Practically same computer as a freind but HALF the frames!? (FIXED!)

[SoulTechnology]

(Update, check Edit-2)

on paper, i SHOULD have a slihgtly better pc them my freind. we play ALLOT fo games together, but when we do he seems to run our more intensive games waaay better then i do. i through it was just my brand new gpu not having optimised software for games, and that amrketing wank saying they tested it was just marketing wank. but after months have passed more then just marketing ♥♥♥♥♥♥s have said my gpus performance even comared to my friends gpu and i SHOULD be more powerfull but im not.

its MORE THEN A MINOR PROBLEM! im literlaly getting half to a 3rd of the frames he is on games that others wiht almost my exact setup are getting the same frames hes getting on the SAME SETTINGS! you see how this is a problem for me? (a 15fps on high end pc problem)

My Specs:
windows 10 home
i7 6700k
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
16Gb ram
Internet (30 down 10 up average tests, uk based)

Freinds Specs:
windows 10 home
i7 4770k
EVGA GTX 980Ti
16Gb ram
Internet (2 down 1 up average tests, us-mid based)

on low end games, like warthunder and elite dangerouse, we both get over 100fps. most to all AAA titles we get a nice locked 60fps. high end and intensive games like arma and GTA5 i get anywhere from a half to 1/3rd of his frames. for example, on arma he gets from a rare 30 to a more liekly 60-90fps. meanwhile i get a common 12-25fps and a rare 30fps. you can start to see why this is a problem.

STAR SWARM TEST RESULTS (only stress test we can bother with)
Settings: - Follow camera - extreem test - timed run
Me: - 44.49 average FPS - 4251 average unit count.
Freind: - 93.37 average FPS - 4640 average unit count.

if anything i should be closely on par with him if not doing better but im falling FAR behind so i think its somethign i can fix since nobody seems to say the 1070 in practice sucks THIS MUCH! heck i think i had the same performance out of my old i3(well, the amd equivelent) and gtx780.

- no its not a cooling problem
- its happened for so long its not gonna be external pluged in devices as theve changed
- this also means it wont be hard drive sapce and such
- on topic of harddrives hes played games on his ssd AND his disk and neither affected the fps compared between us.
- this ahs been a problem since i upgraded my cpu / motherbaord / and gpu in january, my freind has had his stuff since last year.

EDIT:
ive come to the conclusions that i might aswell try a clean install (EVERYTHING, gone, bleaching) just for regulary... youknow, 3 year maintinance, but in the case this doesnt fix it id still like to see people posting here 'other' solutions if anyone has any.
thanks.

EDIT 2: post-reset

SS test: me(post reset): - 68.99 average FPS - 4652 average unit count.
SS test: thom(reminder): - 93.37 average FPS - 4640 average unit count.

better, probably due to me cleaning out allot of unecesary crap but still not nearly as good as it should be. sadly i lost the links thom sent me over 3 months ago and i poked around the intel and asus websites and am having trouble finding latest drivers as im assuming thatle help.

Intel site seems to only have drivers for my onboard graphics which i dont even use since everything is plugged directly into the gpu. Asus site has allot of dirvers but for things liek the biod and other things im not quite sure will help? (im looking for chipset or optimisation drivers right? or atleast a usb 3.0 dirver since my front 3.0 ports dont work but my back ones do. my front 2.0s work but whats the point then?).

(found SOME drivers on the asus site but no real performance improvements.)

Motherboard: ASUS Z170-P D3

FIXED!:
while a reinstall was healthy and im happy i did it. turns out, that my 1070 was produced by armor, while it SHOULD BE the same armor APPERENTLY unclocks there gpu's. now thommy sent me some software a while back to modify my gpu settings but that software apperently lieks his 980ti more then my new 1070. however another freind recently lineks be the asus gpu tweak software and guess what, i messed with some settings and now my gpu is running EXACTLY how i expected it to an theres loads of room for improvement aswell.

thanks to all those who halped or tried, everythings working great now.

