Biometric Account Verification

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If Valve sold a piece of hardware that was necessary to record biometrics, like a finger print scanner or iris scanner, I'd buy it.

1. It'd stop all the scamming going on with people losing access and partial access to their accounts
2. Valve and other developers could use it for a KYC matchmaking that kept communities clean, free of alts, and FAIR
3. It'd just be cool. Your account would be secure and the future is here.

Listen, before the hive of "invasive" privacy concerns come along, I trust Valve has proper IT security for data like this. It'd be totally voluntary and if I can trust a company like Apple and Windows with the same kind of data, then I'm willing to trust Valve.

Valve has shown quite an interest in hardward development the last couple of years. I think they could really make a difference here if they chose this route. We're a quarter of the way into the 21st century. It's about time it feels like it.

[Crazy Tiger]

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Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

First world country here as well. With good privacy laws, though.

Edit: And no, I'm not making things up. Just because you don't like answers doesn't mean they're made up.

Bro, the world doesn't cater to you.

Same to you, love. And didn't you block me?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Messaggio originale di ?legit:

Such sensible data should never be required for gaming. The only solution is to get a modern console, like a playstation 5. You will not find any cheaters there. Even with bimetrics, people will find a way to trick the system (i.e. buying fake biometrics). Maybe Valve could invest more money into anti cheat by introducing a paid subscription for secure online gaming, so something like playstation plus.

There are plenty of cheaters on consoles as well.

[Satoru]

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Cheating is out of control, in the sense, you can't trust any of it. Cheaters have show where there's a will, there's a way and unfortunately trust is completely undermined.

Because biometrics only are useful as a whitelist technology. Not as a blacklist technology.

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Messaggio originale di Satoru:

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Cheating is out of control, in the sense, you can't trust any of it. Cheaters have show where there's a will, there's a way and unfortunately trust is completely undermined.

Because biometrics only are useful as a whitelist technology. Not as a blacklist technology.

Can you explain how biometrics could work if you could control the program?

[Max]

Bro u never heard of finger print scanner? Windows hello.

Actually ppl don't want send their fingerprint to valve otherwise they will use it for phones first instead of local fingers print.

Also there isn't anything unique in degtal world , wvry hacker can submit fake finger print.

[Crashed]

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Messaggio originale di Satoru:

Because biometrics only are useful as a whitelist technology. Not as a blacklist technology.

Can you explain how biometrics could work if you could control the program?

You can control a private key for your backend and have the clients use their FIDO2 compliant devices to attest their identity.

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Messaggio originale di '"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"':

Bro u never heard of finger print scanner? Windows hello.

Actually ppl don't want send their fingerprint to valve otherwise they will use it for phones first instead of local fingers print.

Also there isn't anything unique in degtal world , wvry hacker can submit fake finger print.

you can't fake fingerprints if there constantly asking for new ones at random times

[Max]

Listen, before the hive of "invasive" privacy concerns come along, I trust Valve has proper IT security for data like this. It'd be totally voluntary and if I can trust a company like Apple and Windows with the same kind of data, then I'm willing to trust Valve.

L who trust companies like his family? Also wat if they god hacked like what happened to some government and hospital system?

[Max]

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Messaggio originale di '"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"':

Bro u never heard of finger print scanner? Windows hello.

Actually ppl don't want send their fingerprint to valve otherwise they will use it for phones first instead of local fingers print.

Also there isn't anything unique in degtal world , wvry hacker can submit fake finger print.

you can't fake fingerprints if there constantly asking for new ones at random times

Just re-simput again , script exited , manipulate other software and files, hardware existed.

[Satoru]

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Messaggio originale di Satoru:

Because biometrics only are useful as a whitelist technology. Not as a blacklist technology.

Can you explain how biometrics could work if you could control the program?

