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https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5n4ifi/my_sleeper_dell_optiplex_3020/
I'm not sure whether I go for this build or an overall.
Recommendation ?
Alright but I also ran into some issue but the Hardware and Operating System Sub Forums are really kind and helpful people.
Everytime there will be something new and you may or may not have whats compatible with this. Save the money and buy a whole machine at once. As a professional technician I have seen plenty of clients try that process. It always ends in disappointment. Just save the money and get it all at once.
Howeber with a less demanding graphics card assuming it fit in the case and can get adequate power from the PSU it already have ..
2. Get a new power supply, at least 500w
(https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01C3FFLZ8/?tag=pcp0f-21) thats a good 550w model
Do you have the large or small form factor there? If the slim one use a riser it could maybe hold a normal graphics card otherwise not, the fatter is more likely to be able to hold it.
http://www.dell.com/support/article/se/sv/sebsdt1/SLN152041/optiplex--graphics-card-options--discrete-video-?lang=EN#OptiPlex_3020
"NOTE: MT supports full height (FH) cards while DT and SFF support low profile (LP) cards."
As for whatever the BIOS / whatever support any graphics card I guess is a different story too.
The PSU doesn't have PCI-express power connectors:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-OptiPlex-3020-7020-9020-Precision-T1700-290w-Power-Supply-L290EM-01-HYV3H-/262007164649
So.. any graphics card using such is a no-go as is regardless.
1050Ti doesn't use additional power connectors, use 75 watt and is ok with 300 watt power-supply so that's the best you can use assuming it actually fit.
If you've got the large case you can possibly have one 1050Ti in it as long as you get one which doesn't use additional PCI-express power connectors and as long as the BIOS / whatever is ok with that.
The 3020 is available as minitower, small form factor and micro, do you know which one you have?
"Intel® 4th generation Core™ i5 Quad Core (84W for MT & SFF, 35W for micro), Core™ i3 Dual Core,
Pentium® Dual Core and Celeron® Dual Core (65W for MT & SFF, 35W for Micro)"
You can't have the micro considering what CPU you have. Hopefully it's the MT.
"Expansion Slots 1 full height PCIe x16
3 full height PCIe x1" = MT
"1 half height PCIe x16
1 half height PCIe x1" = SFF
http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/016489CD8467390A86256FF5005A92D2
"PCI Type Dimensions (mm) Dimensions (in)
Full-Length PCI Card 107 mm (height) X 312 mm (long) 4.21 in (height) X 12.28 in (long)
Half-Length PCI Card 106.68 mm (height) X 175.26 mm (long) 4.2 in (height) X 6.9 in (long)
Low-Profile/ Slim PCI Card 64.41 mm (height) X 119.91 mm (long) to
64.41 mm (height) X 167.64 mm (long) 2.54 in (height) X 4.72 in (long) to 2.54 in (height) X 6.59 in (long)"
I don't know if a card like this fits:
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-4GT-LP.html
http://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N105TOC-4GL
If so that's the best you can connect without changing something else.
If the motherboard is a Micro-ATX one and you can get adapters for a normal ATX PSU then you could get a normal Micro-ATX case and a normal ATX power-supply if you wanted to upgrade that to be able to handle a more powerful graphics card.
If it's not then if you got a different case, PSU and motherboard you could still plug in the same CPU and most likely RAM and storage.
I assume the LP cards above fit just fine, seem like they use both half-length and low profile words for it but hopefully they mean the same. If you have the mini-tower then it's even less relevant.
Thank you, I think that's what I'm looking to do
How much is the 1060 compared to the 970/980 please ?
http://www.dell.com/se/foretag/p/optiplex-3020-desktop/pd
Do you have the large or small form factor there? If the slim one use a riser it could maybe hold a normal graphics card otherwise not, the fatter is more likely to be able to hold it.
http://www.dell.com/support/article/se/sv/sebsdt1/SLN152041/optiplex--graphics-card-options--discrete-video-?lang=EN#OptiPlex_3020
"NOTE: MT supports full height (FH) cards while DT and SFF support low profile (LP) cards."
As for whatever the BIOS / whatever support any graphics card I guess is a different story too.
The PSU doesn't have PCI-express power connectors:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-OptiPlex-3020-7020-9020-Precision-T1700-290w-Power-Supply-L290EM-01-HYV3H-/262007164649
So.. any graphics card using such is a no-go as is regardless.
1050Ti doesn't use additional power connectors, use 75 watt and is ok with 300 watt power-supply so that's the best you can use assuming it actually fit.
If you've got the large case you can possibly have one 1050Ti in it as long as you get one which doesn't use additional PCI-express power connectors and as long as the BIOS / whatever is ok with that.
