CordisDia (Banned) Feb 12, 2017 @ 8:24am
Roccat vs Razer vs Logitech... need some infos
I'm in process of building my gaming station, and it's time to start thinking about mice,headphones and keyboard.

I consider gaming mice far more important than headphones and keyboard, and ill start from that.
Besides product "quality" - i higly pref keyboard with letters from my native language + since i like to play in darkness, i pref keyboard with any sort of lighting, and i pref that my setup will be made fully by 1 manufacturer.

Razer Deathadder Elite is almost "must have" thing for me- from what i can read,hear and see, many consider it for best gaming mice that exist. I like when things are simple, and deatadder elite have only 2 main buttons+2 additional side buttons which is enough for me. It have anti-sweat rubber side, and it's pretty big mice which is good since i have pretty big hand. It have 16000 DPI and razer claim it have most advanced sensor among gaming mices...

Unfortunetly, i prefer that my new setup will be made from 1 manufacturer only, and from what i heard,Razer is not making keyboards with Croatian letters. I don't like that.

Do Logitech or Roccat (or anyone else)have anything similiar to Razer Deathadder elite ?

Do you use keyboard without letters from your native language? How did you adapt to it? How strange is to use keyboard without letters from your language?

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SundownKid Feb 12, 2017 @ 8:58am 
Your best bet if you want a single manufacturer is Logitech. G502 mouse is a very good gaming mouse albeit with a bit more buttons than you prefer.

With mechanical keyboards you could always see if you can get keycaps of your language instead of the keyboard itself, but I'm not sure how that works.
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Ocelote.12 Feb 12, 2017 @ 7:34pm 
I have a mouse called Roccat Kone Pure (old variant, not 2017 one), but it does not have rubber grip and it's for small hands like mine. Roccat have also larger mice like Kone EMP and Kone XTD, but they're of hard plastic too, no rubber grips or rubberized surface either.

Also my Kone Pure has a pretty loud scroll wheel - I think that in silence people can hear it even if they're in the next room. I'd get a transforming-to-free-scroll scroll wheel like on some Logitech Mice but on their current Logitech G502 some people report it as scrolling by itself when in free-scroll mode when the mouse is moved too rapidly (just intertia making the wheel to scroll by itself). I also have a Logitech Corded Mouse M500 with the free-scroll wheel (also can be changed to clicky-scroll), but it's a non-gaming model so the sensor accuracy and maximum dpi are not good enough for games so I use Roccat with noisy clicky wheel instead.
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Arya Feb 12, 2017 @ 8:00pm 
For headphones your best choices are Kingston HyperX and Steelseries, Logitech/Roccat/Razer aren't anywhere near as good at the moment. Not at that price range anyway.

The current best gaming headphones on the market are the HyperX Cloud Revolving and Steelseries Siberia 350. I would take one of those, and ignore the rest.

Just be careful with any Razer products you buy. Razer are sleek, but fragile and prone to manufacturing errors. Treat them gently if you want them to last.
CordisDia (Banned) Feb 14, 2017 @ 12:09am 
Originally posted by 狼 Wolfey ☯:
For headphones your best choices are Kingston HyperX and Steelseries, Logitech/Roccat/Razer aren't anywhere near as good at the moment. Not at that price range anyway.

The current best gaming headphones on the market are the HyperX Cloud Revolving and Steelseries Siberia 350. I would take one of those, and ignore the rest.

Just be careful with any Razer products you buy. Razer are sleek, but fragile and prone to manufacturing errors. Treat them gently if you want them to last.
I checked Steelseries Syberia 350, and wow, im impresed - it indeed seems like better deal than any Razer or Roccat . But still not sure, i need to better inform myself .
Arya Feb 14, 2017 @ 2:40am 
Originally posted by DocGangrena:
Originally posted by 狼 Wolfey ☯:
For headphones your best choices are Kingston HyperX and Steelseries, Logitech/Roccat/Razer aren't anywhere near as good at the moment. Not at that price range anyway.

The current best gaming headphones on the market are the HyperX Cloud Revolving and Steelseries Siberia 350. I would take one of those, and ignore the rest.

Just be careful with any Razer products you buy. Razer are sleek, but fragile and prone to manufacturing errors. Treat them gently if you want them to last.
I checked Steelseries Syberia 350, and wow, im impresed - it indeed seems like better deal than any Razer or Roccat . But still not sure, i need to better inform myself .

Be sure to check out the HyperX Cloud Revolver as well. It's got the best audio of any gaming headset around at the moment, certainly of the ones I've tested. Very good headset.
Black Mambo № 5 Feb 14, 2017 @ 4:13am 
I'm using a SteelSeries Rival 300 mouse. Its top quality. Of course plenty of other companies make decent mice, without a doubt. But I just love the elegance and build quality of SteelSeries products so I have a hard time recommending other stuff.

I'm not really the headphones guy since I prefer my sweet 5.1 speaker setup, but regardless, I have a Siberia 150, its USB+RGB, don't judge me, the Siberia 100 wasn't available when I needed the headphone. Either way, for what it costs -- it feels pretty decent, very light and the ear cushions are quite comfortable. Mic is nice, bass is good, not the best bass, but its good for how much it costs. There are other good options in SteelSeries of course.

