VenpaCasa 2017 年 2 月 13 日 下午 1:10
Broken fx 8320 or bottleneck?
hey guys i just upgraded to a Zotac Geforce GTX 1070 amp extreme edition and i am still getting 960 performance on most my games. Even pretty old ones. i ran a benchmark that tells me my cpu is running at 2.3ghz but its actually OC'd to 4.2ghz. im still pretty new to all this plz help

Edit/Update

I replaced my Mobo with a 970a-ud3p and got a mid tower case but i am still getting bad performance.

Tl,dr my cpu is being throttled for some odd reason during high load
Latest Benchmark notice the turbo is way lower than the core speed http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/2996711
最后由 VenpaCasa 编辑于; 2017 年 3 月 4 日 上午 2:52
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VenpaCasa 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 5:22 
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
kk yeah thats fine
sweet, i hope thats alll i need for now. I just spent money on a Graphics card MoBo and case.....
VenpaCasa 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 5:35 
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
Clean off the old paste on the CPU and the Cooler with rubbing alcohol, just put a little on a paper towel and clean it off

add a small dab of thermal paste onto the CPU and spread it evenly across the whole CPU with an old credit card or something similar. just enough so that the CPU is covered when you spread it.
when i apply the paste to the cpu should it be installed on the MOBO? or should i be holding it like a piece of bread n butter?
[☥] - CJ - 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 5:37 
while its installed.
最后由 [☥] - CJ - 编辑于; 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 5:37
VenpaCasa 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 5:57 
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
while its installed.
thx i also found a guide on how to
Bad 💀 Motha 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 6:26 
> Install better CPU Cooler; even a cheap tower cooler w/ 120mm fan could keep any FX-8 or lower model CPU below 60*C easily.
> Install more/better Case Fans, and more of them for better overall airflow.
> Disable Cool & Quiet and C1E; along with all the power saving/sleep options.
> Set Windows to High Performance and leave it there.
> Right now you are running too hot, so common sense says, don't OC it, period.
> Replace the thermal paste every 1-2 years, or as needed based on max temps. If the max temp is rising over time with the same cooling and average room temp; chances are it's time to replace the paste. Both CPU and HeatSink surface should be cleaned and have basically a mirror finish when you go to replace your paste. If you are not cleaning off the old paste, then you just wasted time & money doing it at all.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 6:27
VenpaCasa 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 8:30 
引用自 Bad-Motha
> Install better CPU Cooler; even a cheap tower cooler w/ 120mm fan could keep any FX-8 or lower model CPU below 60*C easily.
> Install more/better Case Fans, and more of them for better overall airflow.
> Disable Cool & Quiet and C1E; along with all the power saving/sleep options.
> Set Windows to High Performance and leave it there.
> Right now you are running too hot, so common sense says, don't OC it, period.
> Replace the thermal paste every 1-2 years, or as needed based on max temps. If the max temp is rising over time with the same cooling and average room temp; chances are it's time to replace the paste. Both CPU and HeatSink surface should be cleaned and have basically a mirror finish when you go to replace your paste. If you are not cleaning off the old paste, then you just wasted time & money doing it at all.
ok good to know. like i said above ill be getting the paste soon.

on a side note what should i do in the mean while? keep the pc off?
upcoast 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 8:34 
引用自 VenpaCasa
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
while its installed.
thx i also found a guide on how to

Which method , the fine X or the grain of rice size?

When I use artic silver 5 for amd cpus I like the fine X stopping 1/4" from each corner of the cpu.

Ps, if the cpu is running 78c I'd stop using it until you get the paste, consider getting a cm 212evo hsf some time in the future because the paste alone won't drop your temps 20c you'll need a new hsf to see that kind of drop.

The stock amd hsf on a good day at stock volts can only cool the cpu to around 55-58c under load.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2655&page=4

212evo ^ does a fair enough job with amd 125w cpus.
最后由 upcoast 编辑于; 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 8:42
Bad 💀 Motha 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 8:35 
Well if heat is the issue (as it clearly seems to be right now)
Best bet is Disable/Revert any OC, Disable AMD Turbo, and leave AMD Cool & Quiet Enabled > Set Windows Power Options to Balanced (as High Performance might force full clocks all the time; which is why its better for Gaming) and this should help keep temps lower; at least for every-day OS usage needs for the time being.

What CPU Cooler are you using? Those typically already come with Paste for multiple use needs.

When the paste is sort of thin, the pea-size should work fine.
But when it is a very thick paste (like AS3 or AS5) yea try the X method.
However, when you do the X method, DO NOT have any of the paste already near the edges; give yourself a good 1-inch gap between paste and edge of CPU; so that when the HSF Cooler is installed, the paste doesn't go over-flowing over the edges.

Clean both CPU and HSF Cooler surfaces with Rubbing Alcohol or eye-glass cleaner.
Leave the CPU in the socket when you clean it, to avoid touching/bending pins.
Avoid getting any paste on the Motherboard. If you get it on your hands, clean it off, to avoid transferring it to other things you touch, like your PC Parts, etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2MEAnZ3swQ
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 8:42
VenpaCasa 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 8:41 
引用自 upcoast
引用自 VenpaCasa
thx i also found a guide on how to

Which method , the fine X or the grain of rice size?

