SSD lasts how loooooooong??

[Charlie]

I am a gamer (obviously because im on steam) and i game probably 4-6 hours a day. So i was wondering with an ssd how long it would last? And also the publisbers say the ssd's max read/write capacity. But how much read capacity in GB does it take to open windows or open a 30 GB game? How long before needing to copy the data to another ssd if you dont wanna lose it??

[Roujiamo 南蛮主义者]

1) very long, better than hard drives as they have no moving parts.

2)not much, a few MB. An ssd will have no problem loading Windows 10 in a quarter of the time of a mid range 7200 rpm hard drive.

[Andrius227]

Modern ssd's last a very long time.

I have an old Samsung 840 EVO which has a TBW of 75TB (thats how much can be writen to it). I used this drive for over 2 years as my main OS and gaming drive. And over that time i used up 32TB (I see that on the official Samsung Magician program). Thats less than half of it's data.

New Samsung 850 EVO ssd's have doubled the endurance. 500gb-1TB models have warranty for 150TBW or 5 years, whichever comes first. Which is a lot. Would last most casual gamers like a decade, probably.

You could also go hardcore and get a 2TB Samsung 850, which has 300TBW endurance. That badboy would probably last you a lifetime, or at least survive through like 5 pc builds... I got one of those dedicated for my steam library because im crazy

[Bad 💀 Motha]

For most SSDs, they will outlast traditional HDD by many years.
You'd basically have to rip through as much data as the full SSD capacity on a weekly basis to really impact it in a harsh manner.

Overall, if there is any fears of using them, there shouldn't be.
Especially since a mechanical drive has the ability to pretty much go up in smoke and/or just run into mechanical issues at any time.

Sure any electronics could, but this is more likely to happen to a mechanical HDD type versus others, like any SSD types.

[-=SOF=-WID99]

i also have an older samsung evo 840 500 gig drive in my laptop
its been nearly filled and formated several times and still shows 100 % remaning life
according to several SSD testing tools, including samsung magician , open hardware monitor
and also crystal disk and SSD life (bought the drive 3 yrs ago )

if ya need testing tools see this page
http://mashtips.com/ssd-health-test-and-performance-monitor-tools/

also when ya go all SSD you'll be amazed how much faster your system responds , boots and loads things ..if ya can afford to go all SSD ..DO IT !

i got two in my main rig (240 gig PNY drives one for my operating system + one for games ) and plan to buy buy a 1 tb one soon to replace my WD blue HDD that i dump other crap on ..so i can fill it with the rest of my steam library and get fast load times with everything

and yes the privce ya pay may be steep to go all SSD VS HDD ..but the performance benifit = worth it in the long run ..plus most modern SSD drives yes do last alot longer as others have pointed out ..just make sure you install them correctly ..and set any bios settings properly ..

you should never need to defrag an SSD drive (another plus )
since they support trim ..but you may wish to check with your motherboard manual and set the bios up correctly so they do work properly

[oobymach]

Minimum 3000 writes, all depends on the ssd. 3000 writes can be used in as little as a year for example internet cache if you use it for 8hrs a day can wind up going bad, so your drive could have bad sectors if it's used for example for virtual memory, that area of the drive can go bad where the rest of the drive is fine.

If you have a second ssd just for games it should last a long time.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

oobymach eredeti hozzászólása:

Minimum 3000 writes, all depends on the ssd. 3000 writes can be used in as little as a year for example internet cache if you use it for 8hrs a day can wind up going bad, so your drive could have bad sectors if it's used for example for virtual memory, that area of the drive can go bad where the rest of the drive is fine.

If you have a second ssd just for games it should last a long time.

This is based on what? Which is BS by the way. And it depends on many many factors.
For one it can depend on the type of flash chips and controller that is used.

I have many SSD already dating back to 2010/2011 that are used everyday, as the OS is on them. Zero issues with corruption, performance depredations or % hit to the life wear.

[oobymach]

BMGaming eredeti hozzászólása:

This is based on what? Which is BS by the way. And it depends on many many factors.
For one it can depend on the type of flash chips and controller that is used.

I have many SSD already dating back to 2010/2011 that are used everyday, as the OS is on them. Zero issues with corruption, performance depredations or % hit to the life wear.

*SIGH*

"Today's commodity 2D MLC flash has raw wear-out in the 2,000 to 3,000 write cycle range."

Which = 3000 write cycles per block.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

oobymach eredeti hozzászólása:

BMGaming eredeti hozzászólása:

This is based on what? Which is BS by the way. And it depends on many many factors.
For one it can depend on the type of flash chips and controller that is used.

I have many SSD already dating back to 2010/2011 that are used everyday, as the OS is on them. Zero issues with corruption, performance depredations or % hit to the life wear.

*SIGH*

"Today's commodity 2D MLC flash has raw wear-out in the 2,000 to 3,000 write cycle range."

Which = 3000 write cycles per block.

Yea I asked where is that info come from? That's years old...

Current SSDs can be written to millions of times.

[Revelene]

Gotta love it when old information sticks around.

Older technologies are worse than new technologies, obviously. People look at these newer SSDs, yet they read up on information from older SSD technology.

If you get a modern SSD, it'll last longer than any HDD.

Side note: If you have kids, an SSD will definitely outlive an HDD.

