Niknokinater 25 DIC 2017 a las 10:19 a. m.
Freezing After Fresh Windows 10 Install
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So I just bought an SSD a couple of days ago and finished slapping Windows on it.

Now the system freezes. It simply locks up when doing the most minute of tasks like closing a Chrome tab or loading a Minecraft world. Games run fine, stress tests don't run into any problems (10 min sessions). It could take half an hour to lock up, or it could take a few days. It's unpredictable I find.

I'm kind of drawing a blank at this point. I would adore some advice or aid.

AMD FX-9590, 4.0GHz, 1.275000v
Corsair H55, 37°C Prime95 after 10 mins
ASUS 970 Pro-Gaming/Aura
PNY 8Gb DDR3, 1600MHz
GTX 950, 2Gb
120Gb Hyundai SSD
930Gb HDD, 5400 RPM
916Gb HDD, 5400 RPM
Corsair RM750x Gold, 750W
Windows 10, 64-bit, Build 1709 (now 1607 after complete reinstall)

-Temps are fine
-Stress tests run as expected
-Secondary drives are fine (tested system without them until freeze)
-SATA Ports 1-4 were automatically set to AHCI (includes SSD, Previous Primary HDD, and Secondary HDD; system cannot boot on IDE)
-Core C6 does not appear to have been the problem.
-Higher voltage doesn't make it any happier.
Última edición por Niknokinater; 2 FEB 2018 a las 5:33 p. m.
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Niknokinater 13 ENE 2018 a las 1:17 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Talby:
had the exact same problem with fresh win10 and nvidia cards, as soon as the gpu driver is installed (either from windows update or installing manually) got random freezing too - I just disable "fast startup" or whatever it's called and then everything is stable.

Open Control Panel and go to Hardware and Sound>Power Options. Click ‘Choose what the power buttons do’ from the left. Click ‘Change settings that are currently unavailable’. Then uncheck ‘Turn on Fast startup’ and click ‘Save changes’ and see if that solves the problem.

IDK why just Nvidia drivers have this problem lol, good luck
I've disabled that in the past- I also saw a similar bit in my BIOS, but that's disabled as well.


Publicado originalmente por LiMpY:
You're using an unsupported 220 Watt CPU on a 125watt motherboard. Not good.
The board merely doesn't support the level of heat that the CPU outputs. There's no way that the thing is going to push 220W at 1.275000v. I played with the clock a bit more- downed it back to 3.5GHz but the issues continued. It's not the CPU.

I got a couple write errors in a Java log not too long ago about an inability to write at the same time everything began to lockup before the mouse followed suit and the screen went black. For now, I'm field testing whether it helps to have my other two HDDs unplugged.

For informational purposes (plz halp me xD)
-SATA ports 1-4 were listed as AHCI (includes SSD, previous primary HDD, and other HDD)
-Windows was installed onto the SSD without any other drive plugged in, but I plugged the other drives back in (previous primary HDD still had its Windows; it's been wiped clean since) after shutting it off after completion.
-The new primary SSD before removing other drives yesterday was listed a C - Disk 1, as opposed to C - Disk 0
Última edición por Niknokinater; 13 ENE 2018 a las 1:22 p. m.
Bad 💀 Motha 13 ENE 2018 a las 6:26 p. m. 
Just disable all these manual changes and lock the CPU and RAM at the default settings; then everything will run just fine.
rotNdude 14 ENE 2018 a las 8:56 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Niknokinater:
Publicado originalmente por LiMpY:
You're using an unsupported 220 Watt CPU on a 125watt motherboard. Not good.
The board merely doesn't support the level of heat that the CPU outputs. There's no way that the thing is going to push 220W at 1.275000v. I played with the clock a bit more- downed it back to 3.5GHz but the issues continued. It's not the CPU.

It's about the amount of power required to satisfy the needs of the CPU. That means the VRMs need to be able to adequately supply it. It is even listed on the ASUS site that only 125W CPUs are supported and the CPU you're running isn't even on the supported list. I wouldn't dismiss this fact.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/970-PRO-GAMING-AURA/HelpDesk_CPU/

CPU
Build in AMD AM3+ FX™/Phenom™ II/Athlon™ II/Sempron™ 100 Series Processors
Supports AM3+ 32 nm CPU
Supports CPU up to 125 W
AMD Cool 'n' Quiet™ Technology
Niknokinater 14 ENE 2018 a las 10:39 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por rotNdude:
It's about the amount of power required to satisfy the needs of the CPU. That means the VRMs need to be able to adequately supply it. It is even listed on the ASUS site that only 125W CPUs are supported and the CPU you're running isn't even on the supported list. I wouldn't dismiss this fact.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/970-PRO-GAMING-AURA/HelpDesk_CPU/
The board is noted to wield a 7+1 phase layout and it's run fine at higher clocks with higher voltages and lowers clocks with this current voltage in past times. It's been stable for over a year (VRM heatsinks don't even get hot). I've read that the board support the power draw -should- be fine, but not the heat- heat being mostly treatable.