[SoulTechnology]

Vertisea の投稿を引用：

Geforce Experience isn't bloatware. It's actually pretty useful. Shadowplay and its updater makes it easy to update drivers and record lossless gameplay with no performance hit.

it can get pretty blaotware like with the 'official release' form beta... where they now force online login and integration (why is everyone doing that now?) and it does a bunch of other ♥♥♥♥ i disabled cuz it just wants ot use up recorces... BUT ATLEAST YOU CAN DISABLE IT ALL.. thus making it nolonger bloatware, as all it does is the sexy shadowplay and the updater which does grab udates directly form the devs/website. however some updates are kinda 'experemental' so i geenrally wait for a freind to test it for a fyew days befor i update (saved me many a crashes and complete driver re-installs)... guinea pi.. imean FRIENDS are nice to have.

[Kaihekoa]

There's no other solution. You probably messed the system up when you changed the hardware and didn't do a clean installation of Windows. Back up important stuff, format/reinstall OS+drivers, and everything will be fine.

[Washell]

SoulTechnology の投稿を引用：

My Specs:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070

Freinds Specs:
EVGA GTX 980Ti

The 980Ti has a slight edge over the 1070 when it comes to gaming. On paper, you should not be doing better than your friend. It's top of the line previous gen vs second best current gen.

That said, you shouldn't be doing as worse as you're doing now either. Easiest way to start fixing it is a clean reinstall.

[Ven]

Sometimes win10 force installs old gpu drivers, I've had to use the group policy editor to stop (after fresh gpu driver installs) windows update force installs. Just use the hardware ids: Local Group Policy Editor/Administrative Templates/System/Device Installation/Device Installation Rescritions/. Then edit the "Prevent installation of devices that match any of these device ID's" Add your grfx card hardware ID and maybe even monitor. This will prevent win10 from force downgrading your drivers etc.

[chiefputsilao✖️ping]

monitor res of OP pc vs monitor res of friend PC?

[SoulTechnology]

Washell の投稿を引用：

It's top of the line previous gen vs second best current gen.

really?... cuz i thought the 1070 was on paper identical to the Ti with some improvements in some places, leaving the 980 only better for now (ifnoring my unique situation) due to having highly optimised software since its older. the fact its 2nd best fo the enxt gen means nothing as the 1080 is built to be better then them all but really only shows this if your into 3d gaming which im not hence why i dint get it. also my cpu is 'technically' better then his.

chiefputsi✖️ping の投稿を引用：

monitor res of OP pc vs monitor res of friend PC?

we both run run 1080p on every game... exept warthudner and elite where we run 200% supersalmeing becouse we can. again, we tested almost all fo our games for the compared fps on the same graphical settings to proove a point that '♥♥♥♥ just broke'.

Ven の投稿を引用：

Sometimes win10 force installs old gpu drivers,

ive checked and my current driver isnt much further behind the current driver on gfe, + this has been a problem for seevral months so it shoudlent be any 'new' or 'old' graphical drivers at this point and this much persistance.

[Reddy]

Is his CPU overclocked and yours not? Video driver issues? Are you absolutely 100% sure you're running the same settings & resolution as him? Sometimes video games have extra graphics settings outside of the normal menu. For example, GTA V. There's Graphics options, but then there's Advanced Graphics options.

[SoulTechnology]

Feyrom の投稿を引用：

Is his CPU overclocked and yours not? Video driver issues? Are you absolutely 100% sure you're running the same settings & resolution as him? Sometimes video games have extra graphics settings outside of the normal menu. For example, GTA V. There's Graphics options, but then there's Advanced Graphics options.

right... i know it support rule 1 is assume the customer is an idiot so ill give the critisim... but just check my game list... if any of them on there have multiplayer (several... 100?) weve played em together.... yes, our setting are the same.... we go into the most advanced options we can find and max everything on every game we find (exept arma ♥♥♥♥ arma max its worse then crysis) and we lol about this asw e do this and if theres a setting one of us finds we tell the other... im pretty certain we know eachtohers specs and know eachothers settings.

