Broken fx 8320 or bottleneck?

[VenpaCasa]

hey guys i just upgraded to a Zotac Geforce GTX 1070 amp extreme edition and i am still getting 960 performance on most my games. Even pretty old ones. i ran a benchmark that tells me my cpu is running at 2.3ghz but its actually OC'd to 4.2ghz. im still pretty new to all this plz help

Edit/Update

I replaced my Mobo with a 970a-ud3p and got a mid tower case but i am still getting bad performance.

Tl,dr my cpu is being throttled for some odd reason during high load
Latest Benchmark notice the turbo is way lower than the core speed http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/2996711

[upcoast]

1) since you changed out the gpu it's a good idea to DDU ( guru3d.com ) the gpu drivers and reinstall.

2) disable in bios cool n quiet/c1e/turbo core and do NOT use software to overclock use the bios.

3) pick a game that isn't cpu heavy like tombraider rise http://www.techspot.com/review/1128-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-benchmarks/page5.html and try to replicate the bench (the 980ti and 1070 are similar).

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page6.html

You also mentioned you had BF4 ^ which is far from cpu demanding your fps with a 1070 should be through the roof even with an FX8320 stock clock.

Ps, figure out your temps gaming with HWMonitor, overclocking on an amd POS stock cooler is never a good thing hopefully you got the wraith hsf package. Post what cooler and mobo you're using.

[VenpaCasa]

i have stock cooler on cpu that does not want to read higher than 1c for some reason idk if its cool or just reading wrong
i dont remember the MOBO model but its an AsRock

Tomb Raider ran at like 30 fps last night at the end game scene
battlefield 4 never went higher than 40fps to 45fps

引用自 LTT LinusFTW：

引用自 VenpaCasa：

1080p is my monitors max ATM. dont think ill upgrade to 4k just yet. i just wanna get some smooth gaming going on lol

That score seems really low, when I had my 1070 at stock it got at least 2400 points at 1080P with exactly the same settings. I'd say it's your GPU, contact the manufacturer of the card and they'll send you a new one if you can actually prove that it's a faulty card.

you really think i do? i mean we did have a snow storm and my package was delayed a couple days (maybe left in the truck) and they left it outside my house as well.... i have the worst luck too just to add

[upcoast]

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

DL that ^ it'll tell you most of what you need to know ie mobo.

There's definitely something fishy going on, so you cleaned out / reinstalled your gpu drivers? Reset bios to defaults maybe bios has gotten borked with all the overclocking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SiMcndRaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbGXu_QilLk

Generally ^ you should be seeing an increase.

[VenpaCasa]

引用自 upcoast：

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

DL that ^ it'll tell you most of what you need to know ie mobo.

There's definitely something fishy going on, so you cleaned out / reinstalled your gpu drivers? Reset bios to defaults maybe bios has gotten borked with all the overclocking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SiMcndRaQ

i've done all of that..... none of the OC i apply in BIOS stick within windows though.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

引用自 VenpaCasa：

引用自 Etnopluralism / Aliquis：

And if there is any issues remember my processor is an AMD Phenom X4 9850 @ 2.7 GHz ;D (with 800 MHz DDR2 because I only have 4 GB of 1066 MHzm, or whatever, 1033? May have been 666 and 800 too.)

so even at regular clock speeds of 3.5ghz i should be ok right? i mean its a octacore right? I am getting terrible performance when clocked at 3.5ghz though

Yeah it's octacore but the Phenom II did more per core and clock I think. Or at-least as much.

In some cases it's better than an i5, in some as good, in some worse.
I assume it's at best as good as an i5 in most cases, maybe better than an i3 in most but not in all.

And my Phenom X4 is terrible for games which aren't light-weight.

The FX cores have about half the capability of the Intel ones, but twice as many but some tasks are hard to divide equally onto all cores and something ends up halting the whole thing.

