Is The FX-9590 and GTX 970 a Good Pairing?

[Honey]

I have recently bought a FX-6300 with a motherboard and cooler and a GTX 970, but after realising the FX-6300 is low end and would be a heavy bottlenecker for my GPU I decided to sell it and buy a FX-9590 which I'm still waiting for the Ryzen R5 and R3 line ups to come out and lower the price of the FX-9590. But I'm just wondering if the FX-9590 would be a big bottleneck still for my GTX 970 because i have heard mixed things. Thanks.

[upcoast]

HoneyTree původně napsal:

MossyRathalos původně napsal:

Get a Pentium G460 or a Skylake i5-6400.

Or wait for a Ryzen quad-core

Well like I said I already have the motherboard, the pentium will be less powerful than the FX 9590 and the i5 has fewer cores. And the same goes for the 4 core Ryzen CPUs. I already have the motherboard and they have fewer cores, and they will drop the price of the FX-9590

You keep going back to the 9590 but you need to have a good mobo that'll support 220w properly assuming you actually have one of those motherboards you're still faced with the need of a good hsf usually a top end closed loop AIO because 220w is hard to cool.

[Honey]

MossyRathalos původně napsal:

HoneyTree původně napsal:

Well like I said I already have the motherboard, the pentium will be less powerful than the FX 9590 and the i5 has fewer cores. And the same goes for the 4 core Ryzen CPUs. I already have the motherboard and they have fewer cores, and they will drop the price of the FX-9590

The amount of cores doesn't always matter. It's the clockspeed, TDP, and IPC. The FX-9590 has a very low IPC and a very high TDP.

Also the FX chips got AMD in trouble since they're not even proper 8-cores: They're dual or quad cores split up into "mini" cores, which explains the IPC problem (Look it up. AMD got sued for it when the FX series first launched)

Listen. If the 9590 not been a true 8 core is legit then I am tempted to get a Ryzen R5 instead. Are you 100% sure they aren't true 8 cores. And also aren't Am4 motherboard insanely expansive. The cheapest I could find one was for £100

[shiel]

HoneyTree původně napsal:

MossyRathalos původně napsal:

The amount of cores doesn't always matter. It's the clockspeed, TDP, and IPC. The FX-9590 has a very low IPC and a very high TDP.

Also the FX chips got AMD in trouble since they're not even proper 8-cores: They're dual or quad cores split up into "mini" cores, which explains the IPC problem (Look it up. AMD got sued for it when the FX series first launched)

Listen. If the 9590 not been a true 8 core is legit then I am tempted to get a Ryzen R5 instead. Are you 100% sure they aren't true 8 cores. And also aren't Am4 motherboard insanely expansive. The cheapest I could find one was for £100

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-fx-9590-8-core-cpu-review_190566/8
Notice the i3 dominating the 9590 in gaming performance.

[Honey]

shiel původně napsal:

HoneyTree původně napsal:

Listen. If the 9590 not been a true 8 core is legit then I am tempted to get a Ryzen R5 instead. Are you 100% sure they aren't true 8 cores. And also aren't Am4 motherboard insanely expansive. The cheapest I could find one was for £100

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-fx-9590-8-core-cpu-review_190566/8
Notice the i3 dominating the 9590 in gaming performance.

Notice the i3 being priced at £30 more

Which don't get me wrong £30 doesn't sound like a lot, but when you are on a budget and there is a million more powerful options than what you are getting it is easy for you to say "I'll pay £30 more for a more powerful CPU" but then if you pay £30 more than that it's even more powerful and then there's £30 more than that. And you have to budget yourself

[shiel]

HoneyTree původně napsal:

shiel původně napsal:

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-fx-9590-8-core-cpu-review_190566/8
Notice the i3 dominating the 9590 in gaming performance.

Which don't get me wrong £30 doesn't sound like a lot, but when you are on a budget and there is a million more powerful options than what you are getting it is easy for you to say "I'll pay £30 more for a more powerful CPU" but then if you pay £30 more than that it's even more powerful and then there's £30 more than that. And you have to budget yourself

I agree about budgeting but then you factor in power consumption plus the fact you'd be able to upgrade without basically making an entirely new build (a LOT more money overall) and the i3 is actually the more budget conscious approach.

[Honey]

shiel původně napsal:

HoneyTree původně napsal:

Which don't get me wrong £30 doesn't sound like a lot, but when you are on a budget and there is a million more powerful options than what you are getting it is easy for you to say "I'll pay £30 more for a more powerful CPU" but then if you pay £30 more than that it's even more powerful and then there's £30 more than that. And you have to budget yourself

I agree about budgeting but then you factor in power consumption plus the fact you'd be able to upgrade without basically making an entirely new build (a LOT more money overall) and the i3 is actually the more budget conscious approach.

Well I appreciate the insight, I think I'll see what Ryzen R5 has to offer, thanks man.

[ericcui1]

HoneyTree původně napsal:

Astraea Kisaragi původně napsal:

Assuming Ryzen comes out in a few weeks, purchasing a older AMD CPU is a general waste of money. Should feature much lower power consumption and much better single core performance, which where main weaknesses before.

You may say they are a waste of money, but price to performance is alright with them, the FX-9590 performs like a 4th gen i7 in games. And it has double the cores. Plus Ryzen may seem good and it is, but the R7 lineup is £300 with the cheapest option. Obviously if I'm buying a FX-9590 which is priced at £170 and will drop in the next few weeks. I don't want to spend £300 on a CPU. And then another £100 on a new Am4 Motherboard

Actually, the FX9590 runs slower then a 4th gen i5, in some games, even slower then a i3. The power consumption and cooling is also problemic. You probably need a new power suppily and a new CPU cooler, so, the overall price may not be cheap after all.
If you do not want to buy a Ryzen 7, then wait a few months and buy a Ryzen 5.

