1tb 7200 RPM 32MB vs 2Tb 5400 RPM 128Mb, which would be faster

[Chris Solomon]

I am running out of space on my primary HDD (500Gb 7200RPM). I am looking at upgrade options. The first drive I was going to get (ST1000LX001 1TB SSHD 32Gb NAND) is currently unavailible due to the NAND shortage (making the larger size NAND really expensive). so i was considering using either my a Hitachi 7K1000 (1Tb 7200rpm 32Mb cache) drive i already have, or getting a larger Seagte 2Tb (ST2000LM007 2Tb 128Mb cache). My system doesn't have any issues with heat, SO it can handle the heat of a 7200 RPM drive just fine (it came with a 7200 rpm drive). but I am wondering which of the two drives, would be faster from booting windows and applications. My steam library (all 1.5 Tb's of it) is kept on the secondary drive which i already upgraded from 1Tb to 2Tb (was originally 500Gb).

I can't afford a SSD of a size that would be an upgrade in capacity to what i'm using now, So if your going to say "get a SSD" don't bother to post. I can't afford a $300-$400 drive. I am looking primarily for upgrading capacity. If the drive just happens to increase performance a little, that is a bonus.

I just need to know which drive would work for that purpose better.

Drives:

Hitachi 7k1000
Cap: 1Tb
Cache: 32Mb
RPM: 7200

Seagate ST2000LM007
Cap: 2tb
Cache: 128
RPM: 5400

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

OP if they are both HDD and one not SSHD, then go for the 7200 RPM.

Автор сообщения: Rove

You should look for drive transfer rates or reviews online for the specific drives, the information is there, probably also from the manufacturers. I have a feeling the 2TB might actually be faster in spite of slower spindle speed but only way to knwo for sure is to look at some benchamrks or manufacturer drive transfer stats.

Unless it's a SSHD gen 3, then yea, but if it's HDD, then it's a big fat no.

[Rove]

Автор сообщения: Bad-Motha

Also have to consider that HDD speeds never actually hold up over time if you are not defragging the drive, which many folks simply do not take the time to do, or understand that there is even a need to do that.

Windows 10 defrags my stuff automatically all the time.

Автор сообщения: Dr.Shadowds

OP if they are both HDD and one not SSHD, then go for the 7200 RPM.

Автор сообщения: Rove

You should look for drive transfer rates or reviews online for the specific drives, the information is there, probably also from the manufacturers. I have a feeling the 2TB might actually be faster in spite of slower spindle speed but only way to knwo for sure is to look at some benchamrks or manufacturer drive transfer stats.

Unless it's a SSHD gen 3, then yea, but if it's HDD, then it's a big fat no.

I'm not too sure about that. There are 7200 RPM drives with 125 MB/s or 7200 RPS drives with 250 MB/s granted that's the difference between some lower end older 1TB and the higher end newer 10TB drives but still. It's technically possible due to controllers, multiple reader heads and higher or lower platter density to have faster or slower speeds at the same RPM.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Автор сообщения: Rove

Автор сообщения: Bad-Motha

Also have to consider that HDD speeds never actually hold up over time if you are not defragging the drive, which many folks simply do not take the time to do, or understand that there is even a need to do that.

Windows 10 defrags my stuff automatically all the time.

Автор сообщения: Dr.Shadowds

OP if they are both HDD and one not SSHD, then go for the 7200 RPM.



Unless it's a SSHD gen 3, then yea, but if it's HDD, then it's a big fat no.

I'm not too sure about that. There are 7200 RPM drives with 125 MB/s or 7200 RPS drives with 250 MB/s granted that's the difference between some lower end older 1TB and the higher end newer 10TB drives but still. It's technically possible due to controllers, multiple reader heads and higher or lower platter density to have faster or slower speeds at the same RPM.

Have you actually used a good defrag app and analyzed your drives?

Why would people assume the OS is doing this job well?
Plus it doesn't do that while the user is using the system.
And it can't do it unless the system is on for quite some time.

As far as those driver performance; you won't get that kind of performance from a 2.5 inch HDD; that's more along the lines of 3.5 inch 7200rpm HDD speeds.

[Rove]

Where did we start talking about 2.5 inch versus 3.5 inch? I thought both HDDs were 3.5.

[oobymach]

There's not much difference between a 5400rpm and a 7200rpm drive, maybe a millisecond or 2 difference in access time, load times are virtually identical.

There is a difference in speed between hdd and ssd's though, an ssd is much faster than an hdd. If you play games I recommend a 240gb ssd (mine each cost less than $100) to be used as a boot drive but also to run a few games from.

You can always add more drives to a tower pc, but lifetime of the drive can be as low as a year if you use your pc every day for example the cache area your browser uses gets written and re-written alot so you can wear out that area of the drive in as little as a year, 3000 re-writes is the lower limit for ssd drives, more expensive drives have longer life expectancy of up to 10,000 re-writes I believe.

The trade off is no moving parts and much faster data access and writing to the drive than a hdd, and if you use the ssd as a secondary drive just for games it will last a long time.

If you insist on going the hdd route western digital have high failure rates with their larger capacity hdd's but the 1 and 2tb black hdd are very good build quality (they are heavier than regular hdds) and have reasonable access times. The 4tb and larger drives may fail in as little as a couple days, check the reviews on newegg for the drive you want.

