What is more likely to cause stutter?

[Yukari The Alpaca]

Old 5200rpm HDD or Old Ram sticks? The stutter only happens in open world games, and I doubt it would be from the motherboard. I have already had 3 of my ram sticks bite the dust.


Original Description: I have owned my ram sticks for over 5 years now. I already had to remove one of them, since it went bad and was causing issues. The remaining sticks seem to still function, but the boot time is around 15 seconds, from post to actual log in. Can this be because of how old the sticks are?

Original title: Is bad ram likely to cause a slow boot?

[OLDMAN🎅]

Escrito originalmente por Yukari The Alpaca:

I have owned my ram sticks for over 5 years now. I already had to remove one of them, since it went bad and was causing issues. The remaining sticks seem to still function, but the boot time is around 15 seconds, from post to actual log in. Can this be because of how old the sticks are?

15 sec is boot up time is normal for a SSD drive,My board has MSI fast boot and it is 10 15 sec

[Yukari The Alpaca]

Escrito originalmente por Bad_Motha:

Just RMA all the faulty RAM and get them replaced, why wait.
Either its your RAM or the Motherboard...

I doubt it's the motherboard. Wouldn't it happen in all games if that were the case? It only seems to happen in open world games. I feel it would be either the ram or the old hard drive that is the problem.

[Yukari The Alpaca]

Title changed to fit question better.

[Andrius227]

5200rpm hdd is the problem for sure. Totally not suitable for gaming.

[Yukari The Alpaca]

Thx mate

Escrito originalmente por Andrius227:

5200rpm hdd is the problem for sure. Totally not suitable for gaming.

[Squirrell]

I've never heard of ram sticks going bad. I used to work in IT infrastructure. So something is wrong somewhere, possibly a faulty mobo, wrong memory type, overclocking ........

For open world games, stuttering can occur if you don't have enough ram, not because you have too much. But the o/s and drivers can also cause it. I have never seen hard disk cause stuttering unless the disk is corrupted.

Sisoft sandra can perform a basic check on your system and report potential problems.

But as I said in your earlier thread you can run a benchmark test to see how your rig compares to others of the same config. If it comes in low then look at the component with the low score. For example, if your graphics score is low then it's probably your graphics drivers.

If you try and run a game at a resolution or visual quality greater than the gpu can support it can stutter too. If the power settings aren't on max it can stutter. If the cpu is overheating it can stutter and so on.

And a lot of games ported from consoles can stutter too.

[Yukari The Alpaca]

Escrito originalmente por Squirrell:

I've never heard of ram sticks going bad. I used to work in IT infrastructure. So something is wrong somewhere, possibly a faulty mobo, wrong memory type, overclocking ........

For open world games, stuttering can occur if you don't have enough ram, not because you have too much. But the o/s and drivers can also cause it. I have never seen hard disk cause stuttering unless the disk is corrupted.

Sisoft sandra can perform a basic check on your system and report potential problems.

But as I said in your earlier thread you can run a benchmark test to see how your rig compares to others of the same config. If it comes in low then look at the component with the low score. For example, if your graphics score is low then it's probably your graphics drivers.

If you try and run a game at a resolution or visual quality greater than the gpu can support it can stutter too. If the power settings aren't on max it can stutter. If the cpu is overheating it can stutter and so on.

And a lot of games ported from consoles can stutter too.

Temps are fine for all parts. No artifacts on gpu. My ram sticks have gone bad, they apparently only last around 5 years. The benchmark also proved similar to other rigs with similar parts. Though sometimes, for whatever reason, when I close the power tab for my CPU in HWMonitor, it pops back up again. If I close it again, it won't do it again, afterwards.

[Andrius227]

I have personally experienced stuttering in some games when i tried running them on 5400rpm drive. And it went away when i moved the games to 7200rpm hdd.

[upcoast]

Things that might cause stuttering.

Windows Power Options are set to balanced, set to High Performance.

8GB system ram isn't enough, rma your dead ram if it has lifetime warranty or buy more ram if it doesn't.

15 sec boot up is good enough, 8 programs running in your at boot or in the hidden icon box is too many 2-3 is more acceptable, I have 2. The short of it the more you have running the more likely you might have stutter in games.

HDD 5400rpm it depends on which one Seagate 4TB Barracuda 5400rpm is actually a fast drive but a WD 2TB green 5400rpm is total trash for gaming. HDDs range in speed like a WD 4TB black is not as quick as a seagate 3TB 7200rpm or Toshiba 3TB 7200rpm. Run HDTune and see what your 5400 rpm drive is and what read speed and Ms (access time) is.