As for keyboards, hmm, that can be a bit tricky to suggest since there are a plenty of factors involved with switches, LEDs, macros, additional keys, features, looks, and what not. Also SteelSeries is a European company so they are bound to have European layout on their keyboards as an option. I've tested my friend's Apex M500, a relatively new keyboard but the problem is its Cherry Red and the price is rather steep. its only recently been made available in Cherry Blues, but availability can be a big issue. Still costs about 100$ on Amazon. There are better options. If you like a metric crap-ton of keys then the Apex 800 can be worth taking a look at, its gotten good reviews, but the design can be a turn-off. Also uses SteelSeries' in-house developed QS1 linear mech-switches.

-- I think SteelSeries easily provides the best choice overall if you're deciding to go with a 1-manufacturer setup which I think you shouldn't since you won't find many top-quality keyboards from these "gaming" brands.
-- I'm not a fan of Logitech keyboards since the one G610 Orion Cherry Brown I used came with an awful manufacturing defect which is pretty damn common for that model, my fault for not thoroughly researching it up. Without those issues though, it would be a solid keyboard.
-- I've never used Roccat becasue it seems a bit too gamery/gimmicky for my liking.


Also as Wolfey mentioned, avoid anything related to Razer, too many manufacturing failures, too much headache, flimsy build quality, over-hyped products. Just not worth it. Talking with experience. Razer products owned with which I have had issues:
  1. Mice.
    • DA2013 -- Left click started having double click issues after 5 months, got a replacement, which had the same issue after 3 months. Returned and upgraded to DAChroma
    • DAChroma -- Worked nicely till 7 months, then started having the same double click issue as DA2013. Returned to retailer(friend) paid the price difference and got a
  2. Keyboards.
    • BlackWidow 2014 Ultimate(Blue LED) -- GODAWFUL KEYBOARD. Switches went berserk after just 10 months of use, which is a joke for mech-switches. Tried everything possible to get it fixed and since it was imported from US via a returning friend, I couldn't do much other than trash it in storage closet. By keys going berserk I mean some wouldn't just register the presses, and some would register like 3-4 times in 1 press. Terrible keyboard. Its not even Cherry switches so... avoid like grim death.
  3. Audio.
    • Carcharias(Old model) -- Average-ish sound for its price, nothing special. Mic stopped working after two years I think. Volume control started having issues right after warranty expired. Average build quality as well.
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Rumpelcrutchskin Feb 14, 2017 @ 6:15am 
Corsair K70 LUX RGB
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Kingston HyperX Cloud Revolver
Originally posted by DocGangrena:
I'm in process of building my gaming station, and it's time to start thinking about mice,headphones and keyboard.

I consider gaming mice far more important than headphones and keyboard, and ill start from that.
Besides product "quality" - i higly pref keyboard with letters from my native language + since i like to play in darkness, i pref keyboard with any sort of lighting, and i pref that my setup will be made fully by 1 manufacturer.

Razer Deathadder Elite is almost "must have" thing for me- from what i can read,hear and see, many consider it for best gaming mice that exist. I like when things are simple, and deatadder elite have only 2 main buttons+2 additional side buttons which is enough for me. It have anti-sweat rubber side, and it's pretty big mice which is good since i have pretty big hand. It have 16000 DPI and razer claim it have most advanced sensor among gaming mices...

Unfortunetly, i prefer that my new setup will be made from 1 manufacturer only, and from what i heard,Razer is not making keyboards with Croatian letters. I don't like that.

Do Logitech or Roccat (or anyone else)have anything similiar to Razer Deathadder elite ?

Do you use keyboard without letters from your native language? How did you adapt to it? How strange is to use keyboard without letters from your language?
Brand doesn't really matter. To some extent it may do because Logitech do special things and for instance Razer do their own keyboard switches by now but in regard of mouse they are buying the same brand of sensors but there are different models and that's where the difference is not in the logotype on the mouse. I understand why you'd want the same brand for looks but if the quality / fit of the product was so important for you then you wouldn't let that stop you and instead try to get the best product. Also I don't consider the mouse as important as you obviously do.

I DON'T like the five mouse button designs (scroll wheel is also one) because there's times when I wouldn't mind having more buttons (for instance I use one mouse button for in-game voice and I've used another mouse button for Discord voice just for my friend and I could also had use for smokes, HE, "fire" and flash grenades in CS:GO for instance.)

I've owned the original DeathAdder but it make my wrist hurt eventually though that may happen with all mouses and I've had the same feeling just a little bit using my current Logitech G9x too. Microsoft got an ergonomic mouse which may be better for that but it's not a gaming mouse though with your low demands on the number of buttons maybe it could had worked for you though I assume the sensor isn't top-notch. Also my left click ended up multi-clicking all the time and Razer doesn't care about my serial number for their virtual surround free key if you got a Razer product.

