Best GTX 1080 Ti version?

[Atrumoris]

For gaming of course. When I started looking into this graphics card I was gobsmacked when I found out how many versions of this GPU exists. There are even several versions of this card from single manufacturer. After some research I personally concluded that the best version in terms of raw power is GTX 1080 Ti - RoG Strix from Asus, while the most aesthetically pleasing is the original one, Founders Edition from Nvidia. This is, as I stated earlier, just my personal opinion and since I'm not really that much of an expert when it comes to hardware I'd like to hear it from you peeps.

BTW if you think there are even more powerful GPUs for gaming please let me know, I'd definitely like to check those out as well.

[John Doe]

引用自 §hλŋqʂ：

引用自 John Doe：

He's saying that Kingpin cards are guaranteed to OC higher than any other, and they're not. That's his argument.

No, he's saying the K|NGP|N is guarnteed to overclock to a minimum of 2025MHz, which happens to be correct.

Tell me how come you know this. Did you buy a lot of them and tested each? What happens when one Kingpin doesn't OC to 2025? This is really stupid.

[shanqs]

引用自 John Doe：

引用自 §hλŋqʂ：

No, he's saying the K|NGP|N is guarnteed to overclock to a minimum of 2025MHz, which happens to be correct.

Tell me how come you know this. Did you buy a lot of them and tested each? What happens when one Kingpin doesn't OC to 2025? This is really stupid.

So then you accuse EVGA of being liars then, fine.

[John Doe]

引用自 §hλŋqʂ：

引用自 John Doe：

Tell me how come you know this. Did you buy a lot of them and tested each? What happens when one Kingpin doesn't OC to 2025? This is really stupid.

So then you accuse EVGA of being liars then, fine.

Where does it say that the Kingpin is guaranteed to OC to 2025 mhz? Please show me.

[shanqs]

引用自 John Doe：

引用自 §hλŋqʂ：

So then you accuse EVGA of being liars then, fine.

Where does it say that the Kingpin is guaranteed to OC to 2025 mhz? Please show me.

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6798-KR

[Revelene]

引用自 Monk：

Problem is keeping the cards cool enough to maintain those speeds, once the card hits 50c ish it's dropped from its max possible clock, another drop is around 63 with a final big drop around 80c.

Yesi had bad luck getting 5 faulty cards, but I suspect most of those issues were a result of the components being swapped from the stock frame to the elites, even then, only the 2 cards that had severe heat issues (as in 90 degrees within minutes) failed to hit 2k, had 2 true winners and a trio of 'good' cards, atleast clock wise.

The reason the kingpins are designed for LN2 and extreme overclocking is the triple bios, uprated components, reinforced PCB, voltage measurement points etc all designed to make it far aside and pointless for those who don't.

In the grand scheme of things, even with temp and voltage limitations of Pascal, it is quite easy to maintain over 2ghz.

Seriously, it just sounds like you have had terrible luck. Out of all the Pascal cards that have came across my bench, both personal and business, have been faulty. Faulty cards are not exactly a measure of the ability for Pascal clocks. Each card replacement worked as intended and had no problem reaching over 2ghz.

You keep saying that Kingpin is for LN2, yet the record holder is a reference card on LN2. Just goes to show that all the extras just really isn't necessary with Pascal, especially when these extras don't change the limitations of Pascal.

[Monk]

They will all hit it, if it doesn't it's faulty and can be RMA'd, that's why they can advertise it, if they don't, they are in serious legal problems from false advertising.
The fact evga is far smaller than Asus is why they do this, it's part of the branding.
Honestly I wasn't Impressed with my evga cards and probably won't use them in the future, you know having 5 faulty cards plus huge delivery delays kind of leaves a bad taste, but that doesn't change that they do cherry pick and charge a large premium for the kingpins, a premium that is not worth it unless you plan to use the other features mind you.
I'm sorry you don't understand this after myself and others have tried to explain it calmly, while you begin insulting me through ignorance.