no hes not overclocked... even if it was i think my cpu came overclocked (not to sure here, all i know is we did extensive stat comparisons on very specific makes and models of cpu and mine 'currenly' shoudl be more powerfull then his 'currently' even if by a small marjin)

even if his cpu was slightly better then mine and gpu slightly better then mine (which there not) i shouldent be getting HALF... yes HALF the performance... let alone the 1/3RD! i get sometimes... this new setup handles arma3 just like my old i3 eqivilent and 780 did...

also why does everyone use GTA as the stress test max gaming example? i know i thre it up there on stressfull but it hardly is... its just the first game i REALLY notice a difference bewteen me and him to where its annoying. ARMA 3 is the big kick in the ass and any toher game (sanbox/builder games mainly) that get intensive after a while hes running fine and im gouging my eyes out witha rusty spoon.

[Reddy]

SoulTechnology の投稿を引用：

Feyrom の投稿を引用：

Is his CPU overclocked and yours not? Video driver issues? Are you absolutely 100% sure you're running the same settings & resolution as him? Sometimes video games have extra graphics settings outside of the normal menu. For example, GTA V. There's Graphics options, but then there's Advanced Graphics options.

right... i know it support rule 1 is assume the customer is an idiot so ill give the critisim... but just check my game list... if any of them on there have multiplayer (several... 100?) weve played em together.... yes, our setting are the same.... we go into the most advanced options we can find and max everything on every game we find (exept arma ♥♥♥♥ arma max its worse then crysis) and we lol about this asw e do this and if theres a setting one of us finds we tell the other... im pretty certain we know eachtohers specs and know eachothers settings.

no hes not overclocked... even if it was i think my cpu came overclocked (not to sure here, all i know is we did extensive stat comparisons on very specific makes and models of cpu and mine 'currenly' shoudl be more powerfull then his 'currently' even if by a small marjin)

even if his cpu was slightly better then mine and gpu slightly better then mine (which there not) i shouldent be getting HALF... yes HALF the performance... let alone the 1/3RD! i get sometimes... this new setup handles arma3 just like my old i3 eqivilent and 780 did...

also why does everyone use GTA as the stress test max gaming example? i know i thre it up there on stressfull but it hardly is... its just the first game i REALLY notice a difference bewteen me and him to where its annoying. ARMA 3 is the big kick in the ass and any toher game (sanbox/builder games mainly) that get intensive after a while hes running fine and im gouging my eyes out witha rusty spoon.

Thanks for the wall of text.

The only things I can think of if all of that isn't the case, is that you have older drivers that aren't optimized, have different settings in the nvidia control panel, or you're thermal throttling. I think it's probably the latter, but who knows. I'm more of a hands on kind of guy when solving this stuff.

Good luck.

One more thing. Your PC isn't better. It's just different. The GTX 1070 is pretty much just a GTX 980ti with 2GB more VRAM (which doesn't matter much, really. 4GB-6GB is enough, even for 4K at this moment. Your CPU differences are pretty negligible as well. Clock for clock, it's a 15% (at best) difference.

[thommyknocker]

so reading though this after i went to sleep i have some more info tha tmight explane some things about his system.

• His current os 10 is still the version that was updated from win 7
  
• He has made major hardware changes with out a clean reinstall of os
  
• His drivers a more then likley newer then mine (just looked my video drivers are form 11/2/2016......should probably update thoes)
  
• i had oc my Cpu at one point in time then i started to have themal problems so i turned it back to stock speeds 4770k cpus are hot bastards
  
• just found this out last night he has no case fans left like at all

Feyrom の投稿を引用：

The GTX 1070 is pretty much just a GTX 980ti with 2GB more VRAM which doesn't matter much, really. 4GB-6GB is enough, even for 4K at this moment.

I am runing a 980ti that does have 6 gb of VRAM but as you said does not mean much at this point in time. The only game i have found that will actualy use all 6 gb of VRAM is GTA5 witch i have turned down to only use somewhere around 2Gb to fix loading issues i was having when flying around online mode.
I do think that a os reinstall every few years is a good thing and that is about time for him to do one. its easy with win 10 all you need is your product key and microsoft gives you the tool to burn your own win 10 install disk.

