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Well it all depends on the cost of CPU. I was looking at Ryzen but since here the cost of those comes to about $300 with taxes from a retail store that is looking at AMD Ryzen 5 1500X and Ryzen 5 1600 not to mention the motherboard and RAM.
An i3-8100 is about $155 with out taxes while an i5-7400 costs about $229 without taxes. Components here aren't really that cheap if you go retail route which is what i kinda prefer to save me the headache if there's anything wrong in terms of refunds/exchanges comparing to buying online.
And likely you need new mobo for 9th gen anyway e.g Z390 for 9th gen. i7. No sense getting a new cheap mobo.
That makes sense, but I would like to maybe get a motherboard that has 4 slots on it instead of 2 which is what mine currently has and can run DDR4 memory as at the moment i'm limited to upgrading my RAM to 16GB DDR3 at the same speed because my current mobo only accepts 1300mhz/1600mhz.
Otherwise i have considered an i5 7th generation.
Yeah but i currently have 8GB DDR3 ram and i'd have to spend about $100 or so on a 2 x 8gb kit anyways with my current motherboard since i only have 2 slots to replace my current ram sticks that occupy the slots.
thirdly my motherboard that i currently have doesn't support higher frequency speeds.
RAM is a capacity - you want enough capacity to run your OS and any game you could possibly play. Any capacity beyond that provides no benefit, since you're never actually using it.
To put it more simply, if you're using 12GB of RAM capacity and you have 32GB of RAM, more than half of your RAM is just sitting idle doing nothing. The extra capacity isn't providing any benefit whatsoever.
At the moment, you won't ever reach a situation in normal gaming where you need more than 16GB of RAM. That just won't happen. The only time you may need more than that is when doing certain professional tasks - extra RAM can make sense on a workstation, but it's pointless on a gaming system. Especially if you're on a budget, with RAM prices skyrocketing.
And even then, you're better off closing tabs and cutting down on processes than you are upgrading to more RAM. Better habits cost you nothing, an extra 8GB of RAM would cost you over $100 with today's prices.
D-RAM modules are getting expensive because a couple of suppliers have a near-monopoly and are using that to squeeze the market. And it's only going to get worse over the next year. Expect high RAM prices until at least this time next year.
My system is currently only a year old, so i doubt i'll be yet upgrading because i can't afford to spend cash each year to upgrade parts just because something becomes outdated by new technology.
I already had 8GB of ram available when having the store assemble my PC so i used that. Even if i wanted to upgrade ram i'm definitely looking to spend around $100-$140 approx already not to mention I'm using DDR3.
> "lower end ones be released"
2018.
> "and what will be the versions for them"
Seem like B360 is what you were considering.
> "with DDR3 8gb 1600mhz memory with a H110M-C D3 motherboard."
Make me want to ask why you have the DDR3 variant. Did you already have DDR3 RAM and picked it because it would be compatible? Though it's DDR3L which is really supported right? Or did you choose it because it was a tiny bit cheaper?
> "I am trying to decide if it's worth going for an i3-8100 @ 3.60ghz and some 16GB DDR4 memory and a new motherboard or should i get one of the 7th generation CPUs which will allow me to use my current set up."
Depends on what they cost used I guess. Anything below i5 6500 would be weaker than i3 8100 I guess, i7 6700 to really get ahead. Maybe even need 6600K to go beyond i3 8100?
> "not to mention the motherboard and RAM."
Also required for 8th gen.
> "while an i5-7400 costs about $229 without taxes."
Sure that's an option and while you save money on motherboard you'll pay more for the CPU. And if you want to upgrade your RAM do you really want to buy 16 GB of DDR3? Close to no saving if you aren't saving your RAM.
> "anyways with my current motherboard"
An alternative to buy 2x8 GB of faster DDR3 is to get 2x4 GB more and a different motherboard, but if your first kit is 1600 MHz then you can't overclock it in the end anyway.
I don't really know how I thought yesterday .. =P
My thoughts:
If you want to keep it cheap then I don't know if the i3 8100 feel like large enough upgrade, I don't know if a used i7 6700/6700K and used 2x8 GB DDR3 could be had for a decent price once availability of Coffee Lake will be stronger. I wouldn't buy a new 7th gen chip.
Had B360 been around then i3 8100 would had been some upgrade and i5 8400 and even stronger one, but now it's not.
Ryzen 5 1500X + B350 doesn't really become cheaper than the i3 8100 + Z370 either. Stronger multi-threaded performance but ..
Ryzen 1600 + B350 a bit less than i5 8400 + Z370, stronger multi-threaded performance especially when overclocked but I guess a bit slower in games.
Since it don't seem like you are buying it now I wouldn't really try decide now anyway because you don't know how it will look when it's time but if you wait until February+ then maybe Ryzen+ or whatever it was called and new B450 boards from AMD and the B360 boards from Intel may be out / coming out soon.
I'd assume some improvement on previous Ryzen so maybe catching up with Intel in / core performance? I don't know if it's likely with PCI-express 4.0 on the motherboards or not but that would be cool too because that would double the bandwidth of the PCI-express lanes and suddenly the 24 lanes would become the equivalent of 48 vs the 20 over at Intel .. ;). But maybe that's not a thing? Maybe that was for Zen 2. I've seen someone speculate about it at-least.
At-least i3 6100 isn't terrible. My CPU is.
