Broken fx 8320 or bottleneck?

[VenpaCasa]

hey guys i just upgraded to a Zotac Geforce GTX 1070 amp extreme edition and i am still getting 960 performance on most my games. Even pretty old ones. i ran a benchmark that tells me my cpu is running at 2.3ghz but its actually OC'd to 4.2ghz. im still pretty new to all this plz help

Edit/Update

I replaced my Mobo with a 970a-ud3p and got a mid tower case but i am still getting bad performance.

Tl,dr my cpu is being throttled for some odd reason during high load
Latest Benchmark notice the turbo is way lower than the core speed http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/2996711

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย VenpaCasa:

oka thx so much for your help bro. i will look into a better MOBO.

as for my 1070 i think its fine i took AA off and v-synch off and got 2200+ on Unigen Heaven so i guess its not busted. Must be the MOBO.

If my CPU was busted it wouldnt even run correct?

But I don't know if that's necessary. talk with someone more knowledgeable. Maybe ask in a comment under the list of all the motherboards which is viewed as .. whatever grade of good.

The motherboards didn't seem to sell all that cheap on ebay, maybe they will sell cheaper when Zen is out who knows. One other alternative would had been to eventually sell the motherboard and processor and get something else if that was also more powerful since the eight-core FX processors aren't perfect, but that of course cost even more. Best would had been if one could just fit some heatsinks somehow and have a fan blow on them I feel.

Maybe ASRock can answer / give some suggestions / have something which could help with cooling?

[VenpaCasa]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Etnopluralism / Aliquis:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย VenpaCasa:

oka thx so much for your help bro. i will look into a better MOBO.

as for my 1070 i think its fine i took AA off and v-synch off and got 2200+ on Unigen Heaven so i guess its not busted. Must be the MOBO.

If my CPU was busted it wouldnt even run correct?

But I don't know if that's necessary. talk with someone more knowledgeable. Maybe ask in a comment under the list of all the motherboards which is viewed as .. whatever grade of good.

The motherboards didn't seem to sell all that cheap on ebay, maybe they will sell cheaper when Zen is out who knows. One other alternative would had been to eventually sell the motherboard and processor and get something else if that was also more powerful since the eight-core FX processors aren't perfect, but that of course cost even more. Best would had been if one could just fit some heatsinks somehow and have a fan blow on them I feel.

Maybe ASRock can answer / give some suggestions / have something which could help with cooling?

thanks ill do some poking around and find out what is best in my senario.

[VenpaCasa]

so i brought down the CPU volts by .5 and got a even 3.5ghz better than 2.3ghz. I'll UPDATE as i go

[upcoast]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย VenpaCasa:

in Fallout 4 i get around 24-45 fps outdoors 60fps indoors. Thats not suppose to happen with my CPU GPU combo correct?

FYI, I get mostly 60fps outdoors with infrequent drops to 45fps with my lesser R9 280x 3GB 1080p.

Personally I wouldn't put out a lot of $ on that platform and if you do at least get yourself a 212evo for the cpu and settle for no lower than the 990FX mobo and the only really worthwhile 970 mobo is the MSI 970 Gaming or Gigabyte 970a ud3p 8+2 power the rest of the 970 boards are trash.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page5.html

980ti is the same roughly to a 1070 ^.

[VenpaCasa]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย upcoast:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย VenpaCasa:

in Fallout 4 i get around 24-45 fps outdoors 60fps indoors. Thats not suppose to happen with my CPU GPU combo correct?

FYI, I get mostly 60fps outdoors with infrequent drops to 45fps with my lesser R9 280x 3GB 1080p.

Personally I wouldn't put out a lot of $ on that platform and if you do at least get yourself a 212evo for the cpu and settle for no lower than the 990FX mobo and the only really worthwhile 970 mobo is the MSI 970 Gaming or Gigabyte 970a ud3p 8+2 power the rest of the 970 boards are trash.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page5.html

980ti is the same roughly to a 1070 ^.

i was actually looking at intel for my next cpu, is that what u mean by platform?

[upcoast]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย VenpaCasa:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย upcoast:

FYI, I get mostly 60fps outdoors with infrequent drops to 45fps with my lesser R9 280x 3GB 1080p.

Personally I wouldn't put out a lot of $ on that platform and if you do at least get yourself a 212evo for the cpu and settle for no lower than the 990FX mobo and the only really worthwhile 970 mobo is the MSI 970 Gaming or Gigabyte 970a ud3p 8+2 power the rest of the 970 boards are trash.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page5.html

980ti is the same roughly to a 1070 ^.

i was actually looking at intel for my next cpu, is that what u mean by platform?

Yes that's what I meant by platform and yes at this point intel i5/i7 are your options as an upgrade, however AMD will be releasing it's AM4 ddr4 platform end of this month or next month but it's anyone's guess how it'll perform in real life games.

[VenpaCasa]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย upcoast:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย VenpaCasa:

i was actually looking at intel for my next cpu, is that what u mean by platform?

Yes that's what I meant by platform and yes at this point intel i5/i7 are your options as an upgrade, however AMD will be releasing it's AM4 ddr4 platform end of this month or next month but it's anyone's guess how it'll perform in real life games.

oh, okay cool. Ill wait a bit before i make a plunge. At this point i can definitely rule out the GPU, right?

