Undo Trade to prevent scamming

[Candy Man]

Recently, I have been trading items to complete some sets.
I have encountered people that are fooling trades.
So I've thought that after the "Offering Window", there should be an "Undo Trade Button"
so people can check their trades and decide to "Undo" or "Finish" it.

Note: A "Report Button" will be very efficient after every trade.

[Marble]

You have to click twice to complete a trade, this is already enough protection against scams.

If you don't want what they are offering, you should not be clicking that you agree to the trade, let alone twice!

[Candy Man]

i am aware of that, it's not me that got scammed. the enough protection you were saying is not quite enough. there are people that can psychologically fool some traders.

Originally posted by Canti:

You have to click twice to complete a trade, this is already enough protection against scams.

If you don't want what they are offering, you should not be clicking that you agree to the trade, let alone twice!

[Marble]

Originally posted by Candy Man:

i am aware of that, it's not me that got scammed. the enough protection you were saying is not quite enough. there are people that can psychologically fool some traders.

Originally posted by Canti:

You have to click twice to complete a trade, this is already enough protection against scams.

If you don't want what they are offering, you should not be clicking that you agree to the trade, let alone twice!

Please enlighten me as to how. You are given the opportunity to view what you're getting and confirm a trade twice. Steam's support pages clearly state "all trades are final and cannot be reversed".

[Lone Wolfe (Hoover1979)]

Canti's right

[The Prophet DJ Khaled]

Most people who are scammers are people with game keys...happened to me so I'm never accepting game keys again :/

[Lone Wolfe (Hoover1979)]

nor am I. I have heard Sooo many true stories of people being taken to the cleaners by scammers giving them fake keys for their entire inventory.

[The Prophet DJ Khaled]

Luckily I traded a game I already owned and really didn't want, so that wasn't too bad but Steam should do something about it because I'm sure I'm one of the more lucky ones who has run into a scammer.

[Meatbug]

Originally posted by Candy Man:

i am aware of that, it's not me that got scammed. the enough protection you were saying is not quite enough. there are people that can psychologically fool some traders.

Originally posted by Canti:

You have to click twice to complete a trade, this is already enough protection against scams.

If you don't want what they are offering, you should not be clicking that you agree to the trade, let alone twice!

A double opt in IS enough. Just because people are greedy and can't wait to get whatever they were promised before, doesn't mean the protection is lacking.
It's the people itself who are not willing to pay more attention and are not aware enough on their trades.

[ KARR™]

Originally posted by Peanut Butter Jelly Time!:

nor am I. I have heard Sooo many true stories of people being taken to the cleaners by scammers giving them fake keys for their entire inventory.

You CAN'T trade game keys via Steam, so there is nothing that can be done for the people that do this. As it is, you get a TEXT history of what items are added/removed, etc. You get the icons in the trade window that lets you hover and see what they are, you have to click 'accept' once to say you are happy with the items that are in the boxes, if any of them change, the text window tells you it has changes and you have to re-select 'accept'. You then have to click accept AGAIN to say you are finally happy.

If people rush though and say "ohhh i mis-read it as..." then why on earth did they click 'accept' twice.

A 'reverse' button could cause problems for people who trade a lot. They trade something and a few seconds trade it elsewhere, then they trade it elsewhere. What if one person in this chain 'reverses it'? What happens to the people after that? Do they ALL get reversed? That's going to create a LOT of support calls!

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by KARR:

A 'reverse' button could cause problems for people who trade a lot. They trade something and a few seconds trade it elsewhere, then they trade it elsewhere. What if one person in this chain 'reverses it'? What happens to the people after that? Do they ALL get reversed? That's going to create a LOT of support calls!

Imagine the scenario.
User A trades for a TF2 MannCo-Key from User B
User A trades the key for a hat from User C
User C uses The key to open a TF2 Crate.
User C gets a $200 Unusual out of the crate.
All that can happen within minutes, specially if you use the marketplace.
Now B 'rolls back' the trade.
What now?

It's stated very clear on the Steam Trading Policy

Why will Steam not return items that were scammed?

During the trade process, Steam asks you to confirm your trade multiple times.
It is your responsibility to review the items that you are trading.
You first confirm the trade by checking the box that states, "Check this box when ready to trade". Once checked, you cannot add any items to the trade. If you remove an item you will have to re-check the box to confirm that you are ready.
Once both users in the trade have checked this box, the final confirmation button will turn green.
Both users must click this button to complete the trade.
A log of the trade is also kept in a separate chat box within the trade window.

A Rollback button would do more harm than good.

[eram]

Well you do have to accept it twice before the trade is final. Steps 6-7-8

Originally posted by Canti:

Originally posted by Candy Man:

i am aware of that, it's not me that got scammed. the enough protection you were saying is not quite enough. there are people that can psychologically fool some traders.

Please enlighten me as to how. You are given the opportunity to view what you're getting and confirm a trade twice. Steam's support pages clearly state "all trades are final and cannot be reversed".

1. Open your Friends list, located in the lower right hand corner of the Steam client

2. Click on the small arrow next to the friend you wish to invite to Trade and click on Invite to Trade

Alternatively, if you are chatting with your friend you can start a trade from the chat window by clicking on the large arrow and selecting Invite to Trade:

3. Once accepted the trade window will appear where you can view your items, games, and coupons available to trade.

4. Select the appropriate backpack you wish to view from the dropdown menu on the left

5. Click and drag the item, game, or coupon you wish to trade from your backpack to your trade window. If you wish to remove an item, game, or coupon simply drag it back to your backpack from the trade window.

6. Click on Ready to Trade and wait for the other party to click on Ready to Trade.

7. Verify the contents of the trade are correct by hovering your mouse over each item and reading the item details.

8. Click on Make Trade - Once you click this button the trade cannot be undone!

9. The trade will finish processing and you will receive a confirmation window with what items, games, or coupons you received in the trade.

[Fly Guy]

Originally posted by Candy Man:

the enough protection you were saying is not quite enough. there are people that can psychologically fool some traders.

"Pschologically fool some traders." ROTFLMFAO!

There will also be stupid and gullible people in the world and there is nothing you can do to save them. Any amount of protection offered them them is entirely futile.

You didn't get ripped off (although I highly doubt it that you are speaking for this other person but rather for youself) so don't make them your problem since you CAN'T help them anyways!

[Candy Man]

Conclusions

• Scammers exist because of the so called "stupid and gullible people"
  
• Many people can't do anything about the matter. (Hope steam police will be more aware)
  
• Many people don't read.
  
• Adding another security level window will lead to huge change of the system, and will bring more traffics in the transaction database of Steam (Im an IT person so I know how hard it will be)
  
• I enjoyed my post. hahaha and for the record, again, It's me that got scammed. (I read a lot)
  
• Canti's right

[Lostedge]

The trade window is clunky and slow. That itself is a security issue.

[Marble]

Originally posted by Hyperion:

The trade window is clunky and slow. That itself is a security issue.

It is not an issue. No matter how slow it is, you always get the opportunity to look at what you're getting before you accept.