Murdèr M¡tténs 2013 年 6 月 20 日 下午 11:15
Steam/Valve taking its customer needs seriously --- Really?
Hello all,

I don't know about you but every single issue I have had with Steam that requires support has been a complete nightmare.

The cut and paste method of telling people how YOU CAN'T HELP them is completely ridiculous, then when asked to escalate the issue and being told "NO ONE IS IN CHARGE" honestly they told me this and shows a general disregard to us the CUSTOMERS and THEY KNOW THIS and simply don't give a sh*t.

Valve/Steam needs to take a good hard look at how they want to be perceived by us the people who pay their salaries - because running their support division as one of the worst customer support teams I have encountered is not going to be allowed to continue.

I would start by restructuring and building a division that is worthy of the largest software / gaming distribution channels of all time. Now some may disagree but here is what I would do.

1. Fire the management team that has allowed this cluster F**k to happen (this will shake the support team to their core which they need)
2. QA the entire staff and see whois actually fit for a support roll and who needs to go pound sand.
3. Retrain EVERYONE that is left over including none support teams. (everyone at Steam/Valve needs to learn without us THEY Don't exist)

I would offer both phone and email support with SAME DAY RESPONSE! Perhaps a pay option because honestly if you're a technology company and you're not responding same day you are actually offering a complete and total disservice to your customers.

Now I understand that Valve/Steam will probably take this down due to not wanting to hear what they already know but honestly guys we support you and you need to start SUPPORTING US!!!

Good Day,
Tat
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Murdèr M¡tténs 2013 年 6 月 22 日 上午 11:25 
My latest issue was with Shogun 2 I was gifted a version that I thought included a DLC pak which it didn't. Second issue was I also received a 75% off coupon which wasn't working so I could gift the same game to someone else.

First thing they simply did not pay attention to my support questions of why it wasn't working? Then when they did the coupon had expired and though they understood the frustration and all but could do nothing. I called them on it and even though they kept running me around in circles with the cut and paste method of support I got the issue addressed via corp.

But to me the deeper issue with Steam/Valve is the way in which they support their customers is an actual disservice - "I know because I myself made many of these same mistakes" I ran a team of over 2000 support agents and learned some valuable lessons in the process which in the end won us the support team of the year.

As Mr. Miyagi would say "You either support your customers or YOU DON'T! there is no in between - otherwise get squashed just like grape.





So what was the problem exactly? After 2 huge wall of text rant, I did not detect the problem you are facing.
Marble 2013 年 6 月 22 日 上午 11:34 
引用自 Puddy_Tat
My latest issue was with Shogun 2 I was gifted a version that I thought included a DLC pak which it didn't.
Unless the store page for what you got given specifically states it came with DLC, then there's nothing support can do about it.
Murdèr M¡tténs 2013 年 6 月 22 日 下午 12:46 
Hi Zefar,

You have a great point here and yes I understand they have had explosive growth, but that doesn't excuse the Wimpy Support method of "I'll pay you Tuesday for a burger today!" Now from experience they may not be wanting to spend the extra cash it will take to support their customers properly or maybe they simply don't know how to support this large of an operation?

In any event the reasons why don't allow to simply shirk their responsibility to us the customers in my opinion.

Regards,
Tat



引用自 Zefar
Valve got about double the active userbase in just under 2 years from 3 million to 6 million. It just isn't possible to handle that without just having a ton of people working for the support department.

Unlike most companies they get questions about EVERY game on Steam. They will also get questions about problems for games they do not code and the users will most likely not mention the game at first.

I know of plenty of companies that don't answer in the first day as well.



Murdèr M¡tténs 2013 年 6 月 22 日 下午 12:51 
Agreed, it did state it came with another DLC pak - so that part of the issue was resolved after being run around.


引用自 Canti
引用自 Puddy_Tat
My latest issue was with Shogun 2 I was gifted a version that I thought included a DLC pak which it didn't.
Unless the store page for what you got given specifically states it came with DLC, then there's nothing support can do about it.
Murdèr M¡tténs 2013 年 6 月 22 日 下午 1:25 
Hey Delph,

You are right I don't understand a company not having anyone in charge and have seen the results of this very thing. Now everyone being equal lends itself to a cluster f*ck operation hence the messed up support operation.

It's great if you are an employee because once you get in to the commune your set, and if you are a lazy employee hell you're in hog heaven because you can dig in for the long haul and milk it for everything it's worth.

Regards,
Tat

引用自 Delph
You really don't understand the management structure of Valve - there are no managers or bosses or anything like that. Everyone is truly equal which is a very unique situation for a corporation. That has both good and bad aspects but it does mean that there is no escalation process. Also they have no desire to split the company so everyone works in the same building which places a physical limit on the number of employees.

I'm not saying this to defend Valve - their support system could use some improvement but a lot of your suggestions would not fit their corporate ethos. The rate at which steam is growing is outstripping the support staff but there is no easy fix
Delph 2013 年 6 月 22 日 下午 2:33 
引用自 Puddy_Tat
Hey Delph,

You are right I don't understand a company not having anyone in charge and have seen the results of this very thing. Now everyone being equal lends itself to a cluster f*ck operation hence the messed up support operation.

