AMD Ryzen

[wah007]

Continued from the "AMD new horizon event" thread.

Please discuss and post any new information here regarding the upcoming AMD Ryzen CPUs and AM4 motherboards.

Thanks

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

S-UK Keefy a écrit :

It has totally messed up my fan settings now. the fan constantly ramps up and down because the temperature is still wrong, 56C at idle. Think I will roll back to 502.

JayzTwoCents sit at 44-45 degrees with his pretty massive water-cooling system with the 1800X on stock idle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I71ov8iiDP8
(And upwards 85 degrees with 4.1 GHz 1.45 volt OC .. No, not F.)

MossyRathalos a écrit :

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

A format would clear the content on it and prefer a file-system, it may need to have a FAT32 rather than NTFS file-system. FAT32 is what Windows used before.

Turns out my USB is 2.0 and won't work with W10. Oh well.

Would it just be easier to get the new Krait board and be done with it? It's guaranteed to be on the latest BIOS update.

2.0 doesn't matter. It's just slower. Of course it work with Windows 10? No? I don't know what content you have on it but the standard file-system for external memories used to be FAT32 including for things like cameras and such. Now exFAT exist too but I guess you can see where that come and Windows 10 most definitely is ok with that too. There's also the chance a USB stick could be formatted NTFS but of course Windows read that too.

Apple products don't usually have memory card slots but if they did they could had used HFS which is what Macintosh computers use but I don't know if they really would.

Personally I just wouldn't worry about BIOS updates at all. You do what you feel is right for you :)

[rSinik]

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

Now exFAT exist too

Apple products don't usually have memory card slots but if they did they could had used HFS which is what Macintosh computers use but I don't know if they really would.

exFAT was since 2006... so when you say "now it exist too" kinda refers to a most recent release.

And almost every Apple PC/laptop has a memory card slot/USB port, but I don't know why you even go off topic about Apple computers when this has 0 to none to do with Windows 10 and AMD motherboards.

All he has to do is format his USB to FAT32, plug it in the BIOS FLASH port if he has one on the mobo and then flash the board. Or as suggested do it on desktop with ASUS utility or whichever app does flashing.

[SHREDDER]

Since they will have it on 28 march it must have ll latest bios already installed and not need another bios update. This bios update is or the ram to work on 3200 mhz, right? Then for what reason would another bios udpate needed?

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Wrench a écrit :

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

Now exFAT exist too

Apple products don't usually have memory card slots but if they did they could had used HFS which is what Macintosh computers use but I don't know if they really would.

exFAT was since 2006... so when you say "now it exist too" kinda refers to a most recent release.

And almost every Apple PC/laptop has a memory card slot/USB port, but I don't know why you even go off topic about Apple computers when this has 0 to none to do with Windows 10 and AMD motherboards.

All he has to do is format his USB to FAT32, plug it in the BIOS FLASH port if he has one on the mobo and then flash the board. Or as suggested do it on desktop with ASUS utility or whichever app does flashing.

I'm born 1979, the original FAT is from 1977, FAT12 1980, FAT16 1984 with Microsoft MS-DOS 3.0 and IBM PC-DOS 3.0, FAT32 with MS-DOS 7.1 and Windows 95 OSR2 in 1996.

So if you consider FAT is 40 years old and the last FAT32 showing up 21 years ago.. well..

NTFS v1.0 showed up 1993 with Windows NT 3.1 and ended up in the consumer/mainstream versions with v3.1 in Windows XP in 2001.

I don't know when exFAT started to become used on a wider scale but the years move fast for me and for me 2006 is later than 1993 for NTFS which is a newer filesystem than the 1977-1996 years of FAT up until FAT32 so for me (and well, everyone else, though it may not be "now" for someone 10 or 5 years old ..) it's much more recent than both NTFS and FAT.

FAT was an inferior file-system but was used because it was the standard and things worked with it. NTFS is a better filesystem. exFAT at-least isn't the old FAT and can store DVD image files and other large video files without a problem. For some of us if nothing else not being able to store a whole DVD image / archive of the content of a DVD was reason enough to make the switch over to NTFS.

The reason I went off-topic was because we talked about file-systems not about Ryzen.
Of course Apple PCs have USB-slots and maybe they do have card-slots, I don't really care, Apple computers is more or less irrelevant and close to no-one cares about them. Too many smartphones lack memory card slots and I've got the impression that Apple in their eternal wisdom of crippling and over-pricing the options people want to maximize profit don't include MicroSD-card slots on their phones and tablets but rather want to sell you the 128 GB built in storage version for a much higher cost than what a 128 GB card would cost.
The point was that as far as I know Apple iPhones and iPads doesn't use external cards and if they did I assume they would use exFAT even though they are Apple products but that would had been the specific point where one could see ANYONE not going with one of the Microsoft related filesystems. For ~any other memory card it would be FAT, exFAT or possibly NTFS formatted and hence be compatible with Windows 10. Which also was what he was talking about and hence relevant for his post even though it haven't got anything to do with Ryzen except him wanting to possibly understand how to upgrade the BIOS/EFI for a Ryzen-compatible motherboard.

