For thos still worried about AMD performance with Ryzen

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There is no 'best' really, the closest you'll get to the ultimate chip currently is a de-lidded, binned, seriously watercooled i9 7980XE as it offers very high clocks with very high core count, mind you,it also comes at a very high price.

Going down from there both Intel and AMD have their strengths and weaknesses, fanboys from both sides are pretty toxic like all fanboys tend to be, use the best component for your personal use case, it's why I and many others here will recommend both Intel and AMD depending on budget and needs of the user.

Right now the 8400 and 1600 are two of the 'best' bang for buck chips you can buy, the Intel offering pulls ahead a bit in gaming, the ryzen for multitasking, though, honestly, few actually multitask as it doesn't mean browsing the web or watching YouTube while gaming.

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D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

Cloud Boy původně napsal:

Funny Things is, those who are AMD fans also knows that intel is powerfull. it's clear as SUN in the SKY. Buy still they don't admit it. They are lying with themselves.

the thing is clear, if you are building a 500-600 dollar PC, and wanna save 50 dollar, go buy ryzen 1600. But if extra 50-100 dollar don't matter to you, i am sure even ''[D.o.W] Shumok'' will choose intel i5 8400 / 8600k any moment over Ryzen. And you don't need a UPGRADE PATH for intel i5 / i7, because those CPUs are enough for next 5+ years.

i5-8400 will certainly be choking in 5 years. Oh wait..you are contradicting yourself. There is no reason to buy an i5-8400, because if $100 doesn't matter there is an i5-8600k. Oh wait...there is no reason to buy an 8600k because if $100 doesn't matter there is an 8700k...Oh wait!

Ask yourself, if you would buy a 900 dollar GAMING PC. What would you buy, a Ryzen 1600/1700 or a i5 8600k. When i5 8600k is solid 20% faster, even with GTX 1060. and also has 6 cores.

[[D.o.W] Shumok]

Cloud Boy původně napsal:

D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

Most of the AMD chips from $150-$1000 do actually have more power under the hood than it's Intel competitor. I don't think it's that Intel fans won't admit it though, I think they just don't understand it. Games just leave a lot of power on the table ,which favors the weaker Intel cpu.

i know AMD has more combined power, but those power is NOt ''Gaming Power''. And i also know AMD is better, But for another pourpose like VIDEO EDITING, 3D RENDERING, and other Porfessional works.

But if a person is a Gamer, and also does some casual side activity like Streaming / or everyday Multitasking, then intel 8Th gen is his choice.

Except for the 95% of gamers that don't have higher than 1060's OR have a high refresh monitor OR play competitive shooty type games OR play at higher res OR can't even tell a difference when the R5 is already smooth like butter at over 60fps

I'll bet if I stuck you behind a high refresh monitor with a 1080ti in a high fps game that favors Intel cpu's.....you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between an 8700K and an R5 1500x in a blind test without a benchmark to rely on. You like to talk a lot of crap though.

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Cloud Boy původně napsal:

D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

i5-8400 will certainly be choking in 5 years. Oh wait..you are contradicting yourself. There is no reason to buy an i5-8400, because if $100 doesn't matter there is an i5-8600k. Oh wait...there is no reason to buy an 8600k because if $100 doesn't matter there is an 8700k...Oh wait!

Ask yourself, if you would buy a 900 dollar GAMING PC. What would you buy, a Ryzen 1600/1700 or a i5 8600k. When i5 8600k is solid 20% faster, even with GTX 1060. and also has 6 cores.

Of course if money is no object....the game changes. Money always matters though. If money didn't matter, than why is Intel charging more for the 8600K? If money didn't matter, AMD could come up with a cpu to kill the 8700K....but money matters, and research costs a lot of money.

If you saw my post earlier...I said Coffee Lake is a good competitor for Ryzen (when you can get it for MSRP). Not better than Ryzen....most people gamers or otherwise won't be able to tell the difference. Only some serious multitaskers and serious competitive gamers with the right graphics cards and monitors.