[VenpaCasa]

引用自 Etnopluralism / Aliquis：

引用自 VenpaCasa：

so even at regular clock speeds of 3.5ghz i should be ok right? i mean its a octacore right? I am getting terrible performance when clocked at 3.5ghz though

Yeah it's octacore but the Phenom II did more per core and clock I think. Or at-least as much.

In some cases it's better than an i5, in some as good, in some worse.
I assume it's at best as good as an i5 in most cases, maybe better than an i3 in most but not in all.

oh i see

ok so i have a AsRock 970m Pro3

[upcoast]

引用自 VenpaCasa：

引用自 upcoast：

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

DL that ^ it'll tell you most of what you need to know ie mobo.

There's definitely something fishy going on, so you cleaned out / reinstalled your gpu drivers? Reset bios to defaults maybe bios has gotten borked with all the overclocking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SiMcndRaQ

i've done all of that..... none of the OC i apply in BIOS stick within windows though.

Silly question but are you pushing F10 button before exiting bios?

And like above mentioned you could have gotten a faulty 1070 but I think it's probably something on the software and bios is screwed up. If the card runs lower than supposed to be fps but runs stable it's hard for me to blame the card.

[VenpaCasa]

引用自 upcoast：

引用自 VenpaCasa：

i've done all of that..... none of the OC i apply in BIOS stick within windows though.

Silly question but are you pushing F10 button before exiting bios?

And like above mentioned you could have gotten a faulty 1070 but I think it's probably something on the software and bios is screwed up. If the card runs lower than supposed to be fps but runs stable it's hard for me to blame the card.

even when left in below 0 weather?

yes i hit save and exit.

[upcoast]

Well the 970m isn't the greatest board 4+1 power makes it hard to believe it'll support 140w cpu draw.

So hypothetically if you have already done.

Cleared and reset bios to default then disabled c1e, turbo boost and cool n quiet and DO NOT overclock anything, updated mobo bios if needed.

Cleaned out old gpu drivers with ddu/reinstalled.

Your psu is at least 550w of good quality, what is it?

I'd have to start looking at the gpu as doa.

Last ditch resort before starting an rma reset or reinstall win 10 and all needed drivers and if that doesn't work give it up.

[VenpaCasa]

PSU: CX750M

引用自 upcoast：

Well the 970m isn't the greatest board 4+1 power makes it hard to believe it'll support 140w cpu draw.

So hypothetically if you have already done.

Cleared and reset bios to default then disabled c1e, turbo boost and cool n quiet and DO NOT overclock anything, updated mobo bios if needed.

Cleaned out old gpu drivers with ddu/reinstalled.

Your psu is at least 550w of good quality, what is it?

I'd have to start looking at the gpu as doa.

Last ditch resort before starting an rma reset or reinstall win 10 and all needed drivers and if that doesn't work give it up.

would amazon leaving it out in the cold be the culprit?

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/970M%20Pro3/?cat=CPU
AM3+* FX FD8320FRW8KHK 125W Vishera 3500MHz 2200MHz 2MBx4 8MB C0 All
* For cooling the CPU and its surrounding components, please install a CPU cooler with a top-down blowing design.
- Supports Socket AM3 processors: AMD Phenom™ II X6 / X4 / X3 / X2 (except 920 / 940) / Athlon II X4 / X3 / X2 / Sempron processors
- Supports 8-Core CPU
- Supports UCC feature (Unlock CPU Core)
- 4 + 1 Power Phase design
- Supports CPU up to 140W
- Supports AMD's Cool 'n' Quiet Technology

I assume it may be too hot VRM.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2840272/amd-8320-throttling-asrock-970-pro3.html
"Throttling because of the board vrm's not because of CPU temps mate."

I don't know why they market boards which does a poor job of running the processors as compatible.
Do you have the stock cooler? If you don't is it one which blow downwards?
There's lots of people who have had this issue with 6 and 8 core FX setups. It's so annoying. Did you buy it a long time ago or recently?

From that thread:

Re-enable these
Spread Spectrum,
AMD APM,
Cool 'n' Quiet,
Enhanced Halt State (C1E),
Core C6 Mode,
CPU Thermal Throttle.

