC1200GU AC1200M looks pretty good for the price.
Eldin 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 8:54 
引用自 emoticorpse
I am imagining it will work. Can't make any promises but that's why I would like someone else to step in and correct me if I'm wrong. I always get a modem and a seperate router. I disable my modem's wifi ability and use a real router for my connectivity. Unfortunately it cuts down my bandwidth of my ISP's internet because it's not on wire but I'm fine with that. If I really wanted or was close enough I'd go with wire but wireless is fast enough for me.

the ASUS RT - AC1200GU AC1200M looks pretty good for the price.
If someone knows exactly will it work, then I'm gonna buy it.

My internet is already slow (Speedtest usually shows download between 2 and 5 Mbps and upload between 0.2 and 0.4 Mbps)
So I would use wired connection because I don't want to slow it down even further.

So, how would exactly I connect the router?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875016235
My ZTE router is getting connection through that DSL port.
And that ASUS router also has 1 DSL and 4 LAN ports.
Do I connect Ethernet cable from ZTE's LAN1 to ASUS's LAN1?
Or is there Ethernet to DSL cable so can connect ZTE's LAN1 to ASUS's DSL port?
And what's the difference between that LAN4 port on ZTE router and other 3 LAN ports?
最後修改者:Eldin; 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 8:59
emoticorpse 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 9:03 
引用自 Eldin
引用自 emoticorpse
I am imagining it will work. Can't make any promises but that's why I would like someone else to step in and correct me if I'm wrong. I always get a modem and a seperate router. I disable my modem's wifi ability and use a real router for my connectivity. Unfortunately it cuts down my bandwidth of my ISP's internet because it's not on wire but I'm fine with that. If I really wanted or was close enough I'd go with wire but wireless is fast enough for me.

the ASUS RT - AC1200GU AC1200M looks pretty good for the price.
If someone knows exactly will it work, then I'm gonna buy it.

My internet is already slow (Speedtest usually shows download between 2 and 5 Mbps and upload between 0.2 and 0.4 Mbps)
So I would use wired connection because I don't want to slow it down even further.

So, how would exactly I connect the router?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875016235
My ZTE router is getting connection through that DSL port.
And that ASUS router also has 1 DSL and 4 LAN ports.
Do I connect Ethernet cable from ZTE''s LAN1 to ASUS's LAN1?
Or is there Ethernet to DSL cable soI can connect ZTE's LAN1 to ASUS's DSL port?
And what's the difference between that LAN4 port on ZTE router and other 3 LAN ports?

well, mine isn't really slow it's just not as fast as I can get on wire. I pay for like 150 mbps but get like 60-70 mbps over wifi. If that's your modem the router should go into LAN1 (if that's the working port). The modem should have like a seperate input port where the modem is going to feed the internet to like in this picture (https://dlcdnimgs.asus.com/websites/global/products/assWQeKLLsXNBIXl/img/rt-ac66U_b1.jpg). I disable the wi-fi capabilities on my actual modem leaving just my router spitting out a wi-fi signal. From the router you should be able to connect whatever you want to the lan ports or wi-fi. You should be able to use all four ports on the router unless the router you get is gimped somehow also. I guess that 4th port is higher speed or for some special need that i don't know and wouldn't even bother to google. Really shouldn't matter. You should be able to connect to that one with the router if you want, I don't think it would hurt the connection. As far as the modem is concerned when you connect the router it's just the same as any other device asking for internet access, but the router is really turning that one ip into a bunch of different ip's for everyone else.
Eldin 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 9:43 
Thanks everyone for helping.
I'm gonna buy that router and hope it'll work fine.
iceman1980 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:09 
引用自 Eldin
Thanks everyone for helping.
I'm gonna buy that router and hope it'll work fine.

I need to explain something you'll need to know. There is two ways of connecting a router to another device.