[Revelene]

I find it rather odd that the OP does not seem to understand, nor acknowledge the fact that the 9590 will require a higher end motherboard and beefy cooler. Not only do you need this to get baseline performance, but also to avoid a fire. You need a motherboard that can handle 220w properly.

I also find it funny that someone in 2017 still believes that FX cores are equal to modern Intel cores. Not all cores are created equally. Have a look at the architecture of the FX series, and anyone with half a knowledge on hardware will understand why they don't perform all that great.

Sure, getting FX cpus under budget used to be a viable option at one point in time.. But it is 2017, about 6 years since the FX series was released. They have not aged well and Ryzen is right around the corner. From what information we have so far, it looks like they no longer are sharing cache and pipelines (this is a good thing). Wait for benchmarks. I'd say even the cheaper 4 core options would be better than any FX series cpu.

If you don't have the money to get a new motherboard, and do not have the income to be able to save up for a decent, more modern setup (though, where would your money to buy games come from?... I digress.) then I suppose a FX 8xxx would be a viable option, though you still need a decent motherboard to handle the power draw.

What motherboard do you have? If you have a weak motherboard, then you'd have to upgrade it for a better CPU, regardless.

[Fluffy]

i would not go with fx 9590 i would oc the fx-6300 for now BUT a 3770k is a very big upgrade from it and makes no sense that some are saying dont go with 3770k go with skylake/kaby lake i3 when the 3770k is much faster for a more wide variety of games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0
3770k is close to 6700k or 4790k in some games its identical with titan x oc (all cpus at 4.4ghz to distinguish per core performance)

[shiel]

Fluffy původně napsal:

i would not go with fx 9590 i would oc the fx-6300 for now BUT a 3770k is a very big upgrade from it and makes no sense that some are saying dont go with 3770k go with skylake/kaby lake i3 when the 3770k is much faster for a more wide variety of games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0
3770k is close to 6700k or 4790k in some games its identical with titan x oc (all cpus at 4.4ghz to distinguish per core performance)

He was just using the 3770k as a comparison...not to say that it was between the two.

[Fluffy]

shiel původně napsal:

HoneyTree původně napsal:

Also you could say the same thing about the i7 3770k

I would never recommend getting a 3rd Gen i7 either.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

HoneyTree původně napsal:

I have recently bought a FX-6300 with a motherboard and cooler and a GTX 970, but after realising the FX-6300 is low end and would be a heavy bottlenecker for my GPU I decided to sell it and buy a FX-9590 which I'm still waiting for the Ryzen R5 and R3 line ups to come out and lower the price of the FX-9590. But I'm just wondering if the FX-9590 would be a big bottleneck still for my GTX 970 because i have heard mixed things. Thanks.

Opions on the FX processors seem to vary a bit. Some make the claims they are fine. Maybe it's not too bad relative a GTX 970?

Have you already sold your FX-6300 or not?
If you haven't the situation is what it is and I don't know how happy you'd be with another FX processor, the major problem with the FX processors is the / core performance and not the complete performance of the whole processor and the 8 cores may not have all that much better cores anyway. I don't know if the FX series can really get lower prices either since they are likely manufactured at a very high cost and sold at a very low price already. I doubt AMD will want to make any more of those if they can make something else which they can. So I wouldn't hope for much there. Of course buying Intel or Ryzen is a solution but then you'd need to change motherboard and RAM.
If you haven't sold it already then I guess I'd suggest you used it for as long as you thought it was ok and then upgraded (or got Ryzen 5 or whatever if you wanted to upgrade now anyway.)
If you've already sold your FX-6300 then I assume there's plenty of 8 core FX processors available used and will be even more which you could get.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCq8Qk9wjY
FX-6300 vs i7 6700K with GTX 970
GTA V: FX-6300 0-45% worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPtNOb43_Fs
FX-6300 vs i5 4430
I'm too tired to watch through all the games.
As some others have said I don't think the FX-9000 may necessarily help all that much, may be better to overclock the FX-6300 and get as much performance out from it as possible. If you want a better core/IPC performance then there's Intel or Ryzen.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

MossyRathalos původně napsal:

HoneyTree původně napsal:

Well if you're on a budget then it's a good option. What would you recommend then? For someone who wants to pay £200 at the most.

Get a Pentium G460 or a Skylake i5-6400.

Or wait for a Ryzen quad-core

G3528 or G4460 isn't something one should get today. The one to get is the G4560 but that's not necessarily better than his FX-6300. It's the cheapest Intel have on offer.

[shiel]

Fluffy původně napsal:

shiel původně napsal:

I would never recommend getting a 3rd Gen i7 either.

Yes, I know what I said... I was referring to buying one new and making an entire build around it(like he wants to do with the 9590). You also get into potential compatability issues with z77 mobos as they may not have updated drivers for Win 10. Not to mention the fact that it's quite hard to find a z77 mobo.

All of this is irrelevant though, as him getting a 3770k was never even a thing. My point was don't buy into dead end technology. I wasn't even recommending the i3, I was showing that it outperformed the 9590 and was better bang for his buck than that. He's already said he would wait for Ryzen so he'll have to go from there and make his own decision.