When I use artic silver 5 for amd cpus I like the fine X stopping 1/4" from each corner of the cpu.
i havent read it yet


引用自 Bad-Motha
Well if heat is the issue (as it clearly seems to be right now)
Best bet is Disable/Revert any OC, Disable AMD Turbo, and leave AMD Cool & Quiet Enabled > Set Windows Power Options to Balanced (as High Performance might force full clocks all the time; which is why its better for Gaming) and this should help keep temps lower; at least for every-day OS usage needs for the time being.

What CPU Cooler are you using? Those typically already come with Paste for multiple use needs.
im using stock cooler (i know dont kill me but ive had it for years with no issue)
Bad 💀 Motha 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 8:45 
The AMD Stock Coolers; especially with any FX-8 series (except the newer Wraith Cooler) are just barely enough to keep the CPU from overheating; and that is with good Case Airflow

Just ditch it. It's like $20-30 for a Hyper-212-EVO which should have you maybe hitting 45*C under full loads; again, with decent overall Case Airflow.

When case airflow is lacking; all your parts run hotter and hotter the longer you apply high system loads; cause there is the lack of cool air intake and hot air exhaust.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 8:45
VenpaCasa 2017 年 3 月 4 日 下午 9:18 
I hit my max on funds for my pc unfortunately. 30 bucks is out of my reach for the time being. As i mentioned i got a new graphics card new mobo n a new case in persuit of 60fps gameplay......
引用自 VenpaCasa
On high load its at 76c to 78c. Could my dumb ass skipping on thermal paste (havent added any in a long while) be the problem? (Just a random thought)
You should have some but you unlikely need to replace it all the time. Maybe 76-78C is high enough to make it throttle though. My Phenom X4 9850 peak at ~60 I think with the slight over-clock and NH-U12 cooler. If you have had something like the CoolerMaster EVO 212 it would had been better than the stock cooler and it seem like they too make free upgrade kits for that to AM4 just like Noctua offer.

Since you've changed motherboard I assume you've taken apart cooler and processor and then put it together again and that's unlikely optimal but I don't know how much difference it actually make.

引用自 VenpaCasa
Yes ive OC'd on my original build back before i changed into a mATX
Did it work fine before the mATX board?

引用自 VenpaCasa
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
Well..

when you change to a different motherboard, or change coolers you're supposed to clean off the old paste and apply some new paste..

But if ur using a stock cooler that in itself could be the problem as well.
thing is even if i dont OC the CPU is getting hot and throttling to 2.5ghz.... should i try thermal paste b4 a new cooler? my cousin's pc has the same cpu/cooler and runs fine
If it wasn't for all the VRM and motherboard which don't work well talk (say an Intel machine instead) I would definitely had gone with the cooler suggesting at first. Maybe more (where it's been pushed of) / proper application of a thermal compound will make a bit of difference but I still think a large cooler even if you just put it back like you've done now would make more of a difference really. But of course you could try if you have some thermal compound.

引用自 ☥ - CJ -
Clean off the old paste on the CPU and the Cooler with rubbing alcohol, just put a little on a paper towel and clean it off

add a small dab of thermal paste onto the CPU and spread it evenly across the whole CPU with an old credit card or something similar. just enough so that the CPU is covered when you spread it.
Or coffee filter.

Plenty of people would suggest to just add something in the middle the size of a rice grain or pea instead and let the preasure from the cooler sort the rest out. Some others would make a small x on it instead to make it flow out better into the corners too rather than into a circle.

引用自 VenpaCasa
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
Clean off the old paste on the CPU and the Cooler with rubbing alcohol, just put a little on a paper towel and clean it off

add a small dab of thermal paste onto the CPU and spread it evenly across the whole CPU with an old credit card or something similar. just enough so that the CPU is covered when you spread it.
Okay cool i went shopping around but no one had thermal paste in store so i had to go thru amazon. I will be receiving it this coming week. Will report back when i do.

Will the paste even make a 20 degree difference?
Can a virus cause this?
I don't think it will make 20 degree difference.
Maybe 5 or something.
Getting an EVO 212 maybe would had made .. 15 degrees? 20? Noctua NH-D15 20? 25? I don't know.
I would had gone with the cooler since you could reuse it for any other build anyway, it would had given better results and it would come with thermal compound itself so you would had saved the money on buying some. (Noctua one would come with it in a tube.)

It's not because of a virus.

引用自 VenpaCasa
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
kk yeah thats fine
sweet, i hope thats alll i need for now. I just spent money on a Graphics card MoBo and case.....
I wish you could return and get money back for the case and motherboard. I wouldn't had wanted to buy it for an FX processor. For the case sure if you want multiple cases but I assume you wanted something smaller earlier since you bought a micro-atx one, something I personally would had preferred.