It's great if you are an employee because once you get in to the commune your set, and if you are a lazy employee hell you're in hog heaven because you can dig in for the long haul and milk it for everything it's worth.

Regards,
Tat

It is a very unusual corporate structure. You should take a look at the valve company handbook (just google it) and read it - its a fascinating read. There are processes in place to handle lazy employees - you can still be fired but they generally get around that by only hiring the best employees (the pay is definitely above industry average). The whole system however has major flaws - its impossible to expand rapidly to cover the rapid growth in steam users and it can lead to a lack of focus on key areas like customer service etc that might benefit from a more hierarchical approach.

Personally I think Valve would be best served by outsourcing their support division - it would allow the company to focus on their core areas rather than on support and would ideally speed up the whole system. This is a fairly major step however and I'm not sure how well this would tie in with Valve's corporate ethos.
whereintheworldischaris 2013 年 6 月 22 日 下午 4:39 
引用自 Puddy_Tat
Hello all,

I don't know about you but every single issue I have had with Steam that requires support has been a complete nightmare.

The cut and paste method of telling people how YOU CAN'T HELP them is completely ridiculous, then when asked to escalate the issue and being told "NO ONE IS IN CHARGE" honestly they told me this and shows a general disregard to us the CUSTOMERS and THEY KNOW THIS and simply don't give a sh*t.

Valve/Steam needs to take a good hard look at how they want to be perceived by us the people who pay their salaries - because running their support division as one of the worst customer support teams I have encountered is not going to be allowed to continue.

I would start by restructuring and building a division that is worthy of the largest software / gaming distribution channels of all time. Now some may disagree but here is what I would do.

1. Fire the management team that has allowed this cluster F**k to happen (this will shake the support team to their core which they need)
2. QA the entire staff and see whois actually fit for a support roll and who needs to go pound sand.
3. Retrain EVERYONE that is left over including none support teams. (everyone at Steam/Valve needs to learn without us THEY Don't exist)

I would offer both phone and email support with SAME DAY RESPONSE! Perhaps a pay option because honestly if you're a technology company and you're not responding same day you are actually offering a complete and total disservice to your customers.

Now I understand that Valve/Steam will probably take this down due to not wanting to hear what they already know but honestly guys we support you and you need to start SUPPORTING US!!!

Good Day,
Tat

This company is a joke, I have been trying to get a complaint resolved since April and all I get is an autobot "your query has been passed on to the relevant department" mail and then the next time I log on my query has been closed!!!! How do you get an answer from these people????
Tito Shivan 2013 年 6 月 22 日 下午 4:45 
This company is a joke, I have been trying to get a complaint resolved since April and all I get is an autobot "your query has been passed on to the relevant department" mail and then the next time I log on my query has been closed!!!! How do you get an answer from these people????
What is that complaint if i may ask?
Murdèr M¡tténs 2013 年 6 月 22 日 下午 5:19 
Delph,

The system as a whole has major flaws and I totally agreed on restructuring the support division!

This would begin by bringing in those that actually know what it is to support a customer base. Also you don't want to expand willy nilly you do it in stages until you gauge your customers needs.

As for the support division tying in with Valves corp. ethos perhaps not tying in would be a GOOD thing?

I will read this valve manual on what it is to be a valve head but I can't promise to drink the cool-aid.

also keep in mind there is no such thing as a perfect employee hire they are not manufactured and without structure or direction guess what happens - NOTHING GOOD from my exp.

Tat
Murdèr M¡tténs 2013 年 6 月 22 日 下午 9:06 
whereintheworld, goto http://www.valvesoftware.com/email.php start picking names and send the same message to each and everyone of these guys one will reply and then don't let them push the issue under the rug!


good luck!

引用自 Puddy_Tat
Hello all,

I don't know about you but every single issue I have had with Steam that requires support has been a complete nightmare.

The cut and paste method of telling people how YOU CAN'T HELP them is completely ridiculous, then when asked to escalate the issue and being told "NO ONE IS IN CHARGE" honestly they told me this and shows a general disregard to us the CUSTOMERS and THEY KNOW THIS and simply don't give a sh*t.

Valve/Steam needs to take a good hard look at how they want to be perceived by us the people who pay their salaries - because running their support division as one of the worst customer support teams I have encountered is not going to be allowed to continue.

I would start by restructuring and building a division that is worthy of the largest software / gaming distribution channels of all time. Now some may disagree but here is what I would do.

1. Fire the management team that has allowed this cluster F**k to happen (this will shake the support team to their core which they need)
2. QA the entire staff and see whois actually fit for a support roll and who needs to go pound sand.
3. Retrain EVERYONE that is left over including none support teams. (everyone at Steam/Valve needs to learn without us THEY Don't exist)

I would offer both phone and email support with SAME DAY RESPONSE! Perhaps a pay option because honestly if you're a technology company and you're not responding same day you are actually offering a complete and total disservice to your customers.

Now I understand that Valve/Steam will probably take this down due to not wanting to hear what they already know but honestly guys we support you and you need to start SUPPORTING US!!!

Good Day,
Tat

This company is a joke, I have been trying to get a complaint resolved since April and all I get is an autobot "your query has been passed on to the relevant department" mail and then the next time I log on my query has been closed!!!! How do you get an answer from these people????
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