Supposedly the PMW3389 sensor in the Elite, something Rocket Jump Ninja doesn't put in the best category (which include the 336x) but still in the very good one. I think the difference had something to do with if you put down the mouse at an angle it may move the pointer because of that or something such. I don't think he's considering himself having a problem with that since he doesn't use the mouse like that but it's one of the things he test. I'd assume it's still on his list of very good mice.

I live in Sweden and all of those large brands likely provide a Nordic keyboard layout, I'm 37 years old and have used computer for long so for normal typing I don't look at the keyboard so it wouldn't be much of a deal for me except US return keys have a different shape and that mean at-least one key has moved and hence the same keymap doesn't work. For some special symbol maybe I could hit the wrong key / would have some usage for having the letters printed on the keys but I could do without and I think I can do well without them too. But if I missed or messed up it could help.

I bought but returned the Logitech G502 for 399 SEK and the G900 for 999 SEK which was both awesome prices and those two are likely very good mice. I've felt the G502 before and for me the thumb keys aren't perfect fit / easy access for me. RocketJumpNinja think it's just a tad too heavy. Which may not be a problem and maybe wouldn't had been for me I don't know what I would had thought about it but it's an excellently speced mouse and the price was a very good one. You don't get a G403 or G303 for that price currently I think since they are newer. He plays quake and move his mouse a lot and I don't. G900 is the do it all mice which is wireless with low latency without being heavy and excellent with some extra keys. Roccat is releasing their LeadR mouse which seem to be direct competition to the G900.

But when it comes to mice how they fit your hand matters to a large extent so you can find lots of mice with good sensors and switches but then there's how it feels to you aspect which will matter on for instance hand size which you've already mentioned. The Logitech G303 is supposed to be a very good mouse for Quake but it looks a bit weird and is still expensive and it may not be what you want from looks or size.

As for keyboards back when computers did cost tens of thousands of dollars one got premium keyboards because that's something one can provide with such a machine but nowadays when they sell laptops for two hundred dollars an expensive keyboard isn't something they can put there. Almost all gaming keyboard use CherryMX switches which are mechanical and better than the rubber-dome ones but not necessarily the best mechanical switches. It's what everyone knows about and ask for and hence it's what has been copied too. Logitech has the G910 keyboard which use RomerG switches which is an ALPS copy which is a different kind of mechanical keys. Personally I'd prefer the keys to be more responsive whereas this one is pretty "gamey" if one think CherryMX Brown and Red is more "gamer" than Blue. And since my wrists hurt occasionally personally I would prefer an ergonomical keyboard but you wouldn't. There's also cheap Chinese keyboards with mechanical switches around.

G303: http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/logitech-g303-review/
Larger G403 better for you? http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/logitech-g403-review/
Also larger G900: http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/logitech-g900-review/

G910 is an expensive keyboard. http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/rgb-gaming-keyboard-g910
Left side macro keys confuse me but if you are ok with them they have the G710 and G710+: http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g710plus-mechanical-gaming-keyboard
G810 doesn't have them: http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g810-orion-spectrum-rgb-gaming-keyboard it too use the RomerG switches but with a more normal keylayout / number of keys.
The tenkeyless G410 http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/rgb-tenkeyless-gaming-keyboard-g410 don't have the left-side macrokeys. I think lacking the numkeypad is a disadvantage but it's smaller.

Corsair K70 and such always looks nice:
http://www.corsair.com/en-eu/gaming-keyboards

But there's nothing wrong with the Razer Blackwidow Chroma either: https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-blackwidow-chroma-v2

I think it was the Kona Savu which was very comfortable for me but it was a cheaper mouse with less of a quality feel I felt.
http://www.roccat.org/en-US/Products/Gaming-Mice/Savu/
I think one easily wore the plastic on the top of it too.
Avago ADNS A3090 sensor in that one which I think is more similar to the one in the deathadder?

Zowie got a very good reputation/popularity for mice right now too.
Originally posted by 狼 Wolfey ☯:
For headphones your best choices are Kingston HyperX and Steelseries, Logitech/Roccat/Razer aren't anywhere near as good at the moment. Not at that price range anyway.

The current best gaming headphones on the market are the HyperX Cloud Revolving and Steelseries Siberia 350. I would take one of those, and ignore the rest.

Just be careful with any Razer products you buy. Razer are sleek, but fragile and prone to manufacturing errors. Treat them gently if you want them to last.
My friend bought the Logitech G900, G910 and G930 and I think all of those was suppose to be good.

Personally I would likely just get a pair of Sennheiser HD598 and ModMic 4.0 omni-directional or something.
Arya Feb 14, 2017 @ 6:19pm 
Originally posted by Etnopluralism / Aliquis:
My friend bought the Logitech G900, G910 and G930 and I think all of those was suppose to be good.

Personally I would likely just get a pair of Sennheiser HD598 and ModMic 4.0 omni-directional or something.

I have no doubt, but I could never buy a Logitech G product. They look like something Nerf would make, too bright and silly.

I went with a DASKeyboard Ultimate and Kingston Cloud Revolver, and I've kept my three year old Saitek RAT because it's still working fantastically well.
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