Suggest me a PC case.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

I've watched the gamers nexus video about poor airflow in cases.

Before I wanted to build mini itx for size and weight but then came Ryzen with people complaining about VRM (more so with FX) and now 8700K with bad TIM and very high temp with OC. Maybe 10nm cannon lake will help there but that's for late 2018 ..

Corsair 460x looks nice and is on sale but supposedly you can't have high RAM sticks like Tridentz and a AIO cooler with push fans at the same time. Cougar Panzer may be even better, especially for air flow but a tad bit uglier and more expensive right now. Both cases lack usb type c connector which is sad because z370 k6 from asrock got front connector for it.

Air 540 and haf xb evo could had been nice cases too I guess but feel kinda outdated.

* air 540
* 460x
* panter

Anything else? Meshify c?

None of them is perfect.


Also should I go 1499 sek lower black corsair 3000 mhz cl 15 ram or 1799 sek shiny but too high for nh-d15 and top mounted AIO in some cases tridentz at 3200 cl 16? For intel the speed make no difference and it end up being 300 sek for rgb but less compatibility ...


One could front mount an AIO in whatever case but do one want heat pumping out there and if so take in air in back and top but what about all those graphics cards with fans mounted in the bottom position if so? If motherboard could also be mounted upside down then sure. Or if the cases could take air from the bottom but these ones doesn't. They have the PSU there.

The Panzer is also a bit wiggly.

460x looks so nice and if one drop the Tridentz then it's of course no problem, thing is with Tridentz NH-D15 doesn't work and top-mounted AIO doesn't work either in that case so .. That break everything. On the other hand the Tridentz of course look nice.. And the NZXT Kraken X62 also look the nicest though not necessarily the best for the money so .. Stuff like H110i + Corsair RAM would save money but look more boring ;D, would allow for an uglier case too because then you wouldn't be someone who cared anyway ;D, the ASRock Z370 K6 is pretty shiny, Gigabyte Ultra Gaming 7 and MSI Pro Carbon AC are even shinier I suppose. As long as cooling worked and the motherboard was still good quality I totally would prefer Micro-ATX. As someone with a lot of accumulated harddrives I also feel just having support for 2 is a bit cheap. I could live with 2 day to day and I could use a NAS so it's not the end of the day but if it supported 3 that would be nice. I also don't mind 5 1/4" slots at-least not as an option.

Guess 600C is an option.
* Inverse
* 5 1/4" bays
* Bottom fans (but no top, wtf?! ;D)

But the type of cases I originally wanted was these:
http://www.xigmatek.com/product_detail.php?item=63
http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mini-itx-elite-series/elite130/
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-o5/
It's pretty far from those ;D
But I don't know of any small good motherboards and even less so of small cases with good cooling performance I suppose.

NZXT H700i another option. Doesn't look as good as the Corsair 460X especially but not as the Cougar Panzer either.

Corsair 600C and Air 540 isn't ugly cases but.. they aren't the best looking either =P

Air 540 got pretty reasonable sides in length, seem like it can handle TridentZ with AIO just fine, can handle cooler up to 170 mm height and support 5 1/4" drives so I guess that's the best "comfort" / for use rather than looks case. But the 460X is better looking.. If only they had made it a tiny bit higher. And both still lack USB type C.

[Arya]

Cooler Master has a new HAF model launching fairly soon. It's got a modernised exterior design, more glass and even more cooling than the previous version, including the ability to fit gargantuan non-standard size fans top and front.

The design is somewhat utilitarian, but I personally quite like that. I plan to use one for my next build, with all that space you can run a Liquid Cooled PC and still have good airflow.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Maybe the Corsair 570X case have more room for AIO and higher RAM sticks. It does seem like it's got a too short PSU shroud and no good holes for putting cables through there plus of course a bunch of motherboards like those listed come with these "shields" sutting over backside IO and possibly over VRM too as heatsinks increasing the height over the motherboard possibly enough to interfere with AIO heatsinks + fans those too. For performance the case should have some room there so it can be used and also some room between those fans and whatever exterior wall so air can pass through but as they also want to make the cases small (or silent) that may not happen ..

Of couse the 570X is very nice looking but I assume it's a pain to move anywhere because it's got glass on four of six sides.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wolfıe:

Cooler Master has a new HAF model launching fairly soon. It's got a modernised exterior design, more glass and even more cooling than the previous version, including the ability to fit gargantuan non-standard size fans top and front.

The design is somewhat utilitarian, but I personally quite like that. I plan to use one for my next build, with all that space you can run a Liquid Cooled PC and still have good airflow.

The 500P or something else?
The 500P was shot down because it's not high air flow but rather low air flow because it's covered by plastic in front and on the top. Supposedly Cooler master has listened and it seem like they will fix that I'd assume with a second model with mesh rather than plastic but alternatively with mesh panels as an add-on.
Fractal design also did the Meshify C as an alternative to Define C for better air flow too.
The Meshify C isn't ugly but it's nowhere near as good looking as the 460X and 570X, I guess IMHO actually uglier than Air 540 too so .. But for looks I'd take the Cougar Panzer over it too I guess because while the angled plastic "bars" on it looks a bit cheap and so does the metal mesh at-least the metal mesh serves a perfect very nice function whereas sadly the plastic bars doesn't and just make the case more prone to tilting/falling over. It's a pretty cheap case with good looks and good air flow so that's nice.

