Built retro PC and games are running slow

[ppepp]

I recently built a retro gaming pc to play games from 2004-2006. The games have been running slow, though I've only tested Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2 Lost Coast. I get anywhere from 30-18 fps which ir should be (I think) 60 fps and over due to my specs being over recommended.

PC Specs:

GPU- Radeon X1650 Pro 512mb
CPU- Athlon 64 X2 Duel Core 3600+
RAM- 2GB
OS- Windows XP Pro 64-bit

[Cathulhu]

There's no such thing as Windows XP Pro 64Bit as that is technically a Windows Server 2003 OS with the Windows XP GUI slapped on it.
That Frankenstein abomination is unsuited for gaming in its entirety as no one would use a Server OS to run videogames.

I wonder why you built that rig as Half Life 2 runs absolutely fine on modern PCs.

[ppepp]

I was unaware that it was a server OS as where I had downloaded it did not say it was.

[upcoast]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mASSon:

I recently built a retro gaming pc to play games from 2004-2006. The games have been running slow, though I've only tested Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2 Lost Coast. I get anywhere from 30-18 fps which ir should be (I think) 60 fps and over due to my specs being over recommended.

PC Specs:

GPU- Radeon X1650 Pro 512mb
CPU- Athlon 64 X2 Duel Core 3600+
RAM- 2GB
OS- Windows XP Pro 64-bit

Nothing wrong with XP Pro 64bit.

The cpu even back then is total crud topped off by the equally cruddy x1650pro.

The x2 5600/3000 were more relative at 2.8/3.0/3.1ghz.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/his-radeon-x1650-pro-review,8.html

It truly is a bad choice of gpu ^ , I have an x1950pro sitting in a drawer that is much useless but the 1650 is horrible.

[AtTheGates]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cathulhu:

There's no such thing as Windows XP Pro 64Bit as that is technically a Windows Server 2003 OS with the Windows XP GUI slapped on it.
That Frankenstein abomination is unsuited for gaming in its entirety as no one would use a Server OS to run videogames.

I wonder why you built that rig as Half Life 2 runs absolutely fine on modern PCs.

Actually Windows XP x64 IS Pro.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mASSon:

I recently built a retro gaming pc to play games from 2004-2006. The games have been running slow, though I've only tested Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2 Lost Coast. I get anywhere from 30-18 fps which ir should be (I think) 60 fps and over due to my specs being over recommended.

PC Specs:

GPU- Radeon X1650 Pro 512mb
CPU- Athlon 64 X2 Duel Core 3600+
RAM- 2GB
OS- Windows XP Pro 64-bit

That setup is perfectly decent for running games from that era. Think is Half Life 2 and Half Life 2: Lost Coast got lighting updates in like 2009, so they need more graphical muscle than games of the 2004-2006 era. For other games it should run fine. I even ran Crysis on that card back in the day!

[ppepp]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AtTheGates:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mASSon:

I recently built a retro gaming pc to play games from 2004-2006. The games have been running slow, though I've only tested Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2 Lost Coast. I get anywhere from 30-18 fps which ir should be (I think) 60 fps and over due to my specs being over recommended.

PC Specs:

GPU- Radeon X1650 Pro 512mb
CPU- Athlon 64 X2 Duel Core 3600+
RAM- 2GB
OS- Windows XP Pro 64-bit

That setup is perfectly decent for running games from that era. Think is Half Life 2 and Half Life 2: Lost Coast got lighting updates in like 2009, so they need more graphical muscle than games of the 2004-2006 era. For other games it should run fine. I even ran Crysis on that card back in the day!

How would I be able to get the non-updated versions of the games?

[upcoast]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AtTheGates:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mASSon:

I recently built a retro gaming pc to play games from 2004-2006. The games have been running slow, though I've only tested Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2 Lost Coast. I get anywhere from 30-18 fps which ir should be (I think) 60 fps and over due to my specs being over recommended.

PC Specs:

GPU- Radeon X1650 Pro 512mb
CPU- Athlon 64 X2 Duel Core 3600+
RAM- 2GB
OS- Windows XP Pro 64-bit

That setup is perfectly decent for running games from that era. Think is Half Life 2 and Half Life 2: Lost Coast got lighting updates in like 2009, so they need more graphical muscle than games of the 2004-2006 era. For other games it should run fine. I even ran Crysis on that card back in the day!

TBH, you ran Crysis like a slide show cut the BS.