WAN to LAN
or
LAN to LAN

In a LAN to LAN configuration you will have to disable your DHCP server on the first router.

in a WAN to LAN you can leave both DHCP servers active IF they have separate network address. For example

10.0.0.1 (Main router) (DHCP server active)
192.168.0.1 (Secondary router active)

emoticorpse 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:12 
引用自 Tarantula Hawk
引用自 Eldin
Thanks everyone for helping.
I'm gonna buy that router and hope it'll work fine.

I need to explain something you'll need to know. There is two ways of connecting a router to another device.

WAN to LAN
or
LAN to LAN

In a LAN to LAN configuration you will have to disable your DHCP server on the first router.

in a WAN to LAN you can leave both DHCP servers active IF they have separate network address. For example

10.0.0.1 (Main router) (DHCP server active)
192.168.0.1 (Secondary router active)

Not sure if he's confused by this but I am. I just plug my router into my modem without disabling dhcp on either. What is the difference between WAN to LAN or LAN to LAN as far as regular home setups go?.
iceman1980 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:13 
引用自 emoticorpse
引用自 Tarantula Hawk

I need to explain something you'll need to know. There is two ways of connecting a router to another device.

WAN to LAN
or
LAN to LAN

In a LAN to LAN configuration you will have to disable your DHCP server on the first router.

in a WAN to LAN you can leave both DHCP servers active IF they have separate network address. For example

10.0.0.1 (Main router) (DHCP server active)
192.168.0.1 (Secondary router active)

Not sure if he's confused by this but I am. I just plug my router into my modem without disabling dhcp on either. What is the difference between WAN to LAN or LAN to LAN as far as regular home setups go?.

You can segment the networks more, you can have both NAT's active on both devices. Technically WAN to LAN is much more secure. It gets more complicated when you start introducing things like multiple subnets and multiple routers using a routing protocol.
最後修改者:iceman1980; 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:14
emoticorpse 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:15 
引用自 Tarantula Hawk
引用自 emoticorpse

Not sure if he's confused by this but I am. I just plug my router into my modem without disabling dhcp on either. What is the difference between WAN to LAN or LAN to LAN as far as regular home setups go?.

You can segment the networks more, you can have both NAT's active on both devices. Technically WAN to LAN is much more secure.

But anyone can choose to do this or not?. It's not like if you leave dhcp active on both devices it will break his internet?.
iceman1980 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:15 
Yes. it just starts to really matter when you start dealing with broadcast domains. But it's not really an issue when dealing with Class C address spaces with a /24 mask
最後修改者:iceman1980; 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:16
iceman1980 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:19 
引用自 emoticorpse
引用自 Tarantula Hawk
Yes.

So the smartest thing to do is disable nat on router?.

I run double NATs doesn't really both me.
emoticorpse 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:19 
引用自 Tarantula Hawk
Yes. it just starts to really matter when you start dealing with broadcast domains. But it's not really an issue when dealing with Class C address spaces with a /24 mask

I still don't fully get it but how much more secure is it if you take that extra step and why is it more secure?.
iceman1980 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:40 
引用自 emoticorpse
引用自 Tarantula Hawk
Yes. it just starts to really matter when you start dealing with broadcast domains. But it's not really an issue when dealing with Class C address spaces with a /24 mask

I still don't fully get it but how much more secure is it if you take that extra step and why is it more secure?.

WAN to LAN is technically more secure because your devices are isolated from the other LAN so this means your devices that are inside the LAN connection isn't broadcast outside that LAN. So things like broadcast messages ARP and the alike sent across the network are not received by every device. In a LAN to LAN and the LANs are in the same subnet if they can communicate E.g 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 and
192.168.0.5 255.255.255.0 these are in the same subnet therefore they are in the same broadcast domain. Meaning any broadcast messages are received by all 253 other computers in this subnet. When a switch receives a broadcast it forwards it out all ports except the one it received it on. Now you can segment broadcast domains on LANs but consumer grade equipment isn't really made for this and this is where routers and switches become a bit blurred to have separate broadcast domains you need VLANs, VLANS or virtual local area networks allow you to separate different groups of ports from each other this means VLANs from one network cannot communicate with each other, but they can if you introduce a layer 3 routing device. The two main ways are router on stick and SVI or Switched Virtual Interface basically an SVI is a virtualized interface similar to a single port router on stick than can take a lot more traffic usually reserved for high performance layer 3 switches.