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D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

Cloud Boy původně napsal:

i know AMD has more combined power, but those power is NOt ''Gaming Power''. And i also know AMD is better, But for another pourpose like VIDEO EDITING, 3D RENDERING, and other Porfessional works.

But if a person is a Gamer, and also does some casual side activity like Streaming / or everyday Multitasking, then intel 8Th gen is his choice.

Except for the 95% of gamers that don't have higher than 1060's OR have a high refresh monitor OR play competitive shooty type games OR play at higher res OR can't even tell a difference when the R5 is already smooth like butter at over 60fps

where did you got that 95% from....??

i told you before, AMD's totall market share is only 30%. ( do some research).

So 70% of the people are with intel team. if launching Groundbreaking Ryzen can't increase their Market Share (Oops 5% increase) , what makes you think ZEN+ will do any miracle.

And People always wanna buy powerfull parts, if somebody now has GTX 1050TI, that does not means it is locked to him forever. 2 years later when he upgrades to a GTX 1070 / 1080 class GPU, that i5 will show it's performance. Instead of saving $50 now.
Most of the people Understands that, that's the reason intel is the market Leader. ( But i guess some will never get it, person like you).

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Cloud Boy původně napsal:

D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

Except for the 95% of gamers that don't have higher than 1060's OR have a high refresh monitor OR play competitive shooty type games OR play at higher res OR can't even tell a difference when the R5 is already smooth like butter at over 60fps

where did you got that 95% from....??

i told you before, AMD's totall market share is only 30%. ( do some research).

So 70% of the people are with intel team. if launching Groundbreaking Ryzen can't increase their Market Share (Oops 5% increase) , what makes you think ZEN+ will do any miracle.

And People always wanna buy powerfull parts, if somebody now has GTX 1050TI, that does not means it is locked to him forever. 2 years later when he upgrades to a GTX 1070 / 1080 class CPU, that i5 will show it's performance. Instead of saving $50 now.
Most of the people Understands that, that's the reason intel is the market Leader. ( But i guess some will never get it, person like you).

Didn't say anything about Intel marketshare here. I would bet you that 95% of people that play games on the personal computer either:

1) don't have better than a 1060 graphics card or
2) don't have a high refresh rate monitor or
3) don't play competitive shooty games or the kinds of games that require high fps or
4) don't play at 1080 res or lower
5) do have all of the above and wouldn't really discern the difference (R5 already so smooth)

any of these will disqualify most people from discerning a difference.... That's how tiny your post 60fps advantage is on the i5.

The reason Intel is the market leader is primarily because they had better cpu's before Ryzen....now they are losing marketshare.

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D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

Cloud Boy původně napsal:

where did you got that 95% from....??

i told you before, AMD's totall market share is only 30%. ( do some research).

So 70% of the people are with intel team. if launching Groundbreaking Ryzen can't increase their Market Share (Oops 5% increase) , what makes you think ZEN+ will do any miracle.

And People always wanna buy powerfull parts, if somebody now has GTX 1050TI, that does not means it is locked to him forever. 2 years later when he upgrades to a GTX 1070 / 1080 class CPU, that i5 will show it's performance. Instead of saving $50 now.
Most of the people Understands that, that's the reason intel is the market Leader. ( But i guess some will never get it, person like you).

Didn't say anything about Intel marketshare here. I would bet you that 95% of people that play games on the personal computer either:

1) don't have better than a 1060 graphics card or
2) don't have a high refresh rate monitor or
3) don't play competitive shooty games or the kinds of games that require high fps or
4) don't play at 1080 res or lower
5) do have all of the above and wouldn't really discern the difference (R5 already so smooth)

any of these will disqualify most people from discerning a difference.... That's how tiny your post 60fps advantage is on the i5.

if people have lower computer, or does not understands the graphics.
That does not makes Ryzen more powerfull. Neither change the fact that 7 out of 10 people prefer buying intel. The truth is AMD's Ryzen is barely matching now the same level of performance as intel 2nd / 3rd Gen CPUs. Intel achived that level of performance 5 years ago. And AMD is doing it now. What a Proud.