[AtTheGates]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mASSon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AtTheGates:

That setup is perfectly decent for running games from that era. Think is Half Life 2 and Half Life 2: Lost Coast got lighting updates in like 2009, so they need more graphical muscle than games of the 2004-2006 era. For other games it should run fine. I even ran Crysis on that card back in the day!

How would I be able to get the non-updated versions of the games?

I don't know. Steam FORCES updates now. I actually own the 2004 DVD version of Half Life 2, but I cannot install it with Steam forcing the latest version. I guess with cracks it might work, but I never tried.
Saying that however, I played a lot of Half Life 2 a couple of years ago on my retro gaming PC (Pentium 4 3.2Ghz, 2GB RAM, GeForce 6800 GT 256MB, Windows XP Home, 1024x768&85Hz), and on the higher settings I was getting 40-50FPS, and that setup was weaker than yours...

[Fluffy]

its a tad too weak to be a retro gaming machine i expect it to be older parts but i bit higher end of that era just because you ran it fine back then doesnt mean you can run it fine now. background process,steam,requirements etc. have changed since then

[ppepp]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AtTheGates:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mASSon:

How would I be able to get the non-updated versions of the games?

I don't know. Steam FORCES updates now. I actually own the 2004 DVD version of Half Life 2, but I cannot install it with Steam forcing the latest version. I guess with cracks it might work, but I never tried.
Saying that however, I played a lot of Half Life 2 a couple of years ago on my retro gaming PC (Pentium 4 3.2Ghz, 2GB RAM, GeForce 6800 GT 256MB, Windows XP Home, 1024x768&85Hz), and on the higher settings I was getting 40-50FPS, and that setup was weaker than yours...

I will try some other games to test that I know haven't had any graphical updates, of course older games

[Fluffy]

it would cost you hardly anything to upgrade it to be a better retro machine which i understand because some older games run like crap on new machines.. u can get a better cpu+gpu+more than 2 gigs of ram for like $30. ive got a local recycle pc place in town and could build one for just a few. even ebay has am2/939 cpus for dirt cheap

[Mossy Snake]

I actually still have an old faithful ATI Radeon X600 still going strong...

There might be issues in regards to the OS itself, but otherwise it could be driver issues.

Those old drivers can be hard to come by at times from what I've seen.

[AtTheGates]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fluffy:

its a tad too weak to be a retro gaming machine i expect it to be older parts but i bit higher end of that era just because you ran it fine back then doesnt mean you can run it fine now. background process,steam,requirements etc. have changed since then

No it isn't I can guarantee you.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mASSon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AtTheGates:

I don't know. Steam FORCES updates now. I actually own the 2004 DVD version of Half Life 2, but I cannot install it with Steam forcing the latest version. I guess with cracks it might work, but I never tried.
Saying that however, I played a lot of Half Life 2 a couple of years ago on my retro gaming PC (Pentium 4 3.2Ghz, 2GB RAM, GeForce 6800 GT 256MB, Windows XP Home, 1024x768&85Hz), and on the higher settings I was getting 40-50FPS, and that setup was weaker than yours...

I will try some other games to test that I know haven't had any graphical updates, of course older games

Good idea.

[Fluffy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AtTheGates:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fluffy:

its a tad too weak to be a retro gaming machine i expect it to be older parts but i bit higher end of that era just because you ran it fine back then doesnt mean you can run it fine now. background process,steam,requirements etc. have changed since then

No it isn't I can guarantee you.

obviously it is you cant honestly expect to run games with windows xp and game with that machine even back in the day i about matched the specs (which doesnt cut it anymore) but still needed more than 2gb of ram when servicepack2 came out

[ppepp]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MossyRathalos:

I actually still have an old faithful ATI Radeon X600 still going strong...

There might be issues in regards to the OS itself, but otherwise it could be driver issues.

Those old drivers can be hard to come by at times from what I've seen.

I know it's not the OS as I got the same performance with other versions of windows xp. About the drivers though, they were from AMD's website and the latest that would work with the card, so I don't think that could be the problem, though of course newer ones could have better results.

[upcoast]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4zDAId9qx0

It really is a weak pair of gpu and cpu even for old hardware.

Using old hardware one would pick up cheap $20 x3 -x4 3ghz athlons min and the GTX 280s maybe $20 or HD6870 $30 tops.

You can see the 1650pro taking a dive in crysis at 800x600, I was able to get playable fps out of a x2 5600/ 8800GTS640MB at 1680 x 1050 which said card and gpu at this point is pretty much worthless.

I've got 2 x2 3600 towers I use for netflix and that's about all they're good for.

I still believe even though the x1650pro gpu has a lot of letters in it it is still trash even for back then.