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I am assuming that both Vega and Volta release this year. Both release at least two cards that will eclipse the current archectures at launch, and that the Titan X doesn't just magically vanish. That alone would be the top five right there, and let us be honest the incentive exists to throw an even bigger card out there at the tail end of the year for each side.
That right there would place any possible 1080ti at the eight spot, and at that point if either series or both series for that matter are significantly better. Not all that far fetched really given that they should both have substantially better memory. Well the possibility would certainly seem to exist that a fight for the top ten could ensue.
This is exactly why I am arguing that there is no place for this card in this market. Anything as expensive as this card ought to be. Absolutely needs to have some kind of grace period, and to make matters worse new hardware means old hardware gets a price cut. Such a card would be shackled, because it cannot go on immediate heavy discount. Meaning that older cards running in tandem would most certainly run riot. I mean which would you rather have.
A single GTX 1080ti, or twin GTX 1080s. Well given that combined they positively destroy a Titan X what hope would the 1080ti, and with newer hardware forcing price cuts. Well you may well be able to get two of them for the price of a 1080ti, and probably for less if you buy used from the latest and greatest crowd.
Like I said previously this isn't like previous generations. You can't necessarily apply the very same logic here that you would there. We probably arent even going to get a year between the launch of Pascal and the launch of Vega. There is realistically only so much that Nvidia can crunch into a given time frame.
I mean look right now on Amazon, look at the price of a Titan Pascal selling for £1,799......
A GTX 1080 selling for £600..... I could get 3 1080's and have way better performance than 1 reference Titan. Settled.
Titan's are £1100 direct from Nvidia only and you certainly do notice the difference over a 1080 which is 25% in many cases when you get up to ultrawide and 4K
On Amazon right now........ https://www.amazon.co.uk/NVIDIA-GeForce-Pascal-GDDR5X-900-1G611-2500-000/dp/B01JLKP3IS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483791332&sr=8-1&keywords=titan+pascal ....... You could buy 3 1080's for that price, but it wouldn't be nessary since 2 1080's would destroy the Titan and the money left over could go on another upgrade.
Have a look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg5QhQPswEg
At 4K, sli 1080's have like 30-40 fps more than a Titan Pascal. That's massive value for money. How anyone who has a Titan can say the Titan is worth it with a straight face is clearly lying through their teeth.
With a single 1080, It isn't 25%, that's what Nvidia claims. In reality it's more like 10%, 15% if you're lucky.
Low end in half a year. Lol.
Thus, it pretty obvious that future AMD products will be lower than existing competitors models. So, only reason to wait for Vega is to see something like Pascal refresh and lower prices from NVidia.
Lets look at numbers:
RX 480 @ 1266 MHz - 5834 GFLOOPS
GTX 1060 6GB @ 1709 MHz - 3855 GFLOPS
I.e. AMD graphics has 51.3% more theoretical peak performance. But in real-life applications GTX 1060 has 12% better performance.
Why is that? Because theoretical peak perfomance is namely... theoretical. That is purely calculated number - number of compute cores * freq * 2. Why we multiply by 2? Because every core can make at most 2 float ops per cycle - fused add multiply.
So, if we'd load all GPU cores with only FMA instructions, AMD will win. But not in real life.
Its hihly unlikely that we will see something different with Vega. It based on the same GCN architecture. It was really good, if you compare it with previous VLIW 5/4, but that was a long ago...
I suspect that you already know this, but I suppose it does require repeating. There is more then one metric as far as performance is concerned. Right now we don't even know how much ram these cards are going to have. Yet another metric as far as performance is concerned. We will just have to wait and see if Vega is as groundbreaking as advertised.
Personally as with most things I think the truth is going to be somewhere in the middle. In other words not quite the quantum leap some would have hoped for, but a significant enough leap over the competition to remove any doubts. Which frankly enough is as it should be given that this is most likely going to be hitting the market the better part of a year later.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what the revamped redesign is going to bring. Hopefully something a good bit better then what is currently available at affordable prices. It would be very good for the market if the competition were to heat up. I think most of us already assume that Nvidia has been price gouging due to the lack of competition.
Luv experts who talk about kit they don't own.
I went GTX980 > Titan X > GTX1080 > Titan X(P) on the same rig so am well aware how they all perform relative to each other.
Because someone chooses to buy titans and resell them on amazon for silly money to idiots doesn't change the fact they are from NVidia direct and £1100.
