Intel or AMD?

[Jiminimity]

Thinking towards the future again, I know nothing of computer building, and would like to know which would be stronger, an Intel processor, or an AMD processor? Or am I missing the big picture here?

[r.linder]

Intel is better in raw power for gaming, but there's no point in getting less than a 9700K.
AMD has a much better value because of the Ryzen 5 3600, which matches the i7-8700(K), and better value for workstations and arguably for streaming if you get a Ryzen 9 chip.

Both run the best with at least 3000 MHz RAM in dual channel.

[Jiminimity]

Right, another question I'd want to ask (I'm doing some pathetic window shopping currently for the 'best computer on the market'. What is the difference between the primary drive and the data drive?

[𝔇ave]

Jeph eredeti hozzászólása:

Right, another question I'd want to ask (I'm doing some pathetic window shopping currently for the 'best computer on the market'. What is the difference between the primary drive and the data drive?

Ideally you want both the os drive and the storage drive to be fast these days.. but if you are on a budget and need mass storage then put the os and a few games that will benefit from faster drive speed on an SSD and the rest goes on a mechanical drive

Most PC sellers will have the os on a small SSD as standard while the mass storage device is a traditional spinning platter drive

[Wichtelman]

"best" depends on your needs but if we talk about gaming the i9-9900k is the best cpu currently... as escorve said best value cpu is the ryzen 5 3600... primary is your operating system drive likely a ssd or nvme and data drive hdd or sdd because of cost to space ratio...

[FeilDOW]

It depends on your budget and monitor. If you're going all out with a 2080 ti and a 144hz monitor intel will squeeze out some extra fps, but if you're looking at something like a 2060 or a 2070 super there would be little difference from say a 3600 to a 9700 other than intel is more expensive.

What's your budget and res and refresh rate you plan on playing at.

[Jiminimity]

FeilDOW eredeti hozzászólása:

It depends on your budget and monitor. If you're going all out with a 2080 ti and a 144hz monitor intel will squeeze out some extra fps, but if you're looking at something like a 2060 or a 2070 super there would be little difference from say a 3600 to a 9700 other than intel is more expensive.

What's your budget and res and refresh rate you plan on playing at.

Just thinking for the future. Not going to say why because I'm not willing to plug anything, but I may come into a large sum eventually in my lifetime, but we can pretty much take it as sky's the limit. Just doing window shopping. I apologize if I seem 'off', it's 4:13 AM right now, and I'm an a tired high as hell.

[r.linder]

Jeph eredeti hozzászólása:

FeilDOW eredeti hozzászólása:

It depends on your budget and monitor. If you're going all out with a 2080 ti and a 144hz monitor intel will squeeze out some extra fps, but if you're looking at something like a 2060 or a 2070 super there would be little difference from say a 3600 to a 9700 other than intel is more expensive.

What's your budget and res and refresh rate you plan on playing at.

Just thinking for the future. Not going to say why because I'm not willing to plug anything, but I may come into a large sum eventually in my lifetime, but we can pretty much take it as sky's the limit. Just doing window shopping. I apologize if I seem 'off', it's 4:13 AM right now, and I'm an a tired high as hell.

3900X (and soon to be 3950X) will end up being better in the long run because 12 cores (16 cores with the 3950X) but will still be outclassed by future CPUs in processing power in more than just games

[Julien, cut it out.]

What are you planning to do with your pc? Streaming, Video editing, Gaming only?

You don't need to buy a 4k $ PC to have a future proof pc.

[Jiminimity]

Bananarama eredeti hozzászólása:

What are you planning to do with your pc? Streaming, Video editing, Gaming only?

Probably a bit of video editing and generally gaming. I'd LIKE the ability to stream, but I won't ever get to it, honestly.

[Snow]

Jeph eredeti hozzászólása:

Bananarama eredeti hozzászólása:

What are you planning to do with your pc? Streaming, Video editing, Gaming only?

Probably a bit of video editing and generally gaming. I'd LIKE the ability to stream, but I won't ever get to it, honestly.

