Buy a new PC or keep trying to fix current one?

[Ashlek]

Hey,
so for the past 3 months I've been having BSoD / freezes when putting my PC under load (playing games). Sometimes it would BSoD after a few hours, other times it would freeze immediately after launching a game.
I've spent a lot of time trying to fix it and find the cause, also spent way too much money (200-250€) on repair shops that didn't actually fix my issue.
I've tried cleaning the dust out, reinstalling windows, adding case fans, messing with services, updating drivers, etc etc, to no avail.
My question now is should I keep on trying to fix it, find the cause or just buy a new one?

Current build:
AMD 6600k @3.9GHz, QuadCore
8GB DDR3 RAM
240GB SSD
560W PSU
GTX 960 4GB
Gigabyte mobo (don't know the model) (Edit: it's a gigabyte ga-f2a78m-hd2)

New build (something of sorts:)
Ryzen 3
8GB DDR4
240GB SSD
600W PSU
GTX 1060 3GB or 970 4GB
Some gaming mobo

Games that I mostly play:
Rocket League, Trails Fusion, occasionaly CS:GO, thinking of buying COD WW II, possibly PUBG.

Feel free to leave suggestions, ideas. I really appreciate all the help.

[Talby]

Messaggio originale di Omega:

Try gaming on the APU like Maleko sugested. And see if it crashes or not.

Exactly what I was thinking - pull the gpu, give it a good burn-in with memtest to start then fresh install win10 and see how things go from there

[Ashlek]

Messaggio originale di Talby:

Messaggio originale di Omega:

Try gaming on the APU like Maleko sugested. And see if it crashes or not.

Exactly what I was thinking - pull the gpu, give it a good burn-in with memtest to start then fresh install win10 and see how things go from there

I've tryed reinstalling win10 already, I even went as far as completely removing all files and starting fresh. The only things I have installed right now is Steam, Rocket League, MSI Afterburner and Discord.

[Ashlek]

Messaggio originale di Maleko:

Messaggio originale di YaBoyShadow:

Windows 10 64 bit, upgraded from Original copy of W8.1

Not exactly what I would call "literally no changes". Not sure when you upgraded but Windows 10 has forced updates so I can almost guarantee you've had software changes.

Messaggio originale di YaBoyShadow:

The BSoDs sometimes say System service exception, apc index mismatch, some kernel crap, other times there isn't even a BSoD to begin with, the PC just freezes.

Potential causes of APC_INDEX_MISMATCH:

    Incorrectly configured, old, or corrupted device drivers. (very common)
    Corruption in Windows registry from a recent software change (install or uninstall).
    Virus or malware infection that has corrupted Windows system files or Windows Operating System-related program files.
    Driver conflict after installing new hardware.
    Damaged or removed system files after you’ve installed software or drivers related to Windows Operating System.
    Error 0x1 blue screen caused by a damaged hard disk.
    APC_INDEX_MISMATCH STOP error due to memory (RAM) corruption.

APC_INDEX_MISMATCH blue screen errors can be caused by a variety of hardware, firmware, driver, or software issues.

SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION can be caused by driver incompatibility, or by software that isn’t compatible with Windows 10.

Not sure about "some kernel crap", again, need to be more specific than that.

I know I know. I've read all about these BSoD messages. I don't remember what they all said though. Sorry for not being specific with "some kernel crap". I can just remember it containing "kernel". Sorry again for not being specific.

A little bit more info/backstory:
Was playing RL normally,
turned off PC (no updates),
turned on 5 days later,
BSoD immediately after launching RL saying system service exception,
kept trying RL, still saying system service exception,
updated graphics drivers,
didn't crash immediately,
said apc index mismatch this time,
reinstalled drivers (with DDU),
didn't fix crap,
took pc to repair,
didn't fix crap

[Ashlek]

Messaggio originale di Maleko:

Do you have issues with other games or just Rocket League? Does Rocket League have errors if you the APU by itself?

I have experienced freezes on CSGO aswel, haven't tryed playing with APU yet.
Although before I got my GPU I was playing RL on APU all on lowest(resolution, quality) with 40FPS

One thing I should point out is, that replaced my HDD with an SSD and added 1 case fan, which increased the time before BSoD to about 2h. Which is very strange because this points to overheating and yet BSoDs have nothing to do with overheating, as Omega pointed out on one of my older posts.

[Ashlek]

Messaggio originale di Maleko:

Messaggio originale di YaBoyShadow:

I have experienced freezes on CSGO aswel, haven't tryed playing with APU yet.
Although before I got my GPU I was playing RL on APU all on lowest(resolution, quality) with 40FPS

If you have no issues using the APU then I think my original suspicion is correct.

That's a valid point, but I was using this build no problem for nearly a year. And I truly doubt my PC suddenly went "oh, this PCIe GPU not compatible with FM2 CPUs? Oh well".

[Omega]

Messaggio originale di YaBoyShadow:

Messaggio originale di Maleko:

If you have no issues using the APU then I think my original suspicion is correct.

That's a valid point, but I was using this build no problem for nearly a year. And I truly doubt my PC suddenly went "oh, this PCIe GPU not compatible with FM2 CPUs? Oh well".