Why would I spend that... because I can and because by the time its superseded I'll probably have enjoyed nearly a years worth of premium gaming rather than ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it as I got it day 1 Aug 1st.
3rd option wait for Volta.
I would find it doubtful Nvidia would release anything today. Now if Nvidia has already manufactured and are ready to put on shelves 1080ti then unless they made only a small quantity and want to scrap it it might still see the light of day at some point. In my opinion this would make sense as a counter to releasing AMD Vega.
Amds Vega is rumored to be maybe about 20%ish better performance than what Nvidia has out now. Depending on real-world numbers the 1080ti may can take that lead from them then they may release it then or if it at least matches.
The couple other variables go against that though. One being Volta has been sped up to where I would think we would have some more details at GTC in April and maybe a release at SC 7 in Nevada in November. So I think a third option for you is to wait on Volta because they will want to take back the lead from AMD which will only last about 6 to 8 months. Then there is Nintendo switch event next week to make things better for Nvidia followed shortly by earnings reports Feb 15. Lastly Nvidia is not just a PC gaming company anymore, and on that note they hold 60 to 80% of the market so they don't need to be very aggressive. CES was a big demo of their Ai in general and specifically ai cars more than anything. That's where all the revenue is skyrocketing up from so they can sit back and relax and enjoy all their profits. there's no pressure to release anything to PC gaming other than a courtesy to people who are reaching for the best. They're playing the long game and AMD if they don't pull off a big one with Vega might get swallowed up.their debt to revenue ratio is terrible and their R&D Department is dwindling. Nvidia just watching it all and laughing knowing their time is coming and about to be a golden age for their company
You don't need to be an expert to know a reference Titan is waste of money.... benchmarks tell people that!
Stay in denial all you want and keep coming back like a baby talking utter crap, it makes me laugh.
"premium gaming" PMSL a Titan Pascal is like 10% better, 15% if you're lucky. I suggest you look at some benchmarks.
" Why should I spend that... because I can" You're one of those who buys a Titan to make up for something else in life aren't you, all you do is brag about it in posts and try to belittle people with 1080's and such.
You pick the wrong guy with me if you think I don't have a Titan because I can't afford one.
I can buy as many Titans I like since I have my own company, but I'm not an idiot who wastes money.
You are incorrect on the percentages. The Titan XP is indeed 25% + faster than the 1080 when it comes to higher resolutions.
Here are a multitude of benchmarks. Look at the 2K and especially the 4K results.
http://www.babeltechreviews.com/titan-x-vs-gtx-1080-25-games-tested-4k-2k-1440p/3/
Another:
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Titan-X-Pascal-12GB-Graphics-Card-Review/Grand-Theft-Auto-V-0
SLI is a waste of money and support is the worst I have seen in years. It's as if the tech has just come out. Nearly every major game launched with problems and many still face issues with SLI. Even games like Battlefield 1 with the obnoxious flickering if you run dual GPU.
That went into my decision of not buying two 1080's. With DX12 growing bigger and dual GPU usage becoming entirely dev dependant (due to DX12) it will completely die off.
To me personally I would rather buy the Titan XP and save myself the headaches that comes with a dual GPU setup these days. If you think I am lying through my teeth so be it lol. People wouldn't buy it if they didn't think it was worth it.
PS: Support for more than 2 GPU's is virtually dead. Just wanted to throw that out their since you mentioned 3 :)
Why am I not surprised with your comment? Another Titan owner defending his daft decision.
Those benchmarks are against a stock reference 1080, so 20% - 25% not very impressive when you consider the price difference. For that price difference, I would want 50% or at the most 70% difference. That's why SLI 1080's is worth it over a reference Titan that gets very hot with just a single fan, and a very dull looking design that says "Geforce GTX" at the side, so you pay all that money for a dull looking card inside case lol. My EVGA is lit up nice and tells me what beast it is ;
That's really funny you say "SLI 1080's are a waste of money" HAHAHA that doesn't make sense coming from sombody who's wasted more money on a Titan with much worse performance.
I had SLI 780 Ti's back in 2013 when the 780 Ti was the best gpu on the planet, and every game I had worked fine in SLI. You just sound butt hurt cause you know SLI 1080's is much better, it's just stupid pride you have not admitting you overpaid and trying SO hard to justify why a Titan is worth it.
Here's another ownage video of SLi 1080's and even SLi 980 Ti has joined in the owning a Titan Pascal HAHAHA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoN7A8sNyX0
What's the price of SLi 980 Ti's these days? Exactly my point.
Case closed. Dismissed.