AMD Ryzen

[wah007]

Continued from the "AMD new horizon event" thread.

Please discuss and post any new information here regarding the upcoming AMD Ryzen CPUs and AM4 motherboards.

Thanks

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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AussieBobby님이 먼저 게시:

Windows 10 Game Mode could be great for AMD Ryzen processors
http://www.nag.co.za/2017/03/10/windows-10-game-mode-could-be-great-for-amd-ryzen-processors/

Windows just need two things to improve the performance.

It need to handle Ryzen 7 as two separate processors with four cores each to limit moving threads between the CCXs blocks and ruining cache performance. Windows support multiple processors.

It also need to know and treat the second thread on each core as a lesser performing one.

That is pointless because many Games refuse to do any usage when a 2nd or more physical CPU is present. Now the Pros to this are; if viewed as 2 separate 4 Core CPUs; this should mean better multitasking all around; cause you'd have 4 Cores for OS & Apps + 4 Cores for just Game

But to have the OS always view a single CPU this way, LOL never gonna happen.

Look AMD is fine as-is, sure some fixes and tweaks need to occur, however this will happen over time. AMD is currently working side by side in everyday communications with over 1000+ Game Devs to help the game devs optimize their products so users can get the most out of their Ryzen config.

We still need BIOS updates to move faster, but judging by previous Boards that come out, this does happen; typically over the course of 6-12 months; pretty much anything that needs to be done for BIOS updates, occurs in this period, at the latest. And they usually trickle out BIOS updates; optimizing features, CPU, RAM... over time. Boards are pretty much dead in the water as far as support goes after 12-24 months though anyways. As with regards to them getting further updates.

Win10 however, not a huge issue here. We see it is more with the actual games now than the OS itself. As some games actually do very well and are on par in games with say i5-7600K or i7-7700K just fine.

There is still that debate where; if you are a 1080p gamer and you don't care about better expensive monitors (like a CSGO Gamer / Streamer type) then you want the Intel, sure. It just does better at 1080p right now. But that again comes down to optimizations as far as why RyZen is doing poorly in some games at 1080p. So we'll just have to wait and see. Still you don't need to go towards an i7 or R7 for 1080p gaming anyways; cause an expensive GPU like a 1070 or 1080; would just go about 50% un-used when playing at 1080p anyways.

So if you are a 1080p Gamer who's on a lower budget but wants the most bang for buck for 1080p gaming; then i5 or R5 is probably the better route for you. Along with RX 480 4GB or 8GB. For one the 480 are cheaper and better in that price range, and you did want to step up to say 1440p/144Hz, 2x 480 8GB GPUs can do that with ease. Even 4K (2160p) in alot of games as well w/ 2x 480 8GB

[Bad 💀 Motha]

S-UK Keefy님이 먼저 게시:

In the "trunk" of my car at scan.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=881530757

Got to wait for the Noctua mounting kit so its all useless until then :(

No, I have ASUS Boards here, they are drilled for both AM4 and AM3
I needed no extra mounting hardware BS

[Squirrell]

SHREDDER님이 먼저 게시:

AussieBobby님이 먼저 게시:

Windows 10 Game Mode could be great for AMD Ryzen processors
http://www.nag.co.za/2017/03/10/windows-10-game-mode-could-be-great-for-amd-ryzen-processors/

iF I understand this correctly game mode will make evry game uses all cpu cores no matter if the game is programmed to use only 4 cores . Right? So evry6 and 8 core cpu will be fully used while in game mode no matter what game we play. Right?

No. Windows uses all cores now. Game mode will allow cores to be reserved for the game.

Will it help? Until the details are released it is anyone's guess. I think the purpose is to balance or prioritize the load when running several apps, not fix the amd/win10 SMT issue.

(The ability to allocate cpu resources to apps has been in business computers for 50 years. So this should be nothing new for MIcrosoft.).

If the solution (game mode) is to load more onto fewer cores, then that isn't a great solution for amd. Might as well buy an i7.

(The problem seems to be related to Windows swapping program threads between cpu threads. In theory this shouldn't be an issue as many powerful cpu's have anywhere from 4 to 16 threads per core. More threads is good. IBM's fastest cpu's use its own SMT with 8 threads per core. So SMT should work without issue on a 2 thread cpu. The answer is to fix it rather than implement a workaround.)

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Game Mode? Is that a new feature in Win10?
Not sure why I don't know about this yet...

[AussieBobby]

Bad-Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Game Mode? Is that a new feature in Win10?
Not sure why I don't know about this yet...

Xbox will get it first Ill bet.
I think its the same as PS4s game boost,but all it did as far as I can tell is,boost your expectations that your getting more than 30fps

[Bad 💀 Motha]

What do Consoles have to do with any of this?

Those already run well as-is with regards to XboxOne-S and PS4-PRO

[AussieBobby]

Bad-Motha님이 먼저 게시:

What do Consoles have to do with any of this?

Those already run well as-is with regards to XboxOne-S and PS4-PRO

From link that gave me that impression

"At GDC 2017, Xbox Advanced Technology Group’s Eric Walston explained to developers how Game Mode actually functions. "

[Elon Mosque]

Game mode is not a thing that people should keep their hopes on. I have seen some comparisons and difference is barely 3fps between​ on and off.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Windows OS should not need a Gaming Mode; if you have good specs; the OS should utilize those well. If not, then the OS just needs more kinks worked out.

[SHREDDER]

game mode will improve perfomance on evry pc no matter how good it is or not. But of course if you have a ryzen and a 1080 ti you will not need it because a pc like that already runs evrything maxed 4k but even on this pc game mode perfomance might be enough to make the few games that cant run at contrast 4k 60 fps ulra settings to run while it is enables. However the best solution will always be upgrading cpu and gpu each 3 or 4 years like i and most pc gamers do!

[Elon Mosque]

The thing is it's nothing different than the "game boosters" out there which kills processes for gaming and it's just made from windows now.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

SHREDDER님이 먼저 게시:

game mode will improve perfomance on evry pc no matter how good it is or not. But of course if you have a ryzen and a 1080 ti you will not need it because a pc like that already runs evrything maxed 4k but even on this pc game mode perfomance might be enough to make the few games that cant run at contrast 4k 60 fps ulra settings to run while it is enables. However the best solution will always be upgrading cpu and gpu each 3 or 4 years like i and most pc gamers do!

You are kidding yourself if you think it would help.

You have the Hardware + OS + Apps/Games
The hardware is only as good as the drivers & software; and what games and such allow for generally (their optimization). A game mode would be nothing more than say bypassing Explorer Shell and loading directly into Steam BigPictureMode for example; even still, that really is not going to boost your game performance if the hardware is lacking in certain key areas.

[GTsimms]

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S-UK Keefy님이 먼저 게시:

In the "trunk" of my car at scan.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=881530757

Got to wait for the Noctua mounting kit so its all useless until then :(

No, I have ASUS Boards here, they are drilled for both AM4 and AM3
I needed no extra mounting hardware BS

Really, after the reports of it being changed. So, I can start my fx replacement Monday with the current AM3 bracket?

[rSinik]

GTsimms님이 먼저 게시:

So, I can start my fx replacement Monday with the current AM3 bracket?

Not sure if every new AM4 board has the drillings but ASUS boards have a place for AM3 and AM4, so you can use your AM3 cooler on it. PS. just the cooler not CPU on AM4 socket.

[Mr Keefy]

You guys serious? Is it true? I know the Asus Crosshair VI has both AM3 and AM4 mounts but didn't think the lower end versions did.

Will have to check this out.