AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, Intel i7 7700k or wait?

[Push]

What processor should I use in my new build ? I mainly game.

[Omega]

For gaming only get the 7700k.

[tacoshy]

yeah between those 2 choose the 7700K. The 1800X is not supported by most games which means that nearly no game can take advantage of the 8/16 cores. And some games like Anno 2070 even has huge performance loss (about 40% compared to 7700K) in game.

For pure gaming even the 7700K is not needed. Mass Effect Andromeda is the game that uses most of my CPU and even then it stays below 40% usage. The only reason to take the Ryzen 7 is for working with videos or animation when you need to render e.g.


And dont listen to the AMD-Fanboys that tell you that the Ryzen 7 will be futureproof. It might be required in more then 5 years but anyone who buys his hardware with the intention to use it in 5 or more years cant be taken serios.

[Push]

Thanks makes sense!

Do you all know if the future processors. The ones coming out in August will use the same socket as a i7 7700k or will I need to buy a whole new motherboard ?

[Omega]

Push původně napsal:

Thanks makes sense!

Do you all know if the future processors. The ones coming out in August will use the same socket as a i7 7700k or will I need to buy a whole new motherboard ?

Coffee lake will use socket LGA1151 but this PC will be solid for at least 3-4 years before you need to upgrade so it doesn't really matter.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

if you can wait for 6 core intel it might be better than being stuck with a good 4 core i7 for a few years when games use more cores later

[Push]

Thanks everyone! I have a lot to decide on!

[tacoshy]

Fumoffu původně napsal:

if you can wait for 6 core intel it might be better than being stuck with a good 4 core i7 for a few years when games use more cores later

If I understand it right then you are suggest he should wait for a 6 core cpu instead of taking a good 4/8 core? Well then we are back to futureproof which really cant be taken serios as nobody knows how long it will actually take to require more then 4 ht cores. my guess would be more then 5 years as we not even closely use all of the cpu power yet for games.

[Meurock460]

Both are solid choices for gaming. I'd probably say between the 2 the 7700k currently takes the lead in most titles. It should last you several years as well and has the added benefit of being overclockable.

tacoshy původně napsal:

anyone who buys his hardware with the intention to use it in 5 or more years cant be taken serios.

I don't see a problem with going slightly overkill on a CPU to get 5 or more years out of it. Got nearly 7 years out of my i7 930 so far and even today there isn't any game out there that it can't run.

Unless we start seeing big performance increases with each new generation, its not that hard to get 5 years out of a platform.

[tacoshy]

Meurock372 původně napsal:

Both are solid choices for gaming. I'd probably say between the 2 the 7700k currently takes the lead in most titles. It should last you several years as well and has the added benefit of being overclockable.

tacoshy původně napsal:

anyone who buys his hardware with the intention to use it in 5 or more years cant be taken serios.

I don't see a problem with going slightly overkill on a CPU to get 5 or more years out of it. Got nearly 7 years out of my i7 so far and even today there isn't any game out there that it can't run.

Unless we start seeing big performance increases with each new generation, its not that hard to get 5 years out of a platform.

you missed the point. it was not about that the hardware last 5 years it was about that maybe in 5 years that hardware becomes minimal requirement. I ment that some ppl think that you need to buy a 8/16 because it might becomes a must in the future.

[tacoshy]

Fumoffu původně napsal:

actually all of my computers are built to last 5 years or so.

q6600 with hd6750 (from parents lasted 5 years or so)
fx8120 with hd 7950 (2011?)
ryzen 1700 with gtx 1070 (2017)

yeah so did mine. But what i said was: dont by an octa core now because in 5 or more years you might gonna need one...

[DarkStarClassic]

Two totally different CPU'S why you even ASK???

[Omega]

DarkStarClassic původně napsal:

Two totally different CPU'S why you even ASK???

Yes and no. 7700k is best for gaming and the 1800x (just get 1700 and OC) is best for streaming/rendering. OP doesn't know that that is why he asked.

[DarkStarClassic]

Many are lying here btw probably Intel rabid fanboys.

1800x is good gaming CPU it just not as fast as 7700k but it excel in everything else.

1800x future proof 7700k is not.

[Omega]

DarkStarClassic původně napsal:

Many are lying here btw probably Intel rabid fanboys.

1800x is good gaming CPU it just not as fast as 7700k but it excel in everything else.

1800x future proof 7700k is not.

The 1800x is a great gaming CPU but the 7700k wil preform better if the PC is only used for gaming. And OP probably wants whatever gives him the most FPS. OP doesn't do rendering or streaming so the extra cores on a 1800x are useless to him.

Intel fanboys? hahaha! If OP wanted to do steaming then I would have told him to get a r7 1700. Ryzen CPUs are great and finally bring some competition to the market.

What are you 10 years old? "ma ps4 is betta then yo Xbox.." come one please..

[tacoshy]

DarkStarClassic původně napsal:

Many are lying here btw probably Intel rabid fanboys.

1800x is good gaming CPU it just not as fast as 7700k but it excel in everything else.

1800x future proof 7700k is not.

and there we have exactly what i ment with ppl that cant be taken serios. Its a fact backed up my many test that ryzen 7 in pure gaming often is weaker then the 7700k. also that thy ryzen is better at rendering which does not matter as it is not a requirement of the OP.

But how is the ryzen 7 futureproof when AMD has a long fail list and is often not supported and optimized for games? Is it futureproof because it has 8 cores? when do we actually will need 8 cores? imho not befor 5-6 years and by that time you surely dont want a ryzen 7 anymore...