Greenlight is TERRIBLE. Hey, someone has to say it

[Doomerang]

So obviously steam cares nothing about quality greenlighting trash like War Z while actual quality games like Inquisitor get left in the dust. That is all the proof you need to know that greenlight does NOT work and is just a popularity contest that has nothing to do with actual game quality. The only thing you acomplish is phasing out good games while the most shiny get greenlit. With the game developer conference in full swing with nintendo and sony opening their doors for indie developers valve better get a clue FAST.

Greenlight is awful, do something about it NOW before it's too late. Of course, your company pride will just get in the way and you won't listen to me and you will lose customers to nintendo and sony so whatever. But face it, War Z? the minute THAT abomination became greenlit your system became a laughing stock. A pathetic joke for gamers who actually like GOOD games to laugh at.

[Tito Shivan]

The WarZ debacle is soooo last month.
Besides, it has nothing to do with Greenlight, since the game didn't go through it.

[ManiacMal]

For one WarZ was never greenlit, that came in on it's own. The community had no say in making that come to life though I don't doubt they would. Greenlight is terrible because you are allowing the internet to make teh decisions that's what is terrible about it. So the stupid sh*t makes it through cause it's funny or totalBiscut did a vid on it. That being said there is some quality games that made it. I really don't think a voting system needs to exist, Valve should just do as they did, only let games through they think will make them a decent profit.

[schnitzeljaeger]

For as long as Jets'n'Guns isn't greenlit I concur :D

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Hashbrick：

I really don't think a voting system needs to exist, Valve should just do as they did, only let games through they think will make them a decent profit.

Valve built Greenlight in the first place because they didn't think doing what they'd been doing was the best idea. Seeing as the amount of games being released surely hasn't decreased, I don't expect they'll have reconsidered that position.

[ManiacMal]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 Hashbrick：

I really don't think a voting system needs to exist, Valve should just do as they did, only let games through they think will make them a decent profit.

Valve built Greenlight in the first place because they didn't think doing what they'd been doing was the best idea. Seeing as the amount of games being released surely hasn't decreased, I don't expect they'll have reconsidered that position.

Gabe already called Greenlight as it is a complete failure on their part, so I do expect them to at least alter the process in some form or shape.

[Gus the Crocodile]

I know. He also talked about making Steam an open publishing API of sorts. My point is he didn't suggest going back to the situation they were in before.

[Thordred]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

I know. He also talked about making Steam an open publishing API of sorts. My point is he didn't suggest going back to the situation they were in before.

Sounded more like he wants to go in the opposite direction. :D

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

I know. He also talked about making Steam an open publishing API of sorts. My point is he didn't suggest going back to the situation they were in before.

Some sort of 'Youtube' or 'Ebay' of gaming, where they only provide the backend infrastructure and anyone can join and sell/distribute... That move could blow really hard at Valve's face.
This reminded me of other thread i read about 'What could be the worse that could happen to Steam'... well, this move done wrong can do so much harm.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Yes, I'm sure they're aware of that. I mean they're not implementing it today, and they may not do it ever. If it's any kind of plan of theirs at all they'll be thinking hard about it before doing it.

But all the interesting decisions in life can go wrong. We hardly need more gaming companies that are paralysed by risk.

[Satoru]

The problem is where is the middle ground?

Look at Greenlight right now. Sure there are some great stuff in there. But look at some of the OTHER stuff. There's things on there even Desura wouldn't bother touching

And how do you use WarZ as an example. That makes no sense. If we go to the 'entirely open' system, then WarZ WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN ON STEAM. Along with a zillion other unobjectively terrible titles. WarZ is normally an example of how Steam should be MORE closed off and put up MORE walls for developers.

The point Gabe was trying to make is not that Greenlight is a failure (which he never said). It was, is there a way we can balance

1) Making it easier for devs to get onto Steam with as few barriers as possible

2) Opening it up entirely

3) Ensuring that you don't suffer the iOS store syndrome of it being flooded with thousands of copies of the 'same' game.

4) Ensuring that the quality of games on Steam is what people expect

Greenlight is their first attempt at solving ALL those problem SIMULTANEOUSLY. This is a difficult problem with entirely dimetrically opposed goals all of which have merits.

[ManiacMal]

引用自 Satoru：

The point Gabe was trying to make is not that Greenlight is a failure (which he never said). It was, is there a way we can balance.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/09/valve-gabe-newell-steam-greenlight/

If you can say you can completely do with out what you just built and that it's a bad example you are calling it a failure. He's just beating around the bush with the normal "meh I'm laid back and I can do with it or do without it, doesn't bother me" statements he makes all the time.

[Doomerang]

All right I admit I was hasty in thinking war z was a greenlight game, and that I freely admit to being butthurt that Inquisitor did not get greenlight. Greenlight sounds great as an IDEA and makes a fantastic first impression, but under neath all that make up is a popularity contest where what's popular is not always good. IDEA'S don't always make for a good game. I think its time for valve to be aware of its failure and do something different!

Also, I would like to thank you all for not accusing me of being a hateful troll. It just tears me up to see quality games made by small time developers that put everything in their games not get the attention they rightfully deserve!