Again biometrics are only useful as whitelists. Which is why they are only useful for "are you who you say you are"

Blacklists are "keep this thing out". which is fine if the 'thing' you want to keep out is unique, non-forgable, and non-changable. This works on steam because your steamID is unique, cannot be forged and cannot be changed. Meaning if I detect SteamID X then that keeps SteamID X out of the system. You cannot use biometrics this way. I mean jsut htink of the most obvious issues. You scan a face and say 'ban this face'. Ok that's fine. Up until they put on glasses. Or put on facial hair. Or just put on litereally any fake facial features. I can defeat my own FaceID by just puffing my cheeks. That's it. If you're using FaceID as a blacklist, then I literally just defeated the blacklist by puffing my cheeks. Which is again why biometrics are NOT used as blacklists.

Fingerprints can be easily defeated with silicone and just randomly smashing it up in areas. If you have a fingerprint blacklist, I can easily get around it with 10 minutes of arts and crafts

There is again, a reason why biometrics are not used for blacklists. Its because it is utterly trivial to bypass a biometric blacklist. Which is why they are used in whitelists only.

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Messaggio originale di Satoru:

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Can you explain how biometrics could work if you could control the program?

Again biometrics are only useful as whitelists. Which is why they are only useful for "are you who you say you are"

Blacklists are "keep this thing out". which is fine if the 'thing' you want to keep out is unique, non-forgable, and non-changable. This works on steam because your steamID is unique, cannot be forged and cannot be changed. Meaning if I detect SteamID X then that keeps SteamID X out of the system. You cannot use biometrics this way. I mean jsut htink of the most obvious issues. You scan a face and say 'ban this face'. Ok that's fine. Up until they put on glasses. Or put on facial hair. Or just put on litereally any fake facial features. I can defeat my own FaceID by just puffing my cheeks. That's it. If you're using FaceID as a blacklist, then I literally just defeated the blacklist by puffing my cheeks. Which is again why biometrics are NOT used as blacklists.

Fingerprints can be easily defeated with silicone and just randomly smashing it up in areas. If you have a fingerprint blacklist, I can easily get around it with 10 minutes of arts and crafts

There is again, a reason why biometrics are not used for blacklists. Its because it is utterly trivial to bypass a biometric blacklist. Which is why they are used in whitelists only.

I would have a whitelist only MM that has manual admin control on top of automation.

[Gwarsbane]

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Messaggio originale di '"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"':

Bro u never heard of finger print scanner? Windows hello.

Actually ppl don't want send their fingerprint to valve otherwise they will use it for phones first instead of local fingers print.

Also there isn't anything unique in degtal world , wvry hacker can submit fake finger print.

you can't fake fingerprints if there constantly asking for new ones at random times

Never seen the mythbusters before have you....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sphAJFj9qA

Yes they took 3 days to come up with something, but all that knowledge is out there and you would be surprised at what people will do/pay to cheat in a game to make themselves feel better or just to tick off other people for a laugh.


Also you have 10 fingers and 10 toes to provide different "finger prints", plus there are other parts of your hands and feet with ridges that you can use. So that means at least 20+ tries at cheating and thats if you don't pull any of the mythbuster stuff and just download a finger print images off the internet.

[[?]legit]

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Messaggio originale di ?legit:

Such sensible data should never be required for gaming. The only solution is to get a modern console, like a playstation 5. You will not find any cheaters there. Even with bimetrics, people will find a way to trick the system (i.e. buying fake biometrics). Maybe Valve could invest more money into anti cheat by introducing a paid subscription for secure online gaming, so something like playstation plus.

...except that the glorious PC Gaming Master Race will never sink to having to pay for multiplayer like an unwashed console peasant! XD

I don't mind paying for a solid online service.

[[?]legit]

Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Messaggio originale di ?legit:

Such sensible data should never be required for gaming. The only solution is to get a modern console, like a playstation 5. You will not find any cheaters there. Even with bimetrics, people will find a way to trick the system (i.e. buying fake biometrics). Maybe Valve could invest more money into anti cheat by introducing a paid subscription for secure online gaming, so something like playstation plus.

There are plenty of cheaters on consoles as well.

:winterbunny2023:

This is not true. There are no wallhacks or aimbots on the ps5 and ps4.

[[N]ebsun]

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

PS5 isn't cheater free either, though.

Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

There are plenty of cheaters on consoles as well.

There are zero cheaters on ps4 and ps5 - it's literally impossible