The 3020 is available as minitower, small form factor and micro, do you know which one you have?
"Intel® 4th generation Core™ i5 Quad Core (84W for MT & SFF, 35W for micro), Core™ i3 Dual Core,
Pentium® Dual Core and Celeron® Dual Core (65W for MT & SFF, 35W for Micro)"
You can't have the micro considering what CPU you have. Hopefully it's the MT.
"Expansion Slots 1 full height PCIe x16
3 full height PCIe x1" = MT
"1 half height PCIe x16
1 half height PCIe x1" = SFF
http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/016489CD8467390A86256FF5005A92D2
"PCI Type Dimensions (mm) Dimensions (in)
Full-Length PCI Card 107 mm (height) X 312 mm (long) 4.21 in (height) X 12.28 in (long)
Half-Length PCI Card 106.68 mm (height) X 175.26 mm (long) 4.2 in (height) X 6.9 in (long)
Low-Profile/ Slim PCI Card 64.41 mm (height) X 119.91 mm (long) to
64.41 mm (height) X 167.64 mm (long) 2.54 in (height) X 4.72 in (long) to 2.54 in (height) X 6.59 in (long)"
I don't know if a card like this fits:
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-4GT-LP.html
http://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N105TOC-4GL
If so that's the best you can connect without changing something else.
If the motherboard is a Micro-ATX one and you can get adapters for a normal ATX PSU then you could get a normal Micro-ATX case and a normal ATX power-supply if you wanted to upgrade that to be able to handle a more powerful graphics card.
If it's not then if you got a different case, PSU and motherboard you could still plug in the same CPU and most likely RAM and storage.
I assume the LP cards above fit just fine, seem like they use both half-length and low profile words for it but hopefully they mean the same. If you have the mini-tower then it's even less relevant. [/quote]
Thank you for the worked answer but I might be leaning on a new CASE which also means a new MOTHERBOARD and definitely gonna change the PSU, just need to know if my processor would "fit" in any good MOTHERBOARD and which GPU I should be getting.
Do you have the fatter tower or not? Maybe you could take a photo of it?
GTX 970 is old and seem to sit at $200 and up on Newegg.
Refurbished GTX 980 from $330.
3 GB GTX 1060 for $190, 6 GB for $240.
The GTX 1060 however require a 6 pin PCI-express power connector something your PSU doesn't have so it won't work as is.
GTX 1050Ti cost $140.
GTX 1050Ti ~2 gflops
3 GB 1060 closer to 4.
6 GB above 4.
So the 1060 is about twice as fast as the 1050Ti and doesn't cost much more in the case of the 3 GB model so if the PSU supported it it would be the better purchase.
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/t/19630660
In the minitower a normal ATX PSU may fit and with that you supposedly can use this adapter:
https://www.moddiy.com/products/Dell-OptiPlex-3020-PSU-Main-Power-24%252dPin-to-8%252dPin-Adapter-Cable-(30cm).html
So if you have the minitower you could get a different power supply, such a cable and the GTX 1060 I guess. Dell doesn't recommend a more powerful PSU in the case and their PSU is a good 90% efficiency unit but in this case it it likely is ok if you get a quality PSU because the GTX 1060 supposedly only need a 300 watt PSU so even if you ended up buying a say 500 watt quality PSU the processor and graphics card won't use more power than the ~300 the original one was capable of anyway.
If you don't have the mini-tower though full height graphics cards won't fit.
Maybe these will fit: https://www.techpowerup.com/224042/zotac-intros-the-super-compact-geforce-gtx-1060-series
... but the ATX PSU I guess won't fit anyway and then you won't have power for that graphics card.
In this case maybe it would be better to buy things locally so you can return them if they are the wrong size for the case or if the motherboard doesn't let you use the graphics card. Or make sure you got such permissions from wherever you buy it.
This is where I'm at:
*OS: Windows 10 Pro
Case: Thermaltake Versa H15/Corsair 270R ATX Mid Tower
PSU: EVGA 430W/500W
Motherboard: Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151
*Processor: Intel Core i5-4590 3.30GHz
*Memory: DDR3 8GB x2 @ 1600 Mhz
GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti/1060/1070
SDD: Kingston 120GB
HDD: Western Digital 1TB
*Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Chroma
*Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Chroma
* Already owned
Can you guys give me any suggestions for like the MOTHERBOARD and the GPU or even other things please ?
Edit: After a little bit of research, http://imgur.com/a/SnPu0
Doing that upgrade to me only make sense if you want the 1060 or the 1070 and not the GTX 1050Ti because I assume you can already hook up the GTX 1050Ti with what you have without replacing anything else.