[John Doe]

The fact that you sent back 5 faulty cards should have taught you that they're lying with their BS, but instead, you call me ignorant.

They can't guarantee crap. If the card doesn't OC to 2025, then it's NOT guaranteed. I bet there have been more than one owner of a Kingpin who hasn't seen 2025. It's not a part of the branding, it's a part of MARKETING.

[Monk]

引用自 Revelene：

引用自 Monk：

Problem is keeping the cards cool enough to maintain those speeds, once the card hits 50c ish it's dropped from its max possible clock, another drop is around 63 with a final big drop around 80c.

Yesi had bad luck getting 5 faulty cards, but I suspect most of those issues were a result of the components being swapped from the stock frame to the elites, even then, only the 2 cards that had severe heat issues (as in 90 degrees within minutes) failed to hit 2k, had 2 true winners and a trio of 'good' cards, atleast clock wise.

The reason the kingpins are designed for LN2 and extreme overclocking is the triple bios, uprated components, reinforced PCB, voltage measurement points etc all designed to make it far aside and pointless for those who don't.

In the grand scheme of things, even with temp and voltage limitations of Pascal, it is quite easy to maintain over 2ghz.

Seriously, it just sounds like you have had terrible luck. Out of all the Pascal cards that have came across my bench, both personal and business, have been faulty. Faulty cards are not exactly a measure of the ability for Pascal clocks. Each card replacement worked as intended and had no problem reaching over 2ghz.

You keep saying that Kingpin is for LN2, yet the record holder is a reference card on LN2. Just goes to show that all the extras just really isn't necessary with Pascal, especially when these extras don't change the limitations of Pascal.

Yes I had bad luck,most I believe caused when they upgraded the stock ftw3 cards to the elite model with the custom shroud.

As for most hit 2GHz very few if any 1080ti boost to 2GHz out of the box, they pretty much all need to be overclocked, and when they are temperature from prolonged use, bad airflow or extra heat from sli will often drop it below that point as the max clock is hit under 50c, something no air cooled card will do under load in a case, in an open air bench for a quick boot up test is different, but I have my doubts how many 1080ti's you get in to check if they run and the do a full overclocking process on.

[Monk]

引用自 John Doe：

The fact that you sent back 5 faulty cards should have taught you that they're lying with their BS, but instead, you call me ignorant.

They can't guarantee crap. If the card doesn't OC to 2025, then it's NOT guaranteed. I bet there have been more than one owner of a Kingpin who hasn't seen 2025. It's not a part of the branding, it's a part of MARKETING.

Marketing is branding ... They do guarantee it, go check the website https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6798-KR

Note I do not have a kingpin and wouldn't buy them, the tweaks simply aren't worth it to me.
I have ftw3 elites, only one of them failed to hit the stated clock speed, which is pretty boost, mine wouldn't even maintain 1600MHz and was hitting 90c within minutes, as I've sad, very likely due to cockups when rebuilding the card with the custom metal shrouds if the elite models.

If a card doesn't hit 2025 it's faulty and will be replaced, I don't understand how this is so complex, just because one guy from MSI on a forum says the mass produced cards are binned, but not cherry picked, does not mean the special small number custom card from another manufacturer isn't.

[John Doe]

引用自 Monk：

If a card doesn't hit 2025 it's faulty and will be replaced, I don't understand how this is so complex, just because one guy from MSI on a forum says the mass produced cards are binned, but not cherry picked, does not mean the special small number custom card from another manufacturer isn't.

Yes, it does. He's speaking for all cards from any company, not just MSI.

[Monk]

No he isn't and cannot, evga DO GUARANTEE the 2025 overclock on the kingpin, a £1000 GPU, they don't do it on any of their mainstream cards, only the special and limited stupidly expensive ones that they need to bin or cherry pick the chips to go into, take careful note they don't claim they will overclock massively faster, but it is far above the non boost speeds claimed on every other card, the only way to guarantee boost clocks is if you bin and overclock them to check they will do it.
If that were not the case they would be open to huge costs from being sued for miss representation amongst other things.