You're making the problem worse not better by disabling power management items in bios.

You're suffering vrm throttling plain & simple , your suffering inflated CPU temps under load as a direct result of this.
Vrm's get hot,become less efficient - pump more voltage in a vain attempt to gain stability, CPU socket gets hotter as a result.
Vrm's get even hotter - cycle repeats, & again & again until the vrm throttles CPU clocks due to overheating.

There exist 970 boards with more phases and there exist the 990 chipset which motherboards with more phases likely run it better for whatever reason, one or the other or both.

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database
Board: Phase count: Heatsinked? TDP support Recommended? (see note above) Low RDS (on)? Transistor info VRM Protection
970 Pro3 4+1 No 140W? Yes Yes 3-transistor Unknown 8-pin ATX

So it seem like they actually recommend the card at-least.
The 970 Extreme 3 and 4 would have hard heatsinks installed even though they are 4+1 too.

I don't know if you could get some heatsinks to fit yourself or some other fan do help blow on them a bit.
VRM is the stuff which looks like this: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=144520&d=1401196538

[VenpaCasa]

引用自 Etnopluralism / Aliquis：

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/970M%20Pro3/?cat=CPU
AM3+* FX FD8320FRW8KHK 125W Vishera 3500MHz 2200MHz 2MBx4 8MB C0 All
* For cooling the CPU and its surrounding components, please install a CPU cooler with a top-down blowing design.
- Supports Socket AM3 processors: AMD Phenom™ II X6 / X4 / X3 / X2 (except 920 / 940) / Athlon II X4 / X3 / X2 / Sempron processors
- Supports 8-Core CPU
- Supports UCC feature (Unlock CPU Core)
- 4 + 1 Power Phase design
- Supports CPU up to 140W
- Supports AMD's Cool 'n' Quiet Technology

I assume it may be too hot VRM.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2840272/amd-8320-throttling-asrock-970-pro3.html
"Throttling because of the board vrm's not because of CPU temps mate."

I don't know why they market boards which does a poor job of running the processors as compatible.
Do you have the stock cooler? If you don't is it one which blow downwards?
There's lots of people who have had this issue with 6 and 8 core FX setups. It's so annoying. Did you buy it a long time ago or recently?

From that thread:

Re-enable these
Spread Spectrum,
AMD APM,
Cool 'n' Quiet,
Enhanced Halt State (C1E),
Core C6 Mode,
CPU Thermal Throttle.

You're making the problem worse not better by disabling power management items in bios.

You're suffering vrm throttling plain & simple , your suffering inflated CPU temps under load as a direct result of this.
Vrm's get hot,become less efficient - pump more voltage in a vain attempt to gain stability, CPU socket gets hotter as a result.
Vrm's get even hotter - cycle repeats, & again & again until the vrm throttles CPU clocks due to overheating.

There exist 970 boards with more phases and there exist the 990 chipset which motherboards with more phases likely run it better for whatever reason, one or the other or both.

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database
Board: Phase count: Heatsinked? TDP support Recommended? (see note above) Low RDS (on)? Transistor info VRM Protection
970 Pro3 4+1 No 140W? Yes Yes 3-transistor Unknown 8-pin ATX

So it seem like they actually recommend the card at-least.
The 970 Extreme 3 and 4 would have hard heatsinks installed even though they are 4+1 too.

I don't know if you could get some heatsinks to fit yourself or some other fan do help blow on them a bit.
VRM is the stuff which looks like this: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=144520&d=1401196538

i have stock cooler, onlything new is my 1070. so could it be that i need a new MOBO? i rather get that than a CPU or exchange my GPU. recommend any good ones that would fit a cube design case?

[VenpaCasa]

in Fallout 4 i get around 24-45 fps outdoors 60fps indoors. Thats not suppose to happen with my CPU GPU combo correct?

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

I have no idea what performance you should be getting.

Your current motherboard is of Micro-ATX size.