Ideally you want to use a router to separate broadcast domains from each other. For example

Company A has a multi-homed WAN say high speed DWDM network has a specific IP thats not broadcast across the internet as it's a Private leased line, you don't want to advertise your LAN inside network to the outside WAN network. So you'd use the router advertise ONLY the needed networks to allow connection with the other WAN network. Because behind your "NAT" network the router is going to receive the messages from the LAN then translate them into Dynamic-NAT tables resulting in a few different IPs being sent to the router translating the company inside network addresses to outside addresses. The answer to your question is long and complicated and the CCNA covers it in some detail but not enough.

LAN to LAN configurations are much more simple. Most devices which are not enterprise cannot have individual NICs configured with different IP addresses whereas on things like MicroTIK, Ubquiti, Juniper, and CISCO can all have different IPs for each NIC port. Routers for very large high performance networks like found in data centers are seldom used these days, most is now hanadled by AISC chips that can route in the order of Gigabits even Terabits of line speed.

Cataylst series which are designed for ISPs 6500X's etc. Can do this.

In summary routers form the boundries between each network and handle things like NAT tables, firewall filtering, QoS prioritisation, and dynamic routing / static routing. As I said most of this doesn't matter to the average home user. Unless your like me who is a power user who uses homelabs.
最後修改者:iceman1980; 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:51
emoticorpse 2019 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:52 
引用自 Tarantula Hawk
引用自 emoticorpse

I still don't fully get it but how much more secure is it if you take that extra step and why is it more secure?.

WAN to LAN is technically more secure because your devices are isolated from the other LAN so this means your devices that are inside the LAN connection isn't broadcast outside that LAN. So things like broadcast messages ARP and the alike sent across the network are not received by every device. In a LAN to LAN and the LANs are in the same subnet if they can communicate E.g 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 and
192.168.0.5 255.255.255.0 these are in the same subnet therefore they are in the same broadcast domain. Meaning any broadcast messages are received by all 253 other computers in this subnet. When a switch receives a broadcast it forwards it out all ports except the one it received it on. Now you can segment broadcast domains on LANs but consumer grade equipment isn't really made for this and this is where routers and switches become a bit blurred to have separate broadcast domains you need VLANs, VLANS or virtual local area networks allow you to separate different groups of ports from each other this means VLANs from one network cannot communicate with each other, but they can if you introduce a layer 3 routing device. The two main ways are router on stick and SVI or Switched Virtual Interface basically an SVI is a virtualized interface similar to a single port router on stick than can take a lot more traffic usually reserved for high performance layer 3 switches.

Ideally you want to use a router to separate broadcast domains from each other. For example

Company A has a multi-homed WAN say high speed DWDM network has a specific IP thats not broadcast across the internet as it's a Private leased line, you don't want to advertise your LAN inside network to the outside WAN network. So you'd use the router advertise ONLY the needed networks to allow connection with the other WAN network. Because behind your "NAT" network the router is going to receive the messages from the LAN then translate them into Dynamic-NAT tables resulting in a few different IPs being sent to the router translating the company inside network addresses to outside addresses. The answer to your question is long and complicated and the CCNA covers it in some detail but not enough.

LAN to LAN configurations are much more simple. Most devices which are not enterprise cannot have individual NICs configured with different IP addresses whereas on things like MicroTIK, Ubquiti, Juniper, and CISCO can all have different IPs for each NIC port. Routers for very large high performance networks like found in data centers are seldom used these days, most is now hanadled by AISC chips that can route in the order of Gigabits even Terabits of line speed.

Cataylst series which are designed for ISPs 6500X's etc. Can do this.

In summary routers form the boundries between each network and handle things like NAT tables, firewall filtering, QoS prioritisation, and dynamic routing / static routing.

Yeah, all that seems way over my head. But when you said there's something he needs to know I thought it was like his internet won't work for sure unless he disables dhcp or something.
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