I am not sure if you are just trying to cause an argument at this point as you seem to be the only one confused and doesn't doesn't understand the situation regarding kingpin cards.

Edit.

You cannot speak for companies you don't work for technically, and given the level of secrecy in this area, he cannot know, he can however make an educated guess that is pretty darn accurate for mainstream cards.

[John Doe]

Yes, he is and yes he can. He works in this industry, you don't. I'm not going to take your word over his.

EVGA is ripping people off with a stupid "Kingpin" name on their GPUs. Sure, they're built well, but given eVGA's hit or miss QC, I wouldn't buy into one.

[tacoshy]

引用自 John Doe：

Yes, he is and yes he can. He works in this industry, you don't. I'm not going to take your word over his.

EVGA is ripping people off with a stupid "Kingpin" name on their GPUs. Sure, they're built well, but given eVGA's hit or miss QC, I wouldn't buy into one.

One easy question, have you recognized that a custom loop cooling for the GTX 1080 Ti does not fit on all modells. That there different Custom Loop coolers for different brands of grphics cards?

You know why that is? Because they are not all the same. They not use the same components or same layout. The only thing that they have in common is the GPU-Chip itself. Using different PCB, VRM, DRAM modules... They are not the same and MSI builds other GTX 1080 Ti then EVGA.

[Monk]

By your logic, I can make a blanket statement about you, despite not knowing any facts or have no direct experience with you, and it would be true, because we are similar, MSI and evga both make pc components, you and myself are both male so my experience must be the same as yours ... No, that's nonsense.

As I have agreed, the MSI guy makes sense for the mass produced cards, but kingpin is limited quantity so doesn't follow the standard rules.
I am also not a huge fan of evga and agree evga fanboys are as bad as any other, none of this changes the fact that the kingpin cards ARE binned and tested individually where other cards are not, I'm pretty sure there are videos on YouTube where they go onto alot more detail as to why the cards are not mainstream.

Edit.
Technically evga is kind of famed for its quality and service, my experience seems to be a distinct outlier linked solely to the limited custom run on the elite version of the cards, and given the sequential serial numbers I received and a delay while the cards were converted suggests very small batches were done, and that was where the mistakes happened.

[John Doe]

引用自 tacoshy：

One easy question, have you recognized that a custom loop cooling for the GTX 1080 Ti does not fit on all modells. That there different Custom Loop coolers for different brands of grphics cards?

You know why that is? Because they are not all the same. They not use the same components or same layout. The only thing that they have in common is the GPU-Chip itself. Using different PCB, VRM, DRAM modules... They are not the same and MSI builds other GTX 1080 Ti then EVGA.

I have said that different cards have different PCBs. Are you illiterate? I have a watercooled 1080 Ti myself, and I probably understand more about them than you do.

引用自 Monk：

By your logic, I can make a blanket statement about you, despite not knowing any facts or have no direct experience with you, and it would be true, because we are similar, MSI and evga both make pc components, you and myself are both male so my experience must be the same as yours ... No, that's nonsense.

As I have agreed, the MSI guy makes sense for the mass produced cards, but kingpin is limited quantity so doesn't follow the standard rules.
I am also not a huge fan of evga and agree evga fanboys are as bad as any other, none of this changes the fact that the kingpin cards ARE binned and tested individually where other cards are not, I'm pretty sure there are videos on YouTube where they go onto alot more detail as to why the cards are not mainstream.

There are HOF cards from Galax that cost just as much as Kingpin, and are able to OC just as more, if not higher. Why are you giving references to some stupid YouTube videos? I could make statements out of my arse about Galax being cherry picked like your Kingpin, but I won't because neither of the GPUs are. You could get a HOF or a Kingpin unable to do 2025 mhz, so what would you do? You would say it's NOT guaranteed and you got ripped off.