If you have weird behavior in programs start with a simple DDU gpu driver clean out and reinstall, if you want to redo windows use the RESET feature and don't save any files, back them up though if you have anything important on C drive because they won't be there when you're done resetting win 10.

But personally imho if you've only got 8GB ram now Dying Light and Just Cause 3 will run like crap.

You've also got to think about when your 32GB system ram was working properly and you were playing these games off the 5400rpm hdd did they stutter then?

[Yukari The Alpaca]

Escrito originalmente por upcoast:

Things that might cause stuttering.

Windows Power Options are set to balanced, set to High Performance.

8GB system ram isn't enough, rma your dead ram if it has lifetime warranty or buy more ram if it doesn't.

15 sec boot up is good enough, 8 programs running in your at boot or in the hidden icon box is too many 2-3 is more acceptable, I have 2. The short of it the more you have running the more likely you might have stutter in games.

HDD 5400rpm it depends on which one Seagate 4TB Barracuda 5400rpm is actually a fast drive but a WD 2TB green 5400rpm is total trash for gaming. HDDs range in speed like a WD 4TB black is not as quick as a seagate 3TB 7200rpm or Toshiba 3TB 7200rpm. Run HDTune and see what your 5400 rpm drive is and what read speed and Ms (access time) is.

If you have weird behavior in programs start with a simple DDU gpu driver clean out and reinstall, if you want to redo windows use the RESET feature and don't save any files, back them up though if you have anything important on C drive because they won't be there when you're done resetting win 10.

But personally imho if you've only got 8GB ram now Dying Light and Just Cause 3 will run like crap.

You've also got to think about when your 32GB system ram was working properly and you were playing these games off the 5400rpm hdd did they stutter then?

This was happening as far back as I can remember. Even when I had 32GB of ram. The thing leading me more towards that it's the HDD is the fact of how long it takes to install things now. I know for a fact it's not my download speed. It takes ages to allocate data from steam. I'm running prefer performance in windows power options. I have a 2TB Kingston 5400rpm drive. I have partitioned the drive once, and have owned it and had it under constant use for about 5 years now.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Power Options has zero to do with how any of what you speak of works.
All that does is change how CPU and/or GPU can function, from a power usage stand-point.

Get an SSD for your OS and a 7200rpm HDD or SSHD for running Games off of.
If you can, get a like 500GB SSD and put some games on that which benefit, course not all really will. 5400rpm drives are more for general file storage needs. Never really should be used for OS or Games.

[upcoast]

If it's been stuttering since day one then ya more than likely that model of 5400rpm hdd ( I didn't even think Kingston made HDDs) you've already got your os on an ssd so sure your options are a 3-6TB HDD or 500GB ssd for your game drive.

I don't get Prefer Performance all I see in Power Options is Power Saver / Balanced / High Performance. Contrary to Bad Motha's analogy Power Options has a big impact on game performance ie CSGO is unplayable for me if it's left on Power Saver or Balanced same with JC3.

FYI, I played the same JC3 and DL on my crap FX8350/x4 965BE 1080p PCs with 7200rpm hdds and don't stutter, I put a 240GB ssd on the FX8350 PC for OS and still use the economical Toshiba 3TB 7200rpm for game drive with no stutter.

Ps, The WD blacks aren't always better do your research although the wd 6TB black is one of the best hdds available but the 1/2/4TB no big deal there're faster for cheaper other 3TB 7200rpm drives. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71023-western-digital-black-6tb-hdd-review-7.html

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Escrito originalmente por upcoast:

I don't get Prefer Performance all I see in Power Options is Power Saver / Balanced / High Performance. Contrary to Bad Motha's analogy Power Options has a big impact on game performance ie CSGO is unplayable for me if it's left on Power Saver or Balanced same with JC3.

I meant with regards to just Drive performance.

Of course you put the system on "High Performance" for Gaming or just anything
demanding, that is a must to do that.

Just like setting NVIDIA Control Panel to Prefer Max Performance

[Yukari The Alpaca]

Alright, I have ordered two new parts. WD Black 6TB and 32GB of ddr3 2400mhz ram. I will tell you guys if the issue still persists. Keep in mind that the stuttering only happens in certain games. I am pretty convinced it is the HDD but I can't be certain. We will see, I guess.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I wouldn't use such a large drive as a C Drive; if you do, custom partition it off so you have an OS partition seperately. This way should you need to wipe OS you can wipe just that OS partition and not the entire drive.

Best bet is an SSD + HDD
32GB RAM isn't going to really help with basic things if you already have 16GB, which is plenty for RAM.

It's also not going to help if the RAM slots on Mobo are faulty.