[Reddy]

thommyknocker の投稿を引用：

so reading though this after i went to sleep i have some more info tha tmight explane some things about his system.

• His current os 10 is still the version that was updated from win 7
  
• He has made major hardware changes with out a clean reinstall of os
  
• His drivers a more then likley newer then mine (just looked my video drivers are form 11/2/2016......should probably update thoes)
  
• i had oc my Cpu at one point in time then i started to have themal problems so i turned it back to stock speeds 4770k cpus are hot bastards
  
• just found this out last night he has no case fans left like at all

Feyrom の投稿を引用：

The GTX 1070 is pretty much just a GTX 980ti with 2GB more VRAM which doesn't matter much, really. 4GB-6GB is enough, even for 4K at this moment.

I am runing a 980ti that does have 6 gb of VRAM but as you said does not mean much at this point in time. The only game i have found that will actualy use all 6 gb of VRAM is GTA5 witch i have turned down to only use somewhere around 2Gb to fix loading issues i was having when flying around online mode.
I do think that a os reinstall every few years is a good thing and that is about time for him to do one. its easy with win 10 all you need is your product key and microsoft gives you the tool to burn your own win 10 install disk.

So basically he's just a system neglecting noob. That would do it.

[SoulTechnology]

thommyknocker の投稿を引用：

• just found this out last night he has no case fans left like at all
  .

ok, no case fans is pretty bad, but im not thermal throttleing as i watch my temp almots 24/7 (one of the binifits of having spare monitors laying aorund).

and spare minotors shouldent be the problem as moth me and thommy are running with 2 monitos and again, a problem this consistant for 3-4 months now wouldnt be from inconsistant secondary monitor use.

and yea my dirvers are newer, im only 10 versions behind on nividea but for nividea thats about a month of updates i do belive.... just gonna wipe the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ next week when unis finished and im back from visiting family... might load up the mighty n64 for a bit. as far as 'other solutions' so far theya ll seem to be covered by a clean wipe -> install eveyr last dirver fresh i can think of stright from the manufacturer -> toggle all the options i can find in the darkest corners of windows.

hopefulyl wipe will also solve my problem where i cant defrag my terrabye HD (WD velociraptor 1tb). as every time i try to drafgment it it become more fragmented... which could eb ADDING to the problem but i highly doubt is causing it since it was only 2% fragmented 2 motnhs ago vs 14% it is now (was 6% befor defragmenting it last, probably a problem with running low on spare space is my guess.)

[MancSoulja]

The 980 Ti's memory bus is nearly 50% faster than the 1070's.

384-bit compared to the 1070's 256-bit bus. That will have more of an impact on performance at 1080p than the extra 2GB of Vram.

If you play at 1440p+ you may start to see the 1070 pull away a little. But the bottom line is both cards are pretty much identical in terms of performance.

[Bibo1]

Are you both running the games at the same settings? Make sure DSR (or whatever the oversampling is called there) is switched off, either directly in the Nvidia driver settings or Geforce Experience. My brother GTX970 drivers were updated by GE and it was switched on by default. He was wondering why his fps had suddenly worsened.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/dynamic-super-resolution-instantly-improves-your-games-with-4k-quality-graphics

[SoulTechnology]

Bibo1 の投稿を引用：

Are you both running the games at the same settings? Make sure DSR (or whatever the oversampling is called there) is switched off,

cant blame you for not keeping up with walls of text weve been chucking around here but yea, were on the same settings. and the hardware were running on the games were running settings realisticly shouldent matter epseshally by the 50% margin of fps were tlaking about here.

however since your just about the 3rd person to blame this on windows and gfe background settings ima do antoher pass at digging for hidden options to see if theres anything new AFTER i do a wipe to ensure it doesnt cause any more problems.

for the record i ahve GFE set to only do what i tell it to, no settings are changes wihtought me changing them (game graphics) and updates are only installed and applied when i tell them to (cus nothing beats random background updates ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ everything.)