Anti-aliasing assistance needed - GTX 1070

[Ed Fire]

Hey everyone,

First off, I've posted this on Nvidia's own forum, but they're being a tad tardy in replying.

Secondly, I've never been an expert in this, but I need a little help.

I have an Acer Predator 15 with a GTX 1070 graphics card. I've got it set to "Quality" in the Nvidia control panel, but I'm still getting stripey lines in games (including Prey and Outlast 2). As this is a top of the range graphics card, I'm surprised it's looking worse than the console version of the games.

Screenshots here:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4myiek0bkto2pd/Prey%201.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/volxbkzx4u1mri2/Prey%202.png?dl=0


I'm confident it's simply a settings issue, but they're remarkably complex. Can anyone help?

Best wishes,

Ed

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well for one, those screenshots are over-compressed all to hell.
Save them as un-compressed PNG
Like you can do with MSI Afterburner for example.
To ensure we see them un-changed and original, try uploading to IMGUR.com

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

vsync is off?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Anivia:

vsync is off?

That doesn't matter

[Ed Fire]

Originally posted by Bad_Motha:

Well for one, those screenshots are over-compressed all to hell.
Save them as un-compressed PNG
Like you can do with MSI Afterburner for example.
To ensure we see them un-changed and original, try uploading to IMGUR.com

Thanks for the quick reply. I've updated the the links in the original post. They're now PNG files taken directly from the game (using alt + F1 with Geforce Experience). I've swapped the one of the building as motion blur in the game made it a little useless.

Any better?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

That's normally how most games will look.

What in-game settings are you using?

[Ed Fire]

Originally posted by Bad_Motha:

That's normally how most games will look.

What in-game settings are you using?

Max settings for everything (in all games). I'm just surprised that console versions look perfect, but the PC (super race) has to suffer with blocky graphics. Don't get me wrong, the graphics overall look very good, but I'm still surprised that they fall down in this way still..

[Revelene]

Are you sure that you have the game running at your native resolution?

[Supafly]

Originally posted by Ed Fire:

Originally posted by Bad_Motha:

That's normally how most games will look.

What in-game settings are you using?

Max settings for everything (in all games). I'm just surprised that console versions look perfect, but the PC (super race) has to suffer with blocky graphics. Don't get me wrong, the graphics overall look very good, but I'm still surprised that they fall down in this way still..

Still doesn't answer the question what settings are you using? Max settings is fine but doesn't tell us everything. I for one have no clue as I own neither of the games you mentioned.

What resolution, native, reduced or higher using Nvidia DSR?
What type of AA are you using when you say maxed?

[Ed Fire]

Originally posted by Supafly:

Still doesn't answer the question what settings are you using? Max settings is fine but doesn't tell us everything. I for one have no clue as I own neither of the games you mentioned.

What resolution, native, reduced or higher using Nvidia DSR?
What type of AA are you using when you say maxed?

Fair comment. Ok, here you go:

Video settings for Prey (as example):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/091lv8hn9x92g65/Prey%20%282017%29%2006.06.2017%20-%2014.13.15.11.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8n8ms2wead1y58/Prey%20%282017%29%2006.06.2017%20-%2014.13.27.12.png?dl=0

Settings for Nvidia Console (default for "quality"):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t92q07dygk9350q/Nvidia%20console%201.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/40i2pk7bi35cf2b/Nvidia%20console%202.jpg?dl=0

Native screen resolution (1920 x 1080):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/njoa4x9spz67dql/Resolution.jpg?dl=0

Does that help?

[Supafly]

Originally posted by Ed Fire:

Originally posted by Supafly:

Still doesn't answer the question what settings are you using? Max settings is fine but doesn't tell us everything. I for one have no clue as I own neither of the games you mentioned.

What resolution, native, reduced or higher using Nvidia DSR?
What type of AA are you using when you say maxed?

Fair comment. Ok, here you go:

Video settings for Prey (as example):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/091lv8hn9x92g65/Prey%20%282017%29%2006.06.2017%20-%2014.13.15.11.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8n8ms2wead1y58/Prey%20%282017%29%2006.06.2017%20-%2014.13.27.12.png?dl=0

Settings for Nvidia Console (default for "quality"):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t92q07dygk9350q/Nvidia%20console%201.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/40i2pk7bi35cf2b/Nvidia%20console%202.jpg?dl=0

Native screen resolution (1920 x 1080):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/njoa4x9spz67dql/Resolution.jpg?dl=0

Does that help?