If you mean the 500P then I'm not interested. It has large fans but it's a plastic case with bad air flow as is and if they go mesh then air flow will be better but I guess it may still leave a bit of a cheap impression. If you mean something except that one then I'm interested. I've always been interested in the HAF XB (Evo), that and the Air 540 really got superior shapes as far as getting as much stuff into an easy to move / not too long in either direction case. Those would be easy enough to put in an IKEA Large bag and just move around as is.

The whole moving computer around thing may seem weird but my sister got two kids and I wouldn't mind bringing the computer over to play games there so ..
Then again an alternative is of course to clean up my apartment and have them come over to play games here ;D, but that's more work now isn't it?! ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRsb4C5gLLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAzAO9VQPmI
I like how he solves it :D

Corsair 570X:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xybUiva4xiY

Corsair 460X:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moJbyLbyGFA

Cougar Panzer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJiwZCUFy8

Corsair Air 540:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x4JsOoySdQ

Corsair Air 740 pretty ugly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOTnCJw8w5I

NZXT H700i:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oawjNn5_Mfs

Silverstone KL07:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RCMswFx8h0

Silverstone RL06 has very nice air flow but it's soooo ugly with that dual box design I can't buy it anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4T9-UaWqfY

I link the Fractal Design Meshify C too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeUZQYpWjEU

Stuff like Cooler Master Maker 5 exist too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uolxj60QVpI

But are there any better options?

Air 740 got the fans right ...
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/unnamed1.jpg

[Arya]

I wouldn't consider an Air 540 or similar for any kind of serious performance build. They're a fantastic case for a midrange PC, but if you're serious about airflow I'd look elsewhere. Ultimately it's a little shoebox with plenty of obstructions to prevent good throughflow.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wolfıe:

I wouldn't consider an Air 540 or similar for any kind of serious performance build. They're a fantastic case for a midrange PC, but if you're serious about airflow I'd look elsewhere. Ultimately it's a little shoebox with plenty of obstructions to prevent good throughflow.

What obstruction?

[Arya]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wolfıe:

I wouldn't consider an Air 540 or similar for any kind of serious performance build. They're a fantastic case for a midrange PC, but if you're serious about airflow I'd look elsewhere. Ultimately it's a little shoebox with plenty of obstructions to prevent good throughflow.

What obstruction?

The build I did was obstructed by the GPU.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wolfıe:

The build I did was obstructed by the GPU.

You mean poor airflow from below? Seem to be common.

I've thought AIO mounted in the front seemed bad because if it blew hot air out it would be annoying and if it blew it into the case that seemed worse than throwing it out.
However, and I didn't thought about that, it also mean it get cool air rather than hot air from the case which cool the CPU better.

.. so I've decided that's not a problem. As for worse air flow to the graphics card that's still a problem.

Also Noctua has the NH-D15S now which should cost $20 less than NH-D15 but for whatever reason doesn't here in Sweden (not because we use SEK, it's just not cheaper at all ;D), to lose one fan there make very little difference and if one really wanted to assuming the case had the room for it one could lift the second fan up or one could mount a smaller 140 mm fan instead.

So maybe the 460X isn't that bad after all? 570X would be larger and even shinier but cost more and .. larger .. and no full PSU shroud and no more disc or fan space anyway. Hard to see what they actually improved on that one except put more glass on a larger box =P

Since non-delidded Coffee lake get very hot I assume I would had put the radiator in the front anyway.

As for the issue you have with graphics card cooling there I would definitely had preferred either PSU in top and bottom fans or at-least bottom fans even with PSU on bottom or just the reversed mounting of the motherboard (PSU at bottom is more stable and nicer for cabling) with top fans blowing down on the graphics card for superior cooling. The natural rise of hot air won't have much effect against actual fans so it wouldn't really be a problem and one could vent the hot air out in the back or whatever anyway.



Now Vengeance vs TridentZ stick is still a problem. TridentZ look much better and did cost 300 SEK more, maybe the difference is larger now?, however they are 10 or 12 mm higher which is perfectly fine for AIO but not for NH-D15 with both fans mounted unless one is raised which can't be done in the 460X, they are fine with the NH-D15S and I'd assume maybe the NH-U14 or whatever it's called but regardless I assume an HN-D15S cooler could cover them up quite a bit making them less relevant.

The Kraken X62 is the best looking cooler and the EVGA CLC 280 can be had for a nice price and whatever Cooler Master have even cheaper but it seem like the Kraken X62 would make more noise than the NH-D15S and that make it somewhat uninteresting. I don't know how much noise it make against case fans and whole computer noise though.


If one got a Corsair 460X case would you people go something like NH-D15S or Kraken X62 and TridentZ or Vegeance?

The latency in seconds is the same and the clock speed and compatibility of the RAM make no difference so it's all about 300 SEK more for RGB light and higher memory modules which interfere with some cooler solutions.

Of course the Noctua cooler weight more of the motherboard. I don't know how much that matter.