Edit: For whomever cares with Microsoft releases since those likely matter the most:
1977 FAT
1984 FAT16 and MS-DOS 3.0.
1993 NTFS and NT 3.1.
1996 FAT32 and Windows 95 OSR2.
2001 NTFS with Windows XP (also Windows 2000 in 2000.)
2006 exFAT (At first Embedded Windows CE 6.0, also supported in XP SP2, Server 2003 SP2, Vista SP1 and later, Windows 7, 8, 10, Server 2008, Linux via FUSE driver, since OS X 10.6.5 and on some Android devices.)

Maybe his USB 2.0 stick could be unusable by Windows 10 if it use some encryption which require additional drivers to be installed? Otherwise I don't see why Windows 10 wouldn't support it.

SHREDDER a écrit :

Since they will have it on 28 march it must have ll latest bios already installed and not need another bios update. This bios update is or the ram to work on 3200 mhz, right? Then for what reason would another bios udpate needed?

As is the memory modules which run well at higher clock frequencies are those with Samsung B-dies. There are other RAM manufacturers and preferably you want as wide support as you can have for RAM so chances are they will try to improve RAM compatibility further still.
I assume not all 3200 MHz RAM (at that speed, at the standard 2133 MHz speed maybe) will work for now.

[pasa]

MossyRathalos a écrit :

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

What's the problem with updating it yourself?

I have no clue how to do that. I hear it's difficult and can damage your storage.

In the last 2 decades it's a next-next-finish trivial procedure, only make sure not to disconnect power until it says so. In the last 10-15 years it can recover even from that kind of failure.

[rSinik]

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

SHREDDER a écrit :

Since they will have it on 28 march it must have ll latest bios already installed and not need another bios update. This bios update is or the ram to work on 3200 mhz, right? Then for what reason would another bios udpate needed?

As is the memory modules which run well at higher clock frequencies are those with Samsung B-dies. There are other RAM manufacturers and preferably you want as wide support as you can have for RAM so chances are they will try to improve RAM compatibility further still.
I assume not all 3200 MHz RAM (at that speed, at the standard 2133 MHz speed maybe) will work for now.

I wouldn't even go for 3200 MHz atm. Id go for 2993 and wait a month or few updates later with stability improvements for RAMs, mobos and CPU itself. It is the dummest thing ever to do on the newest technology to go off to full speeds from day 1.

[Mossy Snake]

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MossyRathalos a écrit :

Turns out my USB is 2.0 and won't work with W10. Oh well.

Would it just be easier to get the new Krait board and be done with it? It's guaranteed to be on the latest BIOS update.

2.0 doesn't matter. It's just slower. Of course it work with Windows 10? No? I don't know what content you have on it but the standard file-system for external memories used to be FAT32 including for things like cameras and such. Now exFAT exist too but I guess you can see where that come and Windows 10 most definitely is ok with that too. There's also the chance a USB stick could be formatted NTFS but of course Windows read that too.

Apple products don't usually have memory card slots but if they did they could had used HFS which is what Macintosh computers use but I don't know if they really would.

Personally I just wouldn't worry about BIOS updates at all. You do what you feel is right for you :)

It says on the box that it doesn't support anything higher than Windows 8. Its a few years old, so that's not surprising.

[wah007]

For whoever wants to know, My 1700X sits at 36-37C @ 3700mhz idle. This is on the Prime X370 Pro motherboard with voltage 1.19375 and LLC level 1. Cooler Noctua NH-D15.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

Wrench a écrit :

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

As is the memory modules which run well at higher clock frequencies are those with Samsung B-dies. There are other RAM manufacturers and preferably you want as wide support as you can have for RAM so chances are they will try to improve RAM compatibility further still.
I assume not all 3200 MHz RAM (at that speed, at the standard 2133 MHz speed maybe) will work for now.

I wouldn't even go for 3200 MHz atm. Id go for 2993 and wait a month or few updates later with stability improvements for RAMs, mobos and CPU itself. It is the dummest thing ever to do on the newest technology to go off to full speeds from day 1.

Are you speaking about RAM spec or BIOS/EFI settings?
If one want fast RAM it's of course better to buy the fast RAM now rather than something slower and buying twice. Well, assuming it work at all.
3600 MHz Tridentz RAM work on Crosshair VI it seem, 3200 MHz Tridentz I assume also work as do the Fortis I suppose.

MossyRathalos a écrit :

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

2.0 doesn't matter. It's just slower. Of course it work with Windows 10? No? I don't know what content you have on it but the standard file-system for external memories used to be FAT32 including for things like cameras and such. Now exFAT exist too but I guess you can see where that come and Windows 10 most definitely is ok with that too. There's also the chance a USB stick could be formatted NTFS but of course Windows read that too.