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

I don't think it's the GPU.

But I don't necessarily know what's going on but I assume it's the motherboard which may have a difficult powering the CPU if the CPU doesn't perform as it should. But even when it performs as it should it's not the best for some titles, but on the other hand maybe it's not really terrible enough that it demand an upgrade such as mine (four cores) kinda does.

The new AMD processors will definitely be an improvement over the old ones, price-wise it seem like for the i3 price-point one will get a quad-core instead, but Intel offer i3 like performance with the G4560 for less so .. take that for what you want. For low-end i5 price one may get quad-core and eight threads and for i5 overclockable price a hexa-core instead which all maybe may end up better than Intel but maybe the difference isn't all that much there anyway. For the quad-core i7 price or just above it it seem like one will get an octo-core though and I assume chances are that's faster in most scenarios. At every price level AMD will likely be faster at some maybe even many tasks and likely slower at some.

We'll soon find out what the end-result is for gaming. It will definitely be better than FX but will also cost more / core than FX.

Ask around in some forum where people know their AMD FX and 970 chipset and motherboard stuff.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkPW01VKdDs

Check his temperature at the backside of the motherboard using a FX-6300.

I don't understand why they sell the motherboards as compatible even with the requirement of a fan which blow downwards when it doesn't work better than that.

He lower backside of motherboard temp from ~113 to ~100 degrees with a small fan.

[upcoast]

I would still like to know what gpu you where using before the gtx1070 and what psu is in the tower make/model and watts. Hypothetically if your psu is a no name 350w POS that could explain a lot.

There's a possibility it's not your gpu but I'd just be guessing like everyone else, it could be the mobo but it's too hard to guess over the internet and it would be just a guess.

[kiwikev]

Overclocking can have it's drawbacks, e.g: turbo mode turns off cores to keep heat/power draw down .

Specification of FX-8320 :@stock 3.5ghz 8 cores, 125 watt, max temp 61.1 degrees c

Turbo @3.7ghz more than 4 cores ( might lower it to 7 ot 6 cores ?)

Turbo @4.0ghz 4 cores or less.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%20FX-8320.html

hope this info helps.

[VenpaCasa]

wow u guys are awesome, thanks for all the responses. so today i booted up my pc and it said error cpu fan is not working shut down immediately so i did. booted back up all is perfect again. USER BENCHMARK is reporting 3.5ghz turbo instead of 2.3ghz now and everything seems normal so im going to try some games and report back.

[upcoast]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย VenpaCasa:

wow u guys are awesome, thanks for all the responses. so today i booted up my pc and it said error cpu fan is not working shut down immediately so i did. booted back up all is perfect again. USER BENCHMARK is reporting 3.5ghz turbo instead of 2.3ghz now and everything seems normal so im going to try some games and report back.

http://www.mersenne.org/download/

If you run P95 ^ small ftts it puts the load on your cpu only and while leaving HWMonitor open you can read your cpu speed/temps. It's a helpful tool when you're dealing with cpu performance ie is it or is not working right.

[VenpaCasa]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย upcoast:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย VenpaCasa:

wow u guys are awesome, thanks for all the responses. so today i booted up my pc and it said error cpu fan is not working shut down immediately so i did. booted back up all is perfect again. USER BENCHMARK is reporting 3.5ghz turbo instead of 2.3ghz now and everything seems normal so im going to try some games and report back.

http://www.mersenne.org/download/

If you run P95 ^ small ftts it puts the load on your cpu only and while leaving HWMonitor open you can read your cpu speed/temps. It's a helpful tool when you're dealing with cpu performance ie is it or is not working right.

thanks ill try that soon (gotta get my son from school)

i did try fallout 4 and i am getting the same performance although a little better hasnt dipped into the 20fps yet steady 30+. in some areas its 60 but outdoors is my problem....

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

"Yes, I use the FX-8350 with that very motherboard, HOWEVER BE SURE TO UPDATE YOUR BIOS TO THE LATEST VERSION!!!! If you do not have the latest version of the BIOS, then ANYTHING but the stock clock will cause for VERY strange lagging."

Do you run the latest BIOS?
970 Pro3
http://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/970%20pro3/
Windows version 2.0 29 October 2014: ftp:/europe.asrock.com/BIOS/AM3+/970%20Pro3(2.00)WIN.zip
Instant flash version 2.0 29 October 2014: ftp:/europe.asrock.com/BIOS/AM3+/970%20Pro3(2.00)ROM.zip

970 Pro3 R2.0
http://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/970%20pro3%20r2.0/
Windows version 2.8 29 June 2016: ftp:/europe.asrock.com/BIOS/AM3+/970%20Pro3%20R2.0(2.80)WIN.zip
Instant flash version 2.8 29 June 2016: ftp:/europe.asrock.com/BIOS/AM3+/970%20Pro3%20R2.0(2.80)ROM.zip

I assume CPU-Z can tell you what you are running:
http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_1.78-en.exe

I don't know if installing other software available on those pages for the motherboard can help too.