Since AMD first introduced hardware accelerated video encoding in their graphics cards, all the graphics cards except for the weakest can do that just fine, i.e. my GTX 1050 can do 4k 60fps stream effortless. Unless your streaming service limits the bitrate to really low numbers and you don't have RTX card with updated NVENC, it's hard to find a reason to not use graphics card for streaming, so no worries there, you can stream on pretty much anything these days.

[Julien, cut it out.]

Don't waste your money on the high-end stuff. It's imo smarter to invest today in a ~1.5k $ PC, safe the ~1k $ you'd have invested in the high-end stuff and safe for the next build.
But that's just my opinion, and this is for 1080p gaming.

You can also have a look at the AMD and Intel CPU Roadmap. Zen 3 will be released in 2021 by AMD and Intel's new architecture will be released in 2022. That's 3 years from now. The current Intel architecture was released more then 10 years ago!
Most of the games (game engines) released on pc are anyway based on the console version. The next console iteration (PS5, Project Scarlett) will be based on the current AMD Zen 2 and Navi architecture with hardware implemented ray-tracing tech.

If you plan to play in 1440p or higher resolution with a non 2080 Ti grafics card, you will anyway be GPU-limited. And this will most likely be true for the next years.

With a pc build I'd always start with the monitor because it's our interface to the beatiful world of games. How big should the monitor be? The bigger in size, the higher resolution you want. Is 1080p enough? Do I want a 4k monitor or what about ultrawide (21:9 aspect ratio)? How many herz should the monitor have?
The more pixels your monitor has, the better grafics card you're going to need.

I think and AMD Ryzen 5 3600/3600X (6C/12T) or Ryzen 7 3700X (8C/16T) or an Intel i7-9700F/9700KF(8C/8T) is sufficient.

[hawkeye]

You are missing the big picture. The cpu is relatively unimportant in today's gaming pc as even the mid-range cpus have very good performance. Graphics cards are more important as they are the most expensive component and tend to date fairly quickly. Replacing a slow one with a faster one can be costly, so picking the right one at the start is fairly important. Current gpus are comparatively slower than current cpus but comparatively more expensive.

The way to spec a pc is (1) decide type of game you want to play, (2) decide on the monitor resolution and frequency. These will determine the graphic card you need. And then decide how much you want to spend on a cpu. And do this within any budget constraints you might have.

There are technical differences between cpus. But there are some good explanations about what they are. Gamers Nexus and Digital Foundry have video reviews on youtube which go into the strengths and weaknesses of the popular amd and intel cpus.

There is little point working it all out until you are ready to buy as the technology is always changing.

[SHREDDER]

Never buy intel agian! i have got 3 intel and 3 amd cpus(486 pentium 4 athlon xp athlon x2 core i5 2500k and now ryzen 7 1700) but that is form now on AMD only. Intel has been eating our money while selling overpriced weak cpus for too long! Buy Ryzeb 3700x or better.

Graphics card get a RTX 2070 super. It will run evrything max settings 1440p and 4k(without Ray tracing). Monitor get a 27'' 4k HDR they start at just 500 euros now.

[vadim]

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

AMD has a much better value because of the Ryzen 5 3600, which matches the i7-8700(K), and better value for workstations

All Ryzens are consumer-grade chips. They are too slow for anyone in their right mind to use them in a workstation.

[Komrade]

SHREDDER eredeti hozzászólása:

Never buy intel agian! i have got 3 intel and 3 amd cpus(486 pentium 4 athlon xp athlon x2 core i5 2500k and now ryzen 7 1700) but that is form now on AMD only. Intel has been eating our money while selling overpriced weak cpus for too long! Buy Ryzeb 3700x or better.

Graphics card get a RTX 2070 super. It will run evrything max settings 1440p and 4k(without Ray tracing). Monitor get a 27'' 4k HDR they start at just 500 euros now.

2070S doesn't run 4k maxed. No point in getting a 4K monitor, just buy a tv at that point.