If you move ahead and upgrade and mostly just keep the processor (and the RAM it seem, Windows 10 Pro I don't know if it can follow onto a new motherboard but maybe it can, how come it run Pro? You bought it separately yourself?) what about having put something like a G3528 into the old machine and sell that as such for someone else? As in keeping it functional and sellable?
It's not a terrible idea to buy a socket 1150 motherboard so I'm not really against that but since you're upgrading so much in the machine of course selling the innards as is and simply buying with a new CPU and RAM would also be an alternative. As in a completely new computer and let the one you have remain intact.
If you've bought Windows 10 Pro and the Dell came with something else (or maybe it was an option which was put onto it?) and if the license follow your Microsoft Live account then maybe you could use it on a new machine too and have 10 Home or whatever the PC came with on it if you sold it. The Razer gear and maybe the SSD or HDD you could bring to the new computer.
The 1050Ti isn't terrible but you're i5 can do better. Also you've spend money on expensive gaming accessories so maybe you feel like you want a graphics cards which match up.
The GTX 1060/1070 upgrade depending on motherboard, PSU and possibly case upgrade if that's where you want to go is what it is. However if you actually have the MiniTower case something I haven't got a reply to you still could just use an ATX PSU and the adapter cable and your old motherboard and don't have to buy all those things except the more powerful ATX PSU with PCI-express power connector and the adapter cable to the Dell motherboard.
_IF_ you where to sell the machine you have and buy a new one then for ultra 1080p gaming on the GTX 1060 it may not matter all that much if you have a G4560 or i5 processor and because of that you could possibly had saved ~$150 by going with the G4560 instead which is inferior and will be worse at some time / with a batter graphics card / at lower graphics settings if that made the upgrade easier. The G4560 is a worse processor than the i5 4590 but I talk here about if the old machine would had been sold as is. To buy a new i5 cost some money. On the other hand the processors doesn't lose money used as crazy and you could of course had bought a newer or a similar i5 used too.
I suggest you figure out what case you actually have to begin with.
You should then decide whatever you want the 1050Ti which you can already have and which will cost you very little or if you have the mini-tower atleast if you want the 1060 just change the PSU and maybe that could even be done for the 1070 too though the case maybe should have more air flow then, maybe you could hack in some extra case fan there somehow. Or if you don't have the minitower think over whatever you still want something like the GTX 1060 or higher even if that mean the extra cost of not only graphics card and PSU but also motherboard and in the case you suggest case or alternatively sell what you have and put together a more standard component system for that purpose.
1050Ti: You can likely have it in the machine you already have.
1060: With the minitower you can eventually upgrade PSU and get the power cable converter cable and use that.
Anything else: Larger upgrade or sell and start from scratch with the stuff you'd really want.
Can you take a photo of your case?
1050Ti won't be GTX 970 or better so I guess that maybe shouldn't really count.
So then the question become:
Do you have the MiniTower and hence would ATX PSU + adapter cable + GTX 1060 be enough or would you require to upgrade more things?
I don't know if the SFF or Micro case computers can be equipped to be able to hold the GTX 1060.
Also I have no idea whatever the motherboard / BIOS itself support the GTX 10 series or not. Maybe Dell knows. Or you'll just have to try.
Thanks for the reply, I live in a small island so almost all "Free International Shipping" on amazon is equal to a $50+ shipping price. My friend just found a shop where the hardware isn't as expensive as other shops so I'll have to accommodate my build to the availability of hardware.
https://www.facebook.com/fjariltech/
After a bit of research:
- I'll probably pick an EVGA 500w
- I still don't know which Motherboard, CPU and CPU Cooler I'll buy (knowing that I'll probably upgrade my CPU too)
- I'll probably transfer the 8GBx2 of RAM I have on my current build
- I'll probably pick a case coming from the Facebook page above
- I'll probably take a Western Digital 1TB Hard Drive
P.S: Windows 10 shouldn't be an issue, don't worry about it. I got a trick up my sleeves.
Your CPU is pretty fine though and it's not wrong together with a GTX 1060 / RX 480.
For the latest processors DDR3 isn't used any longer and hence you can't bring the RAM to that.
And as said I think there's little value in gutting the old machine and then maybe do nothing with it and save some on parts that way vs selling it and getting whatever you want instead whatever used or new since you'd at least get the full value out of the old system that way.
However still if you have the mini-tower version for the GTX 1050Ti you likely just need the graphics card. For the GTX 1060 you likely just need ATX PSU and the adapter cable. If you have a different case than the mini-tower version or want a more powerful card than the GTX 1060 then the rest of the discussion make more sense. The GTX 1060 however _IS_ a better card than the GTX 970. The GTX 1050Ti isn't.