[oobymach]

*SIGH*

Re: Samsung 850

"It's a TLC+Simulated SLC hybrid rated for about 3k writes, so ~750TB on average before cell degradation occurs."
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2807584/number-writes-evo-850-fails.html

3000 writes = 3000 write cycles per block.

Why would you think that number magically got better? Because they changed the way sd drive life is perceived by giving large grand totals? 3000 write cycles is all you get with 90% of ssd drives and usb flash drives.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

oobymach eredeti hozzászólása:

*SIGH*

Re: Samsung 850

"It's a TLC+Simulated SLC hybrid rated for about 3k writes, so ~750TB on average before cell degradation occurs."
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2807584/number-writes-evo-850-fails.html

3000 writes = 3000 write cycles per block.

Why would you think that number magically got better? Because they changed the way sd drive life is perceived by giving large grand totals? 3000 write cycles is all you get with 90% of ssd drives and usb flash drives.

I think you don't even understand what the heck you are even reading...

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2807584/number-writes-evo-850-fails.html eredeti hozzászólása:

so i bought samsung evo 850 250gb and I have written so far 0.22 terabytes in the last 4 days, so what is the maximum data writes before it fails plz???


It's a TLC+Simulated SLC hybrid rated for about 3k writes, so ~750TB on average before cell degradation occurs.

However, USAFRet has it somewhat backwords. The SSD is likely to die due to controller/firmware faults or a secondary component failing on the PCB before it experiences NAND degradation.
The reality is that consumer SSD's have 0-5-2% annual failure rates during their warranty period and they rise exponentially after that just like with hard disks.

This is on par with hard drive failure rates 10 years ago, so the 50th percentile for SSD failure is probably between 5-7 years. if you continue to write to the drive at the rate you listed you should reach 750TB in 3500 days or about 10 years.
In other words, more likely than not this drive will fail with in 5-10 years of use regardless of what loads it's under.

USAFRet is right though about the capcity of the drive requiring you to upgrade within that time though. SSD's under 1TB will become obsolete in 5-10 years for sure.

The average user will never come anywhere near this many writes before the warranty actually expires.

[oobymach]

*SIIIIGH*

Drive lifetimes are given now in bytes rather than writes because stupid people are easily deceived when told different information like gigantic numbers instead of numbers they can easily understand.

If a 240gb drive has a 700tb lifetime then divide lifetime by drive size and you get? 3000 writes drive life

If a 480gb drive has a 1.2pb lifetime then divide lifetime by drive size and you get? 3000 writes per block, do you even brain bro?

1tb drive has 2.4pb lifetime, guess what that equals? 2400 writes, am I getting through to you or you still think that nand flash memory somehow magically evolved like a pokemon or some ♥♥♥♥?

http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead

Now they're listing drives with mttf of like 2 million hours, which means if the drive sat there and was never used it would last 2 million hours. That's 228 years. So as long as you never use it your ssd will outlive you, your children, your grandchildren, and their children, and their children and so on and so on. But yeah, 3000 writes is all you get, deal with it.

[Revelene]

Older SSDs had a higher failure rate due to reasons other than writes. They had inherent issues on a hardware level. More modern drives are less susceptible to the same failures.

Oobymach, I understand your outlook on the matter... but have you even considered lifetimes relative to a hard disk? Even put mechanical error into your opinion? Anything else?

There are just so many factors that you seem to be overlooking and are focusing primarily on writes.

Are you completely against SSDs or something? Have a vendetta against them? Your dad was an HDD, right? Joking aside, while your point is valid.. it is narrow. Compared to a hard disk, the advantages are more than worth the cost for many users. Most users consider 5+ years to be time for an upgrade anyways. I know I won't have the same drives in my main gaming PC, regardless if they still work or not. Heck, I won't even have any of the same hardware. They'll simply get labeled as 'experimental' drives for fun, like I do with all my older hardware that I don't sell off.

[Lord Flashheart]

I have my games on a hard drive. It is cached using 2 old 60 GB SSDs in raid 0. So its about 110 GB cache up to 1GB/s read speeds. I run them hard. I use primocache to do it. If one fails it is no big deal.

[oobymach]

Revelene eredeti hozzászólása:

Older SSDs had a higher failure rate due to reasons other than writes. They had inherent issues on a hardware level. More modern drives are less susceptible to the same failures.

Oobymach, I understand your outlook on the matter... but have you even considered lifetimes relative to a hard disk? Even put mechanical error into your opinion? Anything else?

There are just so many factors that you seem to be overlooking and are focusing primarily on writes.

Are you completely against SSDs or something? Have a vendetta against them? Your dad was an HDD, right? Joking aside, while your point is valid.. it is narrow. Compared to a hard disk, the advantages are more than worth the cost for many users. Most users consider 5+ years to be time for an upgrade anyways. I know I won't have the same drives in my main gaming PC, regardless if they still work or not. Heck, I won't even have any of the same hardware. They'll simply get labeled as 'experimental' drives for fun, like I do with all my older hardware that I don't sell off.

I have 2 ssd's, one developed bad sectors after a year of heavy daily use so I cloned it and erased it and now it's my game drive, gets written to very little compared with the main drive where temp folders live. I am not against ssd drives by any means, just want people to know that they haven't changed the technology, they've changed the label, kind of like what intel did with kaby lake, clock the sky lake a bit higher and change the label.