Ulfrinn 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 6:12
upgrade PC on a budget?
i have an older PC that right now has onboard video, 2gb RAM, and a quad core phenom processor (i believe 2.0ghz).. ive been sort of out of the loop when i build my current PC about 5 years ago (HD7950 GPU, FX8300 CPU, and 8 gigs of RAM) so im not really up to date with what parts are available and what the best value is anymore

this is another individuals PC he wants to upgrade.. the goals are to play fallout 4 on decent settings on a 24" 1080P LCD.. is there a $100-$125 GPU that could handle this? and im already planning on upgrading to at least 8 gigs of ram.. im also not sure if a quad core phenom would be suitable for the task or not

suggestions?
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Arya 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 6:28 
I'm sorry to say this, but his PC isn't salvagable or upgradable.

First of all, the Phenom isn't nearly powerful or modern enough to handle Fallout 4. It needs to be replaced with a new CPU, and because of it's age that requires a new motherboard. The new Motherboard requires new DDR4 RAM - at least 8GB of it. The PC will also need a dedicated GPU fitted, and that will require an uprated Power Supply.

Aftter all that, you're looking at maybe $600 total spend - it's effectively a complete new system.
最後修改者:Arya; 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 6:38
76561198343548661 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 7:51 
MSI GTX 1050 2GB -$109
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which phenom exactly ?
最後修改者:smallcat; 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 7:56
summy 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:00 
Yea, this system is horrible. Still better than mine though RIP :(.
The 1050Ti is a good option, although it's gonna cruise past your requested price point. Maybe a 460 will suit you better. You need more RAM, no arguement can be made here. And any modern i5 will do great for gaming. The sweet spot being the i5-6500.
upcoast 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:33 
TBH, this question is a bit convoluted.

Do you want to update your aging more than likely x4 P1 that only has onboard vid?

Or is it that your friend wants to update his FX8300/HD7950 pc?

$100-$125 gpu gets you a GTX1050ti which is about the same as GTX960 in DX11 and not much better to equal a 7950GHZ edition/boost or r9 280/285.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page5.html

http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page2.html

If this is about the FX8300/7950 it'll be quite capable of playing Fallout 4 med/high 1080p.

Ps, fallout 4 is a nvidia/intel favoring game.

Pss, post a cpu-z validation link if it's your pc http://cpuid.com/
最後修改者:upcoast; 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:38
upcoast 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:43 
引用自 Killua #99
can you try borrowing your friends hd 7950 and putting it on the phenom computer. See what fps you get then you can make a informed decision

Until he knows what his cpu is there's not much point with a 2ghz possible P1. If he had a x4 965 PII sure slap a gtx1050ti on it but a 2ghz x4 PI there'd be no point so with any luck he'll post a validation link and we'll all stop guessing.
最後修改者:upcoast; 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:45
Ulfrinn 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:54 
my PC is the FX8300/HD7950, his is a 2.0ghz phenom X4 with onboard video and a PCI-E 2x slot.. ill look into the GPU mentioned

my understanding whe i built mine with the FX8300 that the I5 was a pretty good value as well had i decided to go intel.. 8 cores like my PC is fine and dandy but no one ever writes software to utilize that many cores so its kind of moot... it was also my understanding that although intel CPUs were a bit more expensive, their motherboards were a tad cheaper since intel tends to support a specific socket type for a longer duration driving prices down through greater availability of motherboards.. so it may be an option if the phenom isnt really worth salvaging
最後修改者:Ulfrinn; 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:56
Ulfrinn 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 9:10 
i got more specifics of his computer.. a GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H motherboard and its actually an athlon 2 X4 620 processor, i also have a spare ASRock K10N78M motherboard
upcoast 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 9:15 
引用自 BurntByHellfire
my PC is the FX8300/HD7950, his is a 2.0ghz phenom X4 with onboard video and a PCI-E 2x slot.. ill look into the GPU mentioned

my understanding whe i built mine with the FX8300 that the I5 was a pretty good value as well had i decided to go intel.. 8 cores like my PC is fine and dandy but no one ever writes software to utilize that many cores so its kind of moot... it was also my understanding that although intel CPUs were a bit more expensive, their motherboards were a tad cheaper since intel tends to support a specific socket type for a longer duration driving prices down through greater availability of motherboards.. so it may be an option if the phenom isnt really worth salvaging

I wouldn't bother changing your HD7950 unless you went to the gtx1060, a gtx1050ti would be a sidegrade not much difference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHEjrvW4hBI

The 2 major games that don't like amd too much are gta 5 and fallout 4 but that doesn't mean they're unplayable.