My thoughts exactly. But it's worth a try.

[Ashlek]

Messaggio originale di Omega:

Messaggio originale di YaBoyShadow:

That's a valid point, but I was using this build no problem for nearly a year. And I truly doubt my PC suddenly went "oh, this PCIe GPU not compatible with FM2 CPUs? Oh well".

My thoughts exactly. But it's worth a try.

If the APU runs no problem, I would assume the GPU is faulty, because its seriously unlikely that my PC just suddenly realised that PCIe lanes don't work with FM2 Processors on this particular mobo.

[Omega]

Messaggio originale di YaBoyShadow:

Messaggio originale di Omega:

My thoughts exactly. But it's worth a try.

If the APU runs no problem, I would assume the GPU is faulty, because its seriously unlikely that my PC just suddenly realised that PCIe lanes don't work with FM2 Processors.

It is possible the GPU is faulty but the mobo could also be the issue. It might run unstable when under stress. But no way to know for sure unless you test your GPU in another system.

[Ashlek]

Messaggio originale di Maleko:

I get the impression you're assuming that if it was incompatible then it would simply refuse to boot or something. That's not necessarily the case. After all, PCIe gen 3 is backwards compatible with older PCIe generations, but it would have reduced throughput. However, if the CPU/motherboard had compatibility issues there, it may not manifest itself as apparently as you seem to expect. It may have been aggrivated by driver updates or Windows updates, or by worse in certain games. That's all within the realm of possibility and I don't have a better explanation at this point so I'm sticking with that.

I guess that could be the reason, but!
When the first Blue screen occured I was still on Windows 8.1 and pretty much never updated my drivers. I took my PC to repair and it went fine for about 2 weeks. In that time I upgraded to win10 using media creation tool. So the BSoDs started before a win10 or driver update could have something tk do with it.

Another reason I think this has something to do with faulty hardware is that a freind of mine has a very simillar build to mine.
Same mobo, amd a8 5600k apu,
8gb ram, 600w psu, gtx 960 and 2tb hdd. His processor is also a FM2 model and by this logic he should be having the samo issue.

[Ashlek]

Damn, we went off topic. I seriously appreciate all the help and suggestion. I'll probably just end up buying a new PC since my current cpu is kind of a bottleneck.

[Ashlek]

Messaggio originale di Maleko:

Unless you had BSODs before you installed that GPU onto that motherboard with that APU, then I don't really see the relevance of when they first occured. And Windows 10 forces updates by default, in case you're not aware.

I am well aware of the forced updates yes.
You mentioned that an update (win, driver) could cause the FM2-PCIe incompatibility to finally take effect. I'm just pointing out that before the first BSoD, there weren't any forced updates or driver updates that could cause that to happen.

[Ashlek]

Messaggio originale di Maleko:

Messaggio originale di YaBoyShadow:

You mentioned that an update (win, driver) could cause the FM2-PCIe incompatibility to finally take effect.

Not to "finally take effect". If that's the case then it was always an underlying issue, just made worse by certain things.

Well, ok. I'll definitely take that in consideration.
I'll try playing on APU before jumping to conclusion about the whole FM2 thing.
Thanks for all the help and suggestions, means a ton.

[MaddDoktor [Linux]]

Who made your graphics card? I had a cheap GT 430 fail made by Galaxy just after its 1 year warranty expired. But Win7 symptoms were that it would pause, then say something similar to "Graphics driver not responding, recovered". In Linux different symptom, keyboard and mouse buttons stopped responding, although, mouse cursor would usually still move. Eventually I had visual graphic glitches during boot and/or nvidia driver in Linux logs said "hardware not responding" at times during boot. Never any problem with Nvidia graphics from EVGA, MSI, or Asus cards.

Have you tried monitoring system temperatures especially your CPU and GPU in case cooling fan for either of those failed or is cluttered with lint? I once bought an out of the box (returned) PC that had a broken wire on its CPU fan.

[upcoast]

Get to the basics, has memtest86 been run?

Is the 560w psu really a 560w psu or a pop can with wires hanging out, there's some pretty cruddy stuff out there?

Has a win 10 reset or clean install been done?

My personal opinion with Nvidia GFE is don't install it.

There's also a strong possibility the GPU is faulty if everything else checks good. The whole PCI-e 3.0 theory sounds fairly BS-esque to me.

Ps, as far as hardware for Rocket League and CS GO you've got more than enough horsepower for those two games at 1080p.

PUBG you're looking at a definite upgrade pit there with at least a GTX1060 6GB and Ryzen 5 1600.

[upcoast]

The basics are it works or it doesn't now if he's done all those things then I'd have to guess, crap psu, faulty mobo or faulty GPU but the basics haven't been done yet; like swap out the psu or gpu.

Personally I believe the gtx960 needs to be ruled out because if there's no problems with the APU then there is problems with the gtx960 you've got a start point but on the flip side you've got 560w psu which to me screams crap and the rare variable of a faulty PCI-e slot which can't be fixed other than rma replacement mobo..

The basics in 4 pages has been like swiss cheese as in too many variables/holes that have not been ruled out.