If now then just a used i5?
B350 + R5 1400 vs Z370 + i3 8100 doesn't really seem worth it.
B350 + R5 1600 vs Z370 + i5 8400 maybe, but they are so close and the i5 likely have the gaming advantage.
Intel have the CPU advantage for games but AMD keep their competitiveness simply because Intel doesn't offer the cheaper motherboards yet .. And once they do AMD is ready to upgrade the processors with better ones..
Realistically many of the 8th gen Intel processors "haven't launched" either, if the idea that only 10% of the processors Intel will be delivering this quarter will be Coffee lake chips.
Stick with i3 6100 until you can upgrade to i5 8400 + B360 or B450 + Ryzen 2600 or whatever? Maybe?
This is some good input.
I do mainly game on my PC but i do like to multi-task sometimes like either having programs open in the background since sometimes i look stuff up for video games if the need be and overall when i originally got my current PC i was on a budget of $850 since then i have put some stuff in such as 5 case fans, a better PSU and a GTX 1060 6GB.
Yeah at the time when i was looking to build a PC i already had some parts laying around so i used them.
Some of the options you mention i will definitely consider. It's just comparing to USD prices on PC parts here you are paying twice the price which kinda limits me on how much i can spend.
I can't really upgrade my ram to much because my motherboard only has 2 slots on it.
I really honestly can't understand why PC component prices are hiking up.
I read one question whatever Internet stores and distribution was holding inflation back.
The argument was that for most goods you buy the majority of the cost is distribution cost, like manufacturer - distributer share - shipping to a continent - local distributor share - retailer store share - cost of store / sending you the item - you. Stores like Amazon cut away a lot of that and you can order say clothes from online stores in China. So that may hold prices back and people think "oh we've got so low inflation!" meanwhile the banks make more money and the companies earn money and the stock market is inflated and then there's CPUs the difference of store price on a CPU and the 1000 units price may differ 10-20 USD. Not much to cut away from that .. So maybe the amount of money and the lower value of it show better there than in other items where middle-men has been cut away at the same time. With RAM there's competition with smartphones but maybe also flash-RAM/SSDs and then with graphics cards the miners. TSMC supposedly may sink $20 billion into a 3 nm factory to keep providing chips for Apple in the future, for sure it doesn't matter which phone manufacturer are ordering the parts but before we didn't had $1000+ phones with the demands thereafter.. plus the global population become richer and can demand more stuff, then again one can build more factories so maybe that's not a problem =P, access to some minerals may be I guess.
But your motherboard do support 2x8 GB right?4
Xeon E3 1225 v5 and i7 6700 both some "pretty expensive" on ebay. Guess that depend .. Like $200. A bit cheaper than i3 8100 and with hyper-threading so .. maybe that's a better choice after all.
I live in Canada.
No i totally get that but its ridiculous that some countries end up paying more than another. Oh the only phones that will cost cheap is android at least most of them will while Apple will continue to charge high prices because people like the product so they make money and people are happy. It really i guess come's down to choice.
Well i can do 2 x 8gb but i'd be paying around $100-$140 for two sticks of RAM.
I just did update my bios on my motherboard to version 2002 which is supposedly to allow my motherboard to support Kaby Lake processors. Since i already have an intel motherboard I am thinking that perhaps my best option would be to do either a 6th generation Skylake i5 or one of the new Kaby Lake processors.
I know your dollar carries less value and then of course you don't pay the same amount of dollars, also I assume you've got VAT/taxes on top and that of course increase the price too.
I don't know what the processor cost in USA but here in Sweden where I "pre-ordered" it or whatever to call it when it's not in stock it was 3790 SEK, I assume a typical US price could had been $379.
3790 SEK = $469 US or $587 CAD.
But we have 25% VAT and a small "chemical tax" for electronics thanks to the communists, environmentalists and socialists, remove the VAT which will be 20% of the price and it become $375 USD which would even be cheaper than $379 .. And then the chemical tax on that..
So.. I assume a $375 price over in the US for it was pretty good? I wouldn't call it more expensive at-least, except stupid taxes and chemical fees but that of course have nothing to do with the market anywhere but just to do with politics. I don't see why Canada wouldn't be able to have such deals too so I assume it's "by design" somewhere.
A more normal price here I guess thanks to the situation was 4199 though which without VAT would had been $416 or $521 but even that isn't terrible considering no-one have it in stock ..
For price that's cheaper.
However a new quad-core kaby lake processor alone would likely cost close to what a quad-core coffee lake + B360 motherboard would had cost. And then if you wanted more RAM you could had gotten the 2x8 GB as DDR4 rather than DDR3 because then you'd also have a new motherboard. So I don't really think the new Kaby lake option is very attractive if you want to get 16 GB of RAM except for the fact that B360 isn't even available =P
To fit the price Ryzen 3 1300 + B350 would be available already, it's no i3 8100 but pretty close. I would prefer the i3 8100 personally over it though, but the Z370 motherboards is more expensive.
Here, have a look at your CPU vs mine and be happy:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-6100-vs-AMD-Phenom-9850/3511vsm2967¨
Enjoy! ;D
Like how they brand it:
Workstation - mine: Surfboard
Workstation - yours: Jet ski
Desktop - mine: Sail boat
Desktop - yours: Battleship
Gaming - mine: Sail boat
Gaming - yours: Destroyer