Hopefully.

First your settings in Nvidia control panel show you have Anti-aliasing mode set to 'Override any apllication setting' which may conflict with ingame settings, it shouldn't as it should over ride but bugs and glitches do happen. So set all Nvidia control panel Antialiasing/FXAA to OFF or defaults, at least for now while trying things.

Then try adjusting Anti-aliasing in-game increase the levels 2x 4x etc and also change types SMAA to other types to see if any look better without a hit to you fps. Try to find a balance of looking good and performing good. Your G-Sync capable display will likely compensate for some drops in fps without you noticing.

[hawkeye]

I put as much as possible to "application controlled" or "off" in the control panel settings as games often have their own mechanisms for applying graphic adjustments other than what dx provides.

Maybe try turning game settings off then enable them one at a time.

Many games have graphic optimization tips on the web including Nvidia's website.

Another potential problem is that many games are written for consoles and then converted to the pc, which isn't always that successful.

Have you looked at any pc videos of the game you are having problems with?

edit:

this one says use "app controlled" for AA and AF

http://www.tweakguides.com/Prey_3.html

[Ed Fire]

Thank you both massively for your help. I'm going to give these all a try, and will let you know what the outcome is! You both rock!

Hey gents,

Thanks for all your help. I can see what a difference it has made, and I'm chuffed.

I tell you what, though... this playing around has brought DSR to my attention, and that's making a huge difference. I'm currently playing around to balance FPS and anti-aliasing to strike the best balance.

:o)

[Supafly]

Cool, glad its helped.

If you're using DSR you can reduce the Anti-Aliasing or even turn it off at some resolutions. Just keep playing around till you find whats best for you.

This is both the bonus of Playing on PC but also a time consuming cost. Gets easier once you get used to what does what and what you prefer.

[Ed Fire]

Originally posted by Supafly:

Cool, glad its helped.

If you're using DSR you can reduce the Anti-Aliasing or even turn it off at some resolutions. Just keep playing around till you find whats best for you.

This is both the bonus of Playing on PC but also a time consuming cost. Gets easier once you get used to what does what and what you prefer.

You're spot on, and I feel this sums up exactly where I am as a user: equipped with decent tech, but completely clueless. I genuinely appreciate your help with this. Thanks for taking the time out to help.

One small question to finish: clearly Nvidia's Geforce Experience only allows DSR with certain games. Is it possible to force DSR for "unsupported" games?

Have a great day :o)

Now I've answered this one myself: yes. As long as the game supports a higher resolution, it should detect DSR settings and offer those higher resolutions!

[Supafly]

You can unistall Geforce experience if you want, you can actually choose not to install it when you installed drivers. It is needed for their tablet/streaming stuff but purely for gaming on your actual system it is not needed. Just update you drivers manually. I go weeks, even months without updating mine without any problems. I only update to the newest version if I've bought a recently released game as drivers tend to have fixes and improvements specifically for them.

To turn on DSR capability
Nvidias Control Panel > Manage 3d Settings > Global > DSR - Factors > Tick options you want.
Nvidias Control Panel > Manage 3d Settings > Global > DSR - Smoothness > adjust to your liking

You could do this on a game by game basis
Nvidias Control Panel > Manage 3d Settings > Progam Settings > Select game >DSR - Factors but it's much easier and quick to just do it in Global.

Once applied these newer resolutions will/should appear in most games as options you can select and even your Desktop resolution. Possibly a way to force it on some games that this method doesn't work with but I can't help you with that as I'm not sure how.

If you've got a 1080p display the 1.78x option is 2560 x 1440p (my resolution) and 4.00x is 4k resolution. Keep in mind that rendering higher will need more GPU power, and may need some ingame settings to actually be reduced to maintain good FPS. I'd stop at 1.78x maybe 2.00x max if you want to keep setting in modern games high. You could go 4k in less intensive games, as with anti aliasing it's triel and error to find whats best.

Again, the more you experiment the faster you'll get at knowing what can do with your system, what uses more resources and what your happy to sacrifice to keep another setting high.