Same goes to AMD GPU sides. AMD's latest VEGA can't even match the performance of Nvidia's 2 year old PASCAL GPU.

AMD is always 3-5 years behind.
AMD is a ultimate LOSER team everywhere, and anyone with a little common sense can easily see it.

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Cloud Boy původně napsal:

D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

Didn't say anything about Intel marketshare here. I would bet you that 95% of people that play games on the personal computer either:

1) don't have better than a 1060 graphics card or
2) don't have a high refresh rate monitor or
3) don't play competitive shooty games or the kinds of games that require high fps or
4) don't play at 1080 res or lower
5) do have all of the above and wouldn't really discern the difference (R5 already so smooth)

any of these will disqualify most people from discerning a difference.... That's how tiny your post 60fps advantage is on the i5.

if people have lower computer, or does not understands the graphics.
That does not makes Ryzen more powerfull. Neither change the fact that 7 out of 10 people prefer buying intel. The truth is AMD's Ryzen barely matching now the same level of performance as intel 2nd / 3rd Gen CPUs. Intel achived that level of performance 5 years ago. And AMD is doing it now. What a Proud.

Same goes to AMD GPU sides. AMD's latest VEGA can't even match the performance of Nvidia's 2 year old PASCAL GPU.

AMD is a ultimate LOSER team everywhere, and anyone with a little common sense can easily see it.

AMD RX 500 series is a competitive one.
GTX 1060 6GB = RX 580 4GB

I actually own a MSI GAMING RX580 X4GB.
Plus Intel's exclusives aren't always only offered by Intel (for example FXAA which could be set up for both).
Power draft is no longer an issue, stability too after RX400 PCI-E troubles.
Drivers too.

[[D.o.W] Shumok]

Cloud Boy původně napsal:

D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

Didn't say anything about Intel marketshare here. I would bet you that 95% of people that play games on the personal computer either:

1) don't have better than a 1060 graphics card or
2) don't have a high refresh rate monitor or
3) don't play competitive shooty games or the kinds of games that require high fps or
4) don't play at 1080 res or lower
5) do have all of the above and wouldn't really discern the difference (R5 already so smooth)

any of these will disqualify most people from discerning a difference.... That's how tiny your post 60fps advantage is on the i5.

if people have lower computer, or does not understands the graphics.
That does not makes Ryzen more powerfull. Neither change the fact that 7 out of 10 people prefer buying intel. The truth is AMD's Ryzen is barely matching now the same level of performance as intel 2nd / 3rd Gen CPUs. Intel achived that level of performance 5 years ago. And AMD is doing it now. What a Proud.

Same goes to AMD GPU sides. AMD's latest VEGA can't even match the performance of Nvidia's 2 year old PASCAL GPU.

AMD is always 3-5 years behind.
AMD is a ultimate LOSER team everywhere, and anyone with a little common sense can easily see it.

You are just wrong. Simple as that. Ryzen is better than Kaby Lake. Coffee Lake ties with a little better gaming performance and a little worse multitasking. Pinnacle Ridge wins again. Intel might tie it up again late 2018...but Zen 2 in 2019 crushes Intel until they go back to the drawing board...they will be behind until 2022 and maybe longer.

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D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

Cloud Boy původně napsal:

if people have lower computer, or does not understands the graphics.
That does not makes Ryzen more powerfull. Neither change the fact that 7 out of 10 people prefer buying intel. The truth is AMD's Ryzen is barely matching now the same level of performance as intel 2nd / 3rd Gen CPUs. Intel achived that level of performance 5 years ago. And AMD is doing it now. What a Proud.

Same goes to AMD GPU sides. AMD's latest VEGA can't even match the performance of Nvidia's 2 year old PASCAL GPU.

AMD is always 3-5 years behind.
AMD is a ultimate LOSER team everywhere, and anyone with a little common sense can easily see it.