Noted though, and a solid fact you've provided despite the fact that this CPU is not pulling more than a supported FX-8350 a the moment... unless I'm stress testing (Prime95) where it wil jump up to 3.6v automatically but remain stable for the duration of the test (4GHz at 1.275v set in BIOS)

I'll lower the clock and look for changes in anything.
On another note, unplugging the other drives didn't appear to help. Freeze-up in Chrome when closing a tab. Nothing spectacular like last time, just an absolute lockup.

Stressed 10 minutes with 4GHz at 1.3v (Vcore idle at 1.308-1.320, and 1.396-1.404 under Prime95 load). No issues, max temp was 43c, but 4GHz at 1.275v for 10 mins yielded the same success. I now field test 4GHz at 1.3v.
Última edición por rotNdude; 14 ENE 2018 a las 12:02 p. m.
Niknokinater 18 ENE 2018 a las 9:43 p. m. 
SSD only, other drives disconnected- still froze.

CPU running 4.0GHz at 1.3v- still froze.

I plan on reinstalling Windows soon. Chkdsk didn't find anything fishy.

These freezes can happen 2 hours apart as well as two full days apart.

Edit: Desktop icons reset to the left again.
Última edición por Niknokinater; 18 ENE 2018 a las 9:45 p. m.
Bad 💀 Motha 18 ENE 2018 a las 9:45 p. m. 
Freezing how?
It will start installing Drivers and download all Windows Updates... did you let it do this?

Please record a video of the problem(s) and share.

Stop changing the CPU settings, leave the BIOS all on Defaults.
Except for SATA Mode, which you want on AHCI before installing Windows.
Lock in the RAM with XMP/AMP/DOCP
Última edición por Bad 💀 Motha; 18 ENE 2018 a las 9:48 p. m.
Niknokinater 18 ENE 2018 a las 10:03 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bad_Motha:
Freezing how?
It will start installing Drivers and download all Windows Updates... did you let it do this?

Please record a video of the problem(s) and share.

Stop changing the CPU settings, leave the BIOS all on Defaults.
Except for SATA Mode, which you want on AHCI before installing Windows.
Lock in the RAM with XMP/AMP/DOCP
The freezes appear to be extremely unpredictable ranging from closing a tab on Chrome to loading a Minecraft world. I can download something for 7 hours or I can freeze 15 minutes after a reboot. Stress tests have never froze.

After the previous Windows install, I allowed the Windows updates to apply and then I installed the drivers initially excluding the graphics driver mistaking the Windows supplied 388.71 for the real deal simply because NVidia detected it as so. I later installed the 388.71 from NVidia after a freeze assuming that to be the issue.

There is really nothing else to share in a video aside from relaying everything by voice, which I cannot do. The problem is that my PC freezes unpredictably and I have no clue as to what it could be. I plan to move onto reinstalling drivers and then Windows.

CPU related values have been modified once when I upped to voltage from 1.275v to 1.3v. That was not the problem I've learned and I will revert the value to the 1.275v which has been stable for a full year. I cannot set CPU values to default due to extensive thermal considerations.

The current SATA mode is AHCI for ports 1-4 (includes SSD, Previous Primary HDD, and Secondary HDD). System still randomly freezes when only the SSD is connected. The system cannot boot when in IDE (attempt to load Windows, but reboots after some seconds- can go indefinitely if allowed).

I will apply the BIOS's respective setting for the RAM that you've relayed and field test. It is currently running at 1666MHz- one setting higher than the default as it has been for many months now.
Bad 💀 Motha 18 ENE 2018 a las 10:23 p. m. 
How old is your Win10? If you did not just download that recently, then redownload the entire OS again.

Honestly, if you don't go back to "BIOS Factory Defaults" then this issue is going no where, as far as improving.

Soon as Windows is installed, disable Driver updates ability. DO NOT ALLOW WinOS to handle this, period.
Samadhi 18 ENE 2018 a las 11:00 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por rotNdude:
Publicado originalmente por Niknokinater:
The board merely doesn't support the level of heat that the CPU outputs. There's no way that the thing is going to push 220W at 1.275000v. I played with the clock a bit more- downed it back to 3.5GHz but the issues continued. It's not the CPU.

It's about the amount of power required to satisfy the needs of the CPU. That means the VRMs need to be able to adequately supply it. It is even listed on the ASUS site that only 125W CPUs are supported and the CPU you're running isn't even on the supported list. I wouldn't dismiss this fact.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/970-PRO-GAMING-AURA/HelpDesk_CPU/

CPU
Build in AMD AM3+ FX™/Phenom™ II/Athlon™ II/Sempron™ 100 Series Processors
Supports AM3+ 32 nm CPU
Supports CPU up to 125 W
AMD Cool 'n' Quiet™ Technology

+1 to this post.