Apple products don't usually have memory card slots but if they did they could had used HFS which is what Macintosh computers use but I don't know if they really would.

Personally I just wouldn't worry about BIOS updates at all. You do what you feel is right for you :)

It says on the box that it doesn't support anything higher than Windows 8. Its a few years old, so that's not surprising.

I think it will work just fine if you connect it.

As for the BIOS/EFI Windows isn't even running at that stage so it's irrelevant then anyway.

I know some USB memory stocks / cards have whatever form of encryption on them, but a normal USB storage device with a common file format will work with Windows 10.

wah007 a écrit :

For whoever wants to know, My 1700X sits at 36-37C @ 3700mhz idle. This is on the Prime X370 Pro motherboard with voltage 1.19375 and LLC level 1. Cooler Noctua NH-D15.

Yeah, I saw someone had very low voltage with the Ryzen 7 1700. If one overclock that to 3.9 GHz for instance is anything near 1.40 volt required with that one?
Like, if Ryzen 7 1700 could do 3.9 GHz at 1.35 volt and Ryzen 7 1800X 4.1 GHz at 1.45 volt I kinda would feel the Ryzen 7 somehow felt like ... at-least a good choice =P

[Astraea Kisaragi]

Whats the highest RAM frequency Ryzen 5 will support without OC? It is worthy to buy higher as 2400 Mhz if I dont plan to OC?

[rSinik]

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

Are you speaking about RAM spec or BIOS/EFI settings?

BIOS settings. That I would rather wait for OC memory for now and wait for more RAM stability improvements etc.

Astraea Kisaragi a écrit :

Whats the highest RAM frequency Ryzen 5 will support without OC? It is worthy to buy higher as 2400 Mhz if I dont plan to OC?

No one can tell you this before CPU is actually out.
Yes and no. It doesn't matter if you buy 3000 MHz the normal speed will be always 2133 MHz. You will have to use and XMP or DOC profile or manual OC to get the speeds that RAM can give you.

For example 16GB 3200 MHz CL14 it will be 2133MHz as a default, but then you can OC it to it's tested speeds with tested CL speeds.

If you buy 16GB 2400 MHz CL8 it will still run at 2133 MHz but thing is, you wont be able to OC it to 3200 MHz without issues, as that would be a pretty big jump for such a small MHz memory and your clock speeds would go high up.

Go for bigger MHz and lower CL if possible.

[Mossy Snake]

What do you think the 1600X will OC to? I'd say 4.3Ghz at the very least since it has less cores, but who knows.
It may not even be necessary since early synthetic benchmarks (disabling cores on an 1800X) show it being equal to or better than a 4.8Ghz i5-7600k. (The testing was done by Techspot, and a similar test was done by LinusTechTips with near identical results)

[ILKA]

Just use an Intel I5 for goodness sake, so far, the Cores are better, sure, if you want to go AMD, go ahead, but dont complain when you never use 8 cores, if you want SOLELY for gaming, just get an I5 6500/7500 or I5 6600K/7600K

[WorkingLikeADog]

It's too hot. You can't overclock it like they said. All the mother boards shipped with a bad Bios. Windows 10 is having to update just to let them work, and they don't document it in the patch. It's weird because at the demos in Jan, and in Feb they rocked. It's like something in the industry is fighting them. There is only 1 liquid cooling mount, that just now came out...? Companies don't way to play nice. :( I do believe it is rocking the industry and something good will come out of it, but it's not fair what they are doing to them.

[Der Hexer]

Etnopluralism / Aliquis a écrit :

S-UK Keefy a écrit :

It has totally messed up my fan settings now. the fan constantly ramps up and down because the temperature is still wrong, 56C at idle. Think I will roll back to 502.

JayzTwoCents sit at 44-45 degrees with his pretty massive water-cooling system with the 1800X on stock idle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I71ov8iiDP8
(And upwards 85 degrees with 4.1 GHz 1.45 volt OC .. No, not F.)

MossyRathalos a écrit :

Turns out my USB is 2.0 and won't work with W10. Oh well.

Would it just be easier to get the new Krait board and be done with it? It's guaranteed to be on the latest BIOS update.

2.0 doesn't matter. It's just slower. Of course it work with Windows 10? No? I don't know what content you have on it but the standard file-system for external memories used to be FAT32 including for things like cameras and such. Now exFAT exist too but I guess you can see where that come and Windows 10 most definitely is ok with that too. There's also the chance a USB stick could be formatted NTFS but of course Windows read that too.

Apple products don't usually have memory card slots but if they did they could had used HFS which is what Macintosh computers use but I don't know if they really would.

Personally I just wouldn't worry about BIOS updates at all. You do what you feel is right for you :)

AMD already explained that the Ryzen 7 1800x and 1700x is showing +20°C above the real temp. and afaik only the Ryzen 7 1700 doesn't show %real-temp% +20°C