You are just wrong. Simple as that. Ryzen is better than Kaby Lake. Coffee Lake ties with a little better gaming performance and a little worse multitasking. Pinnacle Ridge wins again. Intel might tie it up again late 2018...but Zen 2 in 2019 crushes Intel until they go back to the drawing board...they will be behind until 2022 and maybe longer.

Actually you are wrong, even old 4th Gen i7 4790k is 20% faster than Ryzen 1700x, when playing with GTX 1080. see benchmarks below-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6tcnrZfqQ0

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Cloud Boy původně napsal:

D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

You are just wrong. Simple as that. Ryzen is better than Kaby Lake. Coffee Lake ties with a little better gaming performance and a little worse multitasking. Pinnacle Ridge wins again. Intel might tie it up again late 2018...but Zen 2 in 2019 crushes Intel until they go back to the drawing board...they will be behind until 2022 and maybe longer.

Nope you are wrong, even old i7 4790k is 20% faster than Ryzen 1700x, when playing with GTX 1080. see benchmarks below-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6tcnrZfqQ0

You are wrong again. I never denied that a late model i7 had the edge in games. Ryzen is still much better than Kaby Lake even if it loses in some games. Besides, that benchmark is from March...Ryzen has had a ton of patches since then and benches higher than that.

So Intel is 20% faster than Ryzen in games pre-patch (what? 1 or 2 of them?) and Ryzen is what....60% or more powerful in multithreaded apps....70%? a year ago? and dx 12 games just starting to trickle in.

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Cloud Boy původně napsal:

D.o.W Shumok původně napsal:

You are just wrong. Simple as that. Ryzen is better than Kaby Lake. Coffee Lake ties with a little better gaming performance and a little worse multitasking. Pinnacle Ridge wins again. Intel might tie it up again late 2018...but Zen 2 in 2019 crushes Intel until they go back to the drawing board...they will be behind until 2022 and maybe longer.

Actually you are wrong, even old 4th Gen i7 4790k is 20% faster than Ryzen 1700x, when playing with GTX 1080. see benchmarks below-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6tcnrZfqQ0

Here you go...this looks a little more recent....See how the 1800x matches the 7700k and totally crushes the 7600k. I trust you know that the 7700k beats the 4790k and until Coffee Lake, was considered the very best gaming cpu Intel had.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/assassins-creed-performance-origins-likes-8-or-more-threaded-cpus.html

Gosh if gaming on Ryzen is improving this fast in just 7months, my prediction of R5's beating Coffee Lake i5's in 3 years was way too conservative....WOW!

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The above benchmark is only 1 game Benchmarks, it does not shows average performance of the CPU, across the board.........

Here is Benchmarks with Kaby Lake,
see below-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5JAaBNtE-c

Here is another REAL TIME benchmarks from Digital Faundry, Pause the Video to compare FPS, and see the upper right side of the screen........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDvk9_iTq6Y&t=229s

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*Grabs popcorns*

I upgraded from AMD FX-6300 to i7-6700k because there were no Kaby Lake nor Ryzen and AMD alternative was crap.

However, I don't have any need to upgrade as most of the games I play are still pretty much GPU bound with my GTX 1080. Those don't are actually bound by their engine to limit it to quad core HT model (CA's Total War) where my Skylake is pretty much still the top clock for clock).

Also core war just started. Buying 8 cores now when you don't need it just for "future proof" is quite dumb as in a year or two 10-12 core maybe mainstream. Money in your pocket now is always better.

And Direct X 12 or Vulkan games are barely present. Also Wolf II crashes and Screentear because they were so busy with showcasing Vega instead of patching their game, so Naaaaaah. Until we get a popular game in these API. Even frequently touted Frostbite Engine performs like crap on DX 12 vs 11.

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MossyRathalos původně napsal:

I would wait until at least Zen+ before buying AMD now that Intel CL is out though.

That only make sense if you think Intel is better right now. Which is a valid point. And yeah Zen+ will be even better.

This video doesn't compare with Intel. Intel is still better for the games. Ryzen definitely run them OK though.

Maybe the refresh will almost catch up in single core performance.