It's pointless to attempt a fix when the problem is 99% likely right under your nose.
My bet is when you test the system with a supported CPU, your problem will be the CPU you have currently(or rather, your current configuration.)

Underclocking an unsupported chip to keep the VRMs cool so it works.
The above statement sounds absurd, doesn't it?

Publicado originalmente por Bad_Motha:
How old is your Win10? If you did not just download that recently, then redownload the entire OS again.

Why?
Última edición por rotNdude; 19 ENE 2018 a las 7:06 a. m.
[☥] - CJ - 19 ENE 2018 a las 7:12 a. m. 
FX-9590's are best suited to 990FX boards
it really wouldnt be of any surprise if the CPU is the problem

Are we certain that all Windows updates were completed?

Could also be that Windows doesnt like the settings you applied in the BIOS.
Última edición por [☥] - CJ -; 19 ENE 2018 a las 7:12 a. m.
Niknokinater 19 ENE 2018 a las 11:59 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bad_Motha:
How old is your Win10? If you did not just download that recently, then redownload the entire OS again.

Honestly, if you don't go back to "BIOS Factory Defaults" then this issue is going no where, as far as improving.

Soon as Windows is installed, disable Driver updates ability. DO NOT ALLOW WinOS to handle this, period.
I install it from a year-old disk.

Any settings that I've modified have been relatively unchanged and stable for a full year. I've never run the BIOS on default. Whilst the issue could be related, it could also be entirely irrelevant. Another bit to test in coming time.

Noted ^^ Thanks lad. I'll try to get on that asap.



Publicado originalmente por Samaister:
It's pointless to attempt a fix when the problem is 99% likely right under your nose.
My bet is when you test the system with a supported CPU, your problem will be the CPU you have currently(or rather, your current configuration.)

Underclocking an unsupported chip to keep the VRMs cool so it works.
The above statement sounds absurd, doesn't it?
I'm absolutely certain that the only difference between the FX-9000 series and the FX-8000 series are the numbers it pumps. The FX-9590 has a much higher TDP than what this board supports. This TDP cannot be achieved under these conditions (4.0GHz, 1.3v)... unless something is horribly wrong perhaps. Even so, I will not push this aside as a 'non-CPU' related issue. That is entirely possible even without the motherboard consideration.



Publicado originalmente por ☥ - CJ -:
FX-9590's are best suited to 990FX boards
it really wouldnt be of any surprise if the CPU is the problem

Are we certain that all Windows updates were completed?

Could also be that Windows doesnt like the settings you applied in the BIOS.
Ye, I feel you xD

I do recall a bit about the Windows Update.. window that popped up automatically not doing something at first. I may have needed to reset it. However, Windows says that I am up to date.

Then a recent update is the culprit. This system has been stable for a solid year.
Bad 💀 Motha 20 ENE 2018 a las 1:09 a. m. 
That disc is outdated, make a new dvd or usb flash drive.
Folks should just use usb flash drive so it can be wiped after a new OS build.
Otherwise once you install the OS fresh down the road from older media, you still have hours of updates to do.
Samadhi 20 ENE 2018 a las 1:14 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bad_Motha:
That disc is outdated, make a new dvd or usb flash drive....
Otherwise once you install the OS fresh down the road from older media, you still have hours of updates to do.

This has nothing to do with his current issues.
Niknokinater 20 ENE 2018 a las 1:38 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bad_Motha:
That disc is outdated, make a new dvd or usb flash drive.
Folks should just use usb flash drive so it can be wiped after a new OS build.
Otherwise once you install the OS fresh down the road from older media, you still have hours of updates to do.
Noted. That certainly makes sense. ^^
Niknokinater 25 ENE 2018 a las 5:22 p. m. 
It's been five days since I've disabled C6 state in the BIOS.. Haven't had a freeze since. Hopefully this nicer trend continues.

Either the big Windows update (1709) that kept wanting to install that I delayed for a couple months until I installed Windows onto the SSD introduced some issues there for me (Core C6 state is enabled by default so I left it as so), or Bad_Motha is correct and the CPU / mobo combo is effectively done for.

I lean toward Windows being the culprit myself as the events are too coordinated, considering that the SSD or any of the secondary drivers weren't the issue- but I really don't feel the need to roll back the OS aside from confirmation when in all honesty, I'd really rather be done with this whole thing.

A nice day for you all and thank you for your suggestions and... less sillier feedbacks :)

Fun fun xD Five days wasn't enough time I guess :(

The freezes live.
Última edición por rotNdude; 26 ENE 2018 a las 8:03 a. m.
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