[Chris Solomon]

Автор сообщения: upcoast

For a laptop just stick a $120ish 500GBish ssd in and call it a day if you need more space than that add a 2-4TB external usb drive.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GRmb8K

There 525GB $125 and problem solved ^.

like i already posted, that is not an option. if i wanted or could afford an ssd then i might consider one. i already have 500gb and its full.I ned more. the 7200 RPM drive i have is plenty fast. I just need more space. getting an external for more space is also not an option. my three USB ports are in use. (mouse, ext. souncard, XBOX360 controller)

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You need to just free up space then. Especially on OS Drive; try to never go below 10-15% free space on a WinOS Drive.

[upcoast]

Автор сообщения: Chris Solomon

Автор сообщения: upcoast

For a laptop just stick a $120ish 500GBish ssd in and call it a day if you need more space than that add a 2-4TB external usb drive.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GRmb8K

There 525GB $125 and problem solved ^.

like i already posted, that is not an option. if i wanted or could afford an ssd then i might consider one. i already have 500gb and its full.I ned more. the 7200 RPM drive i have is plenty fast. I just need more space. getting an external for more space is also not an option. my three USB ports are in use. (mouse, ext. souncard, XBOX360 controller)

I think what you're not getting is that a laptop 2.5" mechanical hdd is pure crap compared to its' desktop counterpart and to expect anything better than crap perfomance out of a laptop hdd be it 5400rpm or 7200rpm your dreaming they're not created equally to the 3.5" desktop drives.

I guess your only option then is take the 500GB hdd out and slap whatever mondo mega 4TB 2.5" lappy drive in because nothing really seems to be a logical solution for you, you want suggestions but nothing is good enough and you've already got your mind made up.

Here's a wild thought unplug something out of your usb ports or get a hub, seriously.

[Chris Solomon]

Автор сообщения: Bad-Motha

Yea I wouldn't "install" anything to a 5400/5900rpm drive; those are for general storage.
Much to slow to run certain games off of.

Given the laptop you have, it should also have more room for more drives.
Is that not true for the laptop model you have?

the laptop i have originally had 1 500gb HDD with a 2nd HDD bay availible (a 500gb 7200 rpm was an option but left out to reduce inial cost). I later added 500 gb 7200 rpm. later i upgraded that to a hitachi 7k1000. when i could no longer fit my steam games library on that, I upgraded to a Seagate ST2000LM007.

[Chris Solomon]

Автор сообщения: oobymach

There's not much difference between a 5400rpm and a 7200rpm drive, maybe a millisecond or 2 difference in access time, load times are virtually identical.

There is a difference in speed between hdd and ssd's though, an ssd is much faster than an hdd. If you play games I recommend a 240gb ssd (mine each cost less than $100) to be used as a boot drive but also to run a few games from.

You can always add more drives to a tower pc, but lifetime of the drive can be as low as a year if you use your pc every day for example the cache area your browser uses gets written and re-written alot so you can wear out that area of the drive in as little as a year, 3000 re-writes is the lower limit for ssd drives, more expensive drives have longer life expectancy of up to 10,000 re-writes I believe.

The trade off is no moving parts and much faster data access and writing to the drive than a hdd, and if you use the ssd as a secondary drive just for games it will last a long time.

If you insist on going the hdd route western digital have high failure rates with their larger capacity hdd's but the 1 and 2tb black hdd are very good build quality (they are heavier than regular hdds) and have reasonable access times. The 4tb and larger drives may fail in as little as a couple days, check the reviews on newegg for the drive you want.

you may have indeed paid that much for a SSD, but rightnow there is a shortage in the NAND memory used in products like SSD's smartphones, etc. It is causing prices to go up. But like i previously said. I need a capacity upgrade, not a upgrade in speed. also, my prefered brands are either Hitachi or Seagate

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well I don't know what you want to hear; uninstall stuff...

I mean you're asking about drives, then say you can afford this/that...
So if money is the issue at the moment, make the most of what you already have.
And that is generally easy to do, cause you don't need all those games installed all at the same time.

The prices of SSDs going up; that news is BS; to drive people to buy. It's as simple as that.
If the prices do go up; they haven't gone up yet.

[Chris Solomon]

Автор сообщения: Bad-Motha

You need to just free up space then. Especially on OS Drive; try to never go below 10-15% free space on a WinOS Drive.

I have gone through my drive already and done some 'spring cleaning'. and I did get back some space, but even after turning on NTFS compression. i only have about 46Gb of free space

[Chris Solomon]

Автор сообщения: Bad-Motha

Well I don't know what you want to hear; uninstall stuff...

I mean you're asking about drives, then say you can afford this/that...
So if money is the issue at the moment, make the most of what you already have.
And that is generally easy to do, cause you don't need all those games installed all at the same time.

i believe i did. I specified two drives in my first post. I also asked whether the much larger cache on the 5400 rpm drive would make up for the slower rpm (1tb 7200 RPM 32Mb cache VS 2Tb 5400 RPM 128Mb cache)

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You don't want any compression enabled; that greatly reduces drive speed quite a bit.
So all that you are asking about is thrown out the window if you enable compression.

Best bet, backup what files that are truly important, then you will see quick what is important and what is not. Then wipe em and start over. Most times the OS is very cluttered more and more over time, to a point where you might not understand where those "junk" files are.

Run Microsoft Disk Cleanup and Piriform CCleaner and dump all the junk.
Wipe out the System Restores too. Just make a new restore point manually after wiping these out.

[Chris Solomon]

NTFS compression (which is not the same as compression like MSDOS doublespace) does not cause a noticable decrease in speed. the files are decompressed on the fly by the filesystem. the only increase comes from the CPU, and mine has plenty of "horespower" to spare.

http://www.howtogeek.com/133264/how-to-use-ntfs-compression-and-when-you-might-want-to/

http://www.howtogeek.com/266472/should-you-use-windows-full-drive-compression-to-save-space/