I can play gta 5 perfectly fine on my amd FX8350 and so should you be able to play Fallout 4 fine with your FX8300.

最後修改者:upcoast; 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 9:18
upcoast 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 9:31 
引用自 BurntByHellfire
i got more specifics of his computer.. a GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H motherboard and its actually an athlon 2 X4 620 processor, i also have a spare ASRock K10N78M motherboard

I know about that board I gave one to my daughter but she has a x4 940BE in it.

My wife has the x4 640 with the propus core they don't have L3 cache which makes them bad for gaming, Your friend would need a PII x4 955BE or above / x6 1090T or 1100T, 8GB ram total and a gpu. Your friend would be better off starting over fresh with an i3 6100/rx 480/ gtx1060 new build or swap out the cpu mobo ram for an i3 6100 / lga1151 mobo/ ddr4 2x4GB ram/ new gpu and reuse the old case, hdd and psu if it's any good and whatever else in in there worth salvaging .
Ulfrinn 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 9:53 
could go with the graphics card first, then RAM, then new motherboard thats AM3+ and backwards compatible with the currnet processor and then swap that out as the final component to upgrade
Bad 💀 Motha 2016 年 12 月 2 日 下午 10:44 
Better to start over fresh. Upgrading the current system; it would be pointless upgrades; most AM3+ Boards (ones that support FX CPUs properly) are not going to have DDR2 support.

So pointless to upgrade GPU; as you'd need more RAM basically to make gaming on a newer GPU shine at all. Upgrading the RAM would be rather pointless if going to switch Boards.

See where this is going?
Ulfrinn 2016 年 12 月 3 日 上午 6:57 
just to clarify, the FX8350/HD7950 PC is mine, this budget build will be for my brother, he's the one with the crappy PC right now and it looks like we're going to have to do a full build

so let me ask this question.. at roughly the same cost as an FX6300 CPU, what is the purpose of the AMD APUs with build in graphics? and i believe the core I3 features the same thing.. is there any reason go with either of these for a budget gaming PC?

another question, do games even use 6-8 cores or are they all still pretty much optimized for 4 making an FX8350 really no more useful for gaming than an FX4350?
Ulfrinn 2016 年 12 月 3 日 上午 8:13 
ok, so ive been looking into the games he wants to play more, and he's just wanting to match the current generation consoles, i looked up what the equivalent PC settings would be for fallout 4 on xbox one and i came with low-mid settings.. so with this in consideration, and most the games he wants to play are like final fantasy 15, divinity original sin.. you know, simple RPGs with the occasional more graphics heavy RPGs like fallout and skyrim his requirements are not all that heavy

so i was looking up what various products within the budget manage to achieve through gameplay videos on youtube and ive come up with two options that'll play fallout 4 at least matching xbox one equivalent settings

the options ive come up with is an APU based build using the AMD A10 7850k APU, new motherboard, and 8 gigs of RAM.. the other is an FX4350 CPU with an R7 240 GPU

another option, apparently the games he wants to play WILL run on an athlon II X4, i could take the other 2gb DDR2 stick i have in another old computer, add it to his, add the R7 240 GPU and he'd be able to play fallout 4, at the very least on low-mid settings, about the same as youd get from an xbox one

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so what i think i will do, is add that other stick of RAM, the R7 240 to the AM3 board with the athlon II X4 CPU and see how it goes at low-mid settings and 720p resolution, if this isnt adequate then an FX4300, 8 gigs of DDR3, and a new motherboard will be added and the CPU and GPU can always be upgraded later.. thoughts?
最後修改者:Ulfrinn; 2016 年 12 月 3 日 上午 8:19
76561198343548661 2016 年 12 月 3 日 上午 8:18 
Dont worry , Athlon 2 X4 620 is not so weak , get GTX 1050 2GB and thats all
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最後修改者:smallcat; 2016 年 12 月 3 日 上午 8:19
Ulfrinn 2016 年 12 月 3 日 上午 8:21 
引用自 littlecat20160
Dont worry , Athlon 2 X4 620 is not so weak , get GTX 1050 2GB and thats all

looking at the gameplay footage on an R7 240 for $50 the game was playable at greater than xbox one equivalent settings, this GPU would be able to play the games he wants at better settings than he's going to get on a console
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