引用自 VenpaCasa
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
Clean off the old paste on the CPU and the Cooler with rubbing alcohol, just put a little on a paper towel and clean it off

add a small dab of thermal paste onto the CPU and spread it evenly across the whole CPU with an old credit card or something similar. just enough so that the CPU is covered when you spread it.
when i apply the paste to the cpu should it be installed on the MOBO? or should i be holding it like a piece of bread n butter?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-hNgFNH7zhQ/hqdefault.jpg

Personally I think the rice grain vs pea size measturements are weird since those two things are of the different size. The FX processor have one of those lids though whereas something like the old Athlon XP didn't so I guess the ~pea size is the one to go with. You could just put it into the middle and put on the cooler and it will be pushed out by the cooler eventually.

Or you could make a small x on the middle with it and it will flow out a bit better into the corners.

引用自 Bad-Motha
Well if heat is the issue (as it clearly seems to be right now)
Best bet is Disable/Revert any OC, Disable AMD Turbo, and leave AMD Cool & Quiet Enabled > Set Windows Power Options to Balanced (as High Performance might force full clocks all the time; which is why its better for Gaming) and this should help keep temps lower; at least for every-day OS usage needs for the time being.

What CPU Cooler are you using? Those typically already come with Paste for multiple use needs.

When the paste is sort of thin, the pea-size should work fine.
But when it is a very thick paste (like AS3 or AS5) yea try the X method.
However, when you do the X method, DO NOT have any of the paste already near the edges; give yourself a good 1-inch gap between paste and edge of CPU; so that when the HSF Cooler is installed, the paste doesn't go over-flowing over the edges.

Clean both CPU and HSF Cooler surfaces with Rubbing Alcohol or eye-glass cleaner.
Leave the CPU in the socket when you clean it, to avoid touching/bending pins.
Avoid getting any paste on the Motherboard. If you get it on your hands, clean it off, to avoid transferring it to other things you touch, like your PC Parts, etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2MEAnZ3swQ
Regular ethanol likely work too if one don't have isopropylalcohol. Rubbing alcohol may contain a mixture and not only the later too or? Whatever.

Now AS5 has already been ordered but if it hadn't there's non-conductive pastes too which is safer to fail with. Nothing wrong with AS5 for the purpose it's made for though.

What temp are your processor running at when you have 2.6 GHz and run a game?
What motherboard does it use?
What cooler do you have?
引用自 VenpaCasa
my temp isnt raising higher than 1.5c n is running at .1c right now after a run of far cry primal. im stumped lol.

i am usuing the stock cooler (i know i know im investing in a better one soon)
MB is an AsRock one idr what model
So you had said you ran the stock cooler.

As for the 1.5 degrees higher if that mean you are like hitting 76.5 degree idle and 78.0 degree in game for instance then the idle temperature is bad and the only reason you don't hit higher temperatures is because it's already so bad and the processor doesn't let you do worse. But you shouldn't really have 76 degree idle temps I think even with the stock cooler.
最后由 rotNdude 编辑于; 2017 年 3 月 5 日 上午 10:04
Bad 💀 Motha 2017 年 3 月 5 日 上午 7:32 
Who the heck has ethanol laying around?

As for Isopropyl Alcohol, get the 90% or better.
The higher % is less water, which yes is already mixed into those.

Hydrogen Peroxide works too.
引用自 VenpaCasa
i have stock cooler on cpu that does not want to read higher than 1c for some reason idk if its cool or just reading wrong
Would had been better if you had written the temperatures from the beginning since there's a difference in 1 degree more being 46 degrees of it it's 80.
引用自 VenpaCasa
wow u guys are awesome, thanks for all the responses. so today i booted up my pc and it said error cpu fan is not working shut down immediately so i did. booted back up all is perfect again. USER BENCHMARK is reporting 3.5ghz turbo instead of 2.3ghz now and everything seems normal so im going to try some games and report back.
Did your fan work at all? You have some thermal paste still under it at-least?
引用自 Bad-Motha
> Make sure the CPU/GPU is not throttling.
Maybe running HWmonitor early on and posting the temperatures would had saved you the money of buying a new motherboard and case :(
VenpaCasa 2017 年 3 月 5 日 下午 1:16 
引用自 VenpaCasa
i have stock cooler on cpu that does not want to read higher than 1c for some reason idk if its cool or just reading wrong
Would had been better if you had written the temperatures from the beginning since there's a difference in 1 degree more being 46 degrees of it it's 80.
引用自 VenpaCasa
wow u guys are awesome, thanks for all the responses. so today i booted up my pc and it said error cpu fan is not working shut down immediately so i did. booted back up all is perfect again. USER BENCHMARK is reporting 3.5ghz turbo instead of 2.3ghz now and everything seems normal so im going to try some games and report back.
Did your fan work at all? You have some thermal paste still under it at-least?
引用自 Bad-Motha
> Make sure the CPU/GPU is not throttling.
Maybe running HWmonitor early on and posting the temperatures would had saved you the money of buying a new motherboard and case :(
what i dont get is why now all of a sudden, the cpu starts acting up and getting so hot.
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