Seem like AsRock have no Micro-ATX 990FX chipset boards. But I don't know if that matters.
The only 970 motherboard they have in Micro-ATX size is the one you already have.

So if you searched for an AM3+ Micro-ATX motherboard for your build on the AsRock website the one you have would had been the only match :)

I don't seem to find any Micro-ATX board from Gigabyte for it either.
Maybe that was unusual?

But the webpage above which discuss motherboards actually suggest the motherboard you have even if it may not be the best one. But as such I assume it can't be terrible for it.

There's lots of threads about this on Tom's hardware, here's one:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3137320/8350-asrock-970-pro3.html
"You bought one of the worst quality boards on the planet mate , the 970 pro & extreme boards cannot handle an 8 corefx chip

What you're seeing is vrm throttling (clocks will intermittently drop to 1400mhz when the vrm gets hot)"
Seem kinda weird that the Extreme ones would also be bad.

Also:
"Skanky quality MOSFETs that are only good to 50c.

The above is all fairly common knowledge.

Disable turbocore in BIOS & undervolting as much as possible can gain stability but is hit & miss.
Dropping 2 cores the same , essentially its more trouble than its really worth & a better board is the only real 100% solution."

"Gigabyte 970a-ud3p
MSI 970 gaming
Asus m5a97 r2.0/evo (not the le one though)

Those are your 3 most likely budget ones."
But I assume those are ATX boards.

I would just try to get a case fan from some old computer or whatever and try to fit it with whatever to tie it with so that it could blow onto the VRM and hope that would help.
Since the guy above suggested to drop the voltage maybe you could do that but of course it won't work and perform as it should with too low voltage either so .. that's troublesome.

Preferably I wouldn't want to spend all that much more in it myself, if a fan would make it work that would be nice IMHO.

[VenpaCasa]

引用自 Etnopluralism / Aliquis：

I have no idea what performance you should be getting.

Your current motherboard is of Micro-ATX size.

Seem like AsRock have no Micro-ATX 990FX chipset boards. But I don't know if that matters.
The only 970 motherboard they have in Micro-ATX size is the one you already have.

So if you searched for an AM3+ Micro-ATX motherboard for your build on the AsRock website the one you have would had been the only match :)

I don't seem to find any Micro-ATX board from Gigabyte for it either.
Maybe that was unusual?

But the webpage above which discuss motherboards actually suggest the motherboard you have even if it may not be the best one. But as such I assume it can't be terrible for it.

There's lots of threads about this on Tom's hardware, here's one:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3137320/8350-asrock-970-pro3.html
"You bought one of the worst quality boards on the planet mate , the 970 pro & extreme boards cannot handle an 8 corefx chip

What you're seeing is vrm throttling (clocks will intermittently drop to 1400mhz when the vrm gets hot)"
Seem kinda weird that the Extreme ones would also be bad.

Also:
"Skanky quality MOSFETs that are only good to 50c.

The above is all fairly common knowledge.

Disable turbocore in BIOS & undervolting as much as possible can gain stability but is hit & miss.
Dropping 2 cores the same , essentially its more trouble than its really worth & a better board is the only real 100% solution."

"Gigabyte 970a-ud3p
MSI 970 gaming
Asus m5a97 r2.0/evo (not the le one though)

Those are your 3 most likely budget ones."
But I assume those are ATX boards.

I would just try to get a case fan from some old computer or whatever and try to fit it with whatever to tie it with so that it could blow onto the VRM and hope that would help.
Since the guy above suggested to drop the voltage maybe you could do that but of course it won't work and perform as it should with too low voltage either so .. that's troublesome.

Preferably I wouldn't want to spend all that much more in it myself, if a fan would make it work that would be nice IMHO.

oka thx so much for your help bro. i will look into a better MOBO.

as for my 1070 i think its fine i took AA off and v-synch off and got 2200+ on Unigen Heaven so i guess its not busted. Must be the MOBO.